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A Bugged Game

By Annalee Newitz, AlterNet. Posted October 4, 2005.


Do videogame companies have the right to search your hard drive to prevent you from cheating? Apparently Blizzard thinks it does.

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Let me wow you with one of those naïve platitudes that everybody knows but nobody believes: Games should be fun. I was reminded again of the reality behind this idealistic notion while contemplating the fact that my video games are spying on me. And it's all because people were playing too enthusiastically.

It started with Blizzard Games. That's the company whose popular titles World of Warcraft, Starcraft, and Diablo have attracted 1.5 million subscribers to its online gameplay service, Battle.net. While most people just log on to Battle.net to slay a few aliens or whatever, Blizzard has estimated that hundreds of thousands of its subscribers are earning points using naughty programs called "cheats." The company terminated the accounts of more than 400,000 people for cheating in 2003 alone, and earlier this year it shut down thousands more.

So what's the big deal about cheats? As you slash and strategize your way through most Blizzard games, maps are revealed that help you set up defenses and locate enemies. For the past few years, enterprising game fans have been hacking cheats that do things like reveal the whole map before you've "earned" it. Other hacks kick competitors out of the game, or make certain players extra-powerful. Battle.net's message boards overflow with disgruntled comments from people who've uncovered new cheats and want them to stop. And there's no denying it sucks to play against someone who can see things that are supposed to be invisible.

But that suckiness doesn't justify Blizzard's latest technique for weeding out cheaters. According to the World of Warcraft terms of service, when you install the latest version of the game, an anticheat program called Warden snoops through your entire computer looking for "unauthorized third-party programs" that allow users to "hack" or "modify" the online game environment or "cheating of any kind." Warden then "communicates the information" it finds back to Blizzard. This "communication" process is described in alarmingly capacious terms that make it clear Blizzard has the option of examining your PC's hard drive anytime it wants.

Whoa. That's taking the anticheating spirit a little too far. I can see booting people out of the game if they're repeat cheaters, particularly if they're flushing other players off the servers and ruining the experience for paying customers. But snooping through the computers of innocent gamers looking for the bad apples who have installed a map hack? Give me a break.

The thing that really pisses me off is that this is all being done in the name of having fun and playing games. I'm supposed to give up my Fourth Amendment rights in order to ax a bunch of warriors controlled by teenagers in Milwaukee? No thanks. I'd rather go back to playing Dungeons and Dragons, where at least I could roll the dice without the DM reading all my fucking e-mail. Breaking the rules isn't nice, but this is a game, people -- a game! It's not a matter of national security; nobody is going to get killed except the stupid video game avatars. Do you realize the government would have to have a warrant to get the kind of information Blizzard claims it has the right to suck out of your computer to stop cheaters? Doesn't that seem a wee bit wrong?

In a normal world, a sane world, people would be boycotting Blizzard for having the nerve to look through their kids' hard drives. They'd stop playing Blizzard games online and stick to LAN parties, where a bunch of people network their computers together for a group game that circumvents the Internet.

I think fans are still flocking to Battle.net for two basic reasons. One, most probably don't realize Warden is spying on them (it's hard to blame them for not reading all the way through the stultifying terms-of-use page). And two, they've convinced themselves that surveillance is normal. Sure, games are supposed to be entertainment, but in reality they're just compressed, contained reflections of our everyday lives. It should be no surprise that, in an era when Americans submit to having their bags searched on the subway to get to work, they are willing to let corporations riffle through the entire contents of their personal computers so they can have a little fun.

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Annalee Newitz is a surly media nerd who wouldn't mind being spied on by Blizzard if it meant the techs had to hide in a dumbwaiter outside her bedroom and write down what she was doing in a spiral-bound notebook.

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Big Brother
Posted by: LPB on Oct 4, 2005 1:40 PM   
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Now Big Brother is peeking at us through our computer monitors. I predict legislation to shut down sites like AlterNet if things continue the way they are going right now.

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Sieg Heil to Profits Uber Alles!
Posted by: SFRosalyne on Oct 4, 2005 3:37 PM   
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Since BigBiz and their lapdogs-in-crime, the GOP (Genocide Or Profit), want people to think corporations and the like are people, then perhaps it is time for this nation to seriously consider Constitutional amendments necessary to bring commerce under the umbrella of being punished for wrongdoing just like the common Joe or Jane.

What the !#@$% gives them the right to do things we don't allow our own government to do - like spying without warrants issued by a court of law? I don't know about the rest of you, but I pledged allegiance to the United States of America, and swore a solemn oath to protect our honored Constitution from all threats, foreign or domestic. I did not pledge allegience or swear to protect and defend corporations and their profits. There is a HUGE difference.

Gamers: WOW and other online games are made by a corporation, and corporations are not loyal to our Constitution or to their 'fans', but to profiteering and ONLY profiteering. If they were loyal Americans, they would not have incorporated but would have gladly paid their fair share of the taxes necessary to sustain this nation and its people. The very act of for-profit business incorporation is to evade taxes - a criminal act in any cicilization on this planet. What gives these people the right to evade taxes most of us don't?

Act like Americans and either force them to behave like Americans or cut off the one thing that matters most to the greedy business: their effin' Almighty Dollar! Corporations have been using their profits to rig the marketplace and the counrty's laws to their needs - we can do the same with our dollars too!

Always remember, you CAN survive without Blizzard Games, but Blizzard Games cannot survive without you! Resistance is not as futile as corporations and their apologists would have you believe!

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Wow, break out the tilfoil hats...
Posted by: LostInDaJungle on Oct 4, 2005 5:26 PM   
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I can whole heartedly agree with Analee's point that we have become used to the surveillance in our society, and it reflects in the needs of Software developers sometimes. I'm sure a bunch of guys were sitting around their big oval table and saying, "How can we stop this cheating?"

Some geek says, well, hey, lets search their HDD's for cheat software, that's easy enough to do. Good job, enjoy your promotion.

I doubt that they were rubbing their hands together all Snidley Whiplash like and plotting to blackmail you for some dirty emails you typed to hot_boy@aol.com.

(Actually, the whole shebang could be done in about 20 lines of code using the Win Indexer service. "SELECT * FROM FILEINFO")

This just shows that we've become desensitized enough that Blizzard probably doesn't think it's a big deal either. The question yet to be answered by the folks who play those games is will there be any public backlash to discourage Blizzard and the next company who thinks it's no big deal.

This could be compared to the "Pat Down" that every fan attending a football game now recieves... And alot of Americans are apparently OK with that.

Alot of people don't want to take responsability for taking care of themselves, and seem pretty willing to let mommy government do whatever it wants to so long as they don't actually have to grow up. Blizzard is simply a product of their environment.

Besides, if you're playing on Windows XP, you've already ceded a large chunk of your privacy to Microsoft. Probably alot more than Blizzard will have. Most buisnesses are not supposed to ask for your SSN, but most all of them do just to cash a check. Where's the outcry??

IMHO, when parents across the country got so freaked by drugs and Columbine that they authorized the pigs to search every bookbag and locker in every school whenever... The battle was lost. Today's kids are used to the notion that an anonymous authority can search you and your belongings whenever they want, and have had that message reinforced by their parents.

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Online gamers want these programs.
Posted by: E-from-PHIOM on Oct 4, 2005 8:26 PM   
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Being an online gamer myself (my game is Counterstrike, not a Blizzard title, but with similar scanning software) I can attest to Blizzard's motives for the mandatory hard-drive scanning as something supported by most other gamers.

For someone really into the world of online games, playing against a cheater can be a source of serious frustration. Some of these matches are for money, or to advance the stats of teams, called "crews", that could eventually compete in cash games.

To all the gamers I know, cheating is a big deal, and we gladly allow our computers to be scanned because it makes gameplay smoother for all of us. Even on mods like Counterstrike, where a scan is optional, most people who create and run the servers one can play on will not allow players who do not submit to scans. This is peer requested scanning I am describing.

The whole idea of scanning really isn't as sinister as this article makes it out to be. It is a case of, if you don't like it, don't play.

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» RE: Online gamers want these programs. Posted by: liberalibrarian
Wait, hold on a sec...
Posted by: Dekard on Oct 4, 2005 11:12 PM   
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I am an avid World of Warcraft player, devoting perhaps 10-15 hours a week to the game. For me, and for most players, its a wonderful way to unwind at the end of a work day, no different from reading or sitting down and watching TV. For some who have the time, it is perhaps more then just a passing hobby, but such is the nature of the game.

Whatever my reasons are for playing, I have the choice to pay my 15 bucks a month, or to NOT pay my 15 bucks a month. While I dislike the notion that some corporation may be scanning my computer for cheats and hacks, them's the rules if I want to partake in WoW. Plain and simple, Blizzard defines the rules in its EULA, and if you do not wish to partake in its game, that is your choice, and your choice alone. While EULAs are non-binding legally, they do outline what one can expect from usage of the software.

For those who know little of the online gaming world, let me fill in holes as to why Blizzard puts in such scans. There is a multi-million dollar industry in selling in-game currency and items, as well as pay-for-character advancement and the like. Often times, those that engage in this are utilizing hacks and cheats that harm the greater player base. Blizzard has a stake in ensuring that its product is safe, and that the player base is well shielded from such adverse actions. As I said, I don't like the precautions, but not enough to stop playing the game.

As to the implications of such actions, however, I do care a great deal. It is no secret that the next generation of home game consoles are required to have a constant broadband connection to the internet, and several high-profile PC titles have as well employed relatively draconian measures in an effort to stop cheating and piracy. If the same scanning technology used to search for cheats and hacks bends into scanning technology to help better demographic targeting for Madison Ave., then you will see a far greater outcry then what you may hope for from the WoW community at this time.

As it is now, the intrusion is a minor price to pay to play such a magnificant game. Those that have a major issue with it can choose not to play, as apparently the article's author chose to do.

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» RE: Wait, hold on a sec... Posted by: Krotos
Steam system is better
Posted by: Allison on Oct 5, 2005 4:50 AM   
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"Valve Anti-Cheat" on Steam (for Half-Life multiplayer, Day of Defeat and Counter Strike) seems to have pretty much axed cheating in my game of choice, Counter Strike. I haven't seen a wall or speed hacker in ages, and the only perfect aim seems to be based on damnable 14 year old reflexes, not aim-bots... A spyware program to troll my hard drive for cheat exe's seems like intrusive overkill.

What are the chances that this thing might be looking for cracked, pirated Blizzard software as well?

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the anti-popularity contest
Posted by: lamar on Oct 5, 2005 8:14 AM   
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Here's where I win the anti-popularity contest: Go outside for a change.
If people didn't conflate online games with real life experiences, the spying would be an unacceptable intrusion. People are so addicted to the game that they confuse game security with real world security. They'll give access to the private information on their hard drives so that their avatar might live....
If they boycott Blizzard, they boycott a large part of their lives. I, for one, have more sympathy for the fly I just squashed-- outside.

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» RE: the anti-popularity contest Posted by: kittynboi
» RE: the anti-popularity contest Posted by: kittynboi
These rules stop some who would play...
Posted by: cstriker on Oct 5, 2005 11:53 AM   
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...like me. I have confidential work related stuff on my computer and can't take the risk on that information being compromised. So I can't play the game even if I wanted to. I am certain there are other solutions to the problem. Something that does not include excluding people like me.

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» Possible workarounds Posted by: nickptar
» RE: Possible workarounds Posted by: cstriker
Warrant? We don't need no steenking warrant
Posted by: scottbieser on Oct 6, 2005 10:17 AM   
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Great article. I wonder if Blizzard's spyware stops at the machine playing the game? Could it also infiltrate other machines on the same LAN? This could be a great way to spy on competitors.

By the way, under the Patriot Act, the government no longer needs a real warrant to either spy on your computer through the 'Net or even break into your house to copy the contents of your hard-drive. Theoretically they're suppsoed to notify you 90 days afterwards, but if they don't, who's going to know?

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But Unlike the government snooping on you, you don't have to buy the game.
Posted by: Byrodude on Oct 6, 2005 4:43 PM   
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I am a gamer. I have played Warcraft 3 and Diablo 2 and World of Warcraft. Cheaters ruin the experience. For me at least. I believe that if they want to scan my computer to look for hacks, that's fine. And I would say most of the gamers I know would say the same thing. You willingly parrticipate in a game that has rules. It is in the terms of service. If you don't want to obey the terms of service, you can either A) not play online or B) not play the game at all. That simple. And being the author and creator of the game and experience, Blizzard has that right.

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Is it prejudice, or maybe you just don't like criticism. Big diff...
Posted by: lamar on Oct 7, 2005 7:43 AM   
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My comments sound like prejudice? Or are they critical of people who need to be criticized? Have you seen America's weight problem?
And before you go calling people right wingers who hate hippies and engineers, you should think, maybe just maybe, the guy has a point. And yes, I have long hair and I do math for a living. But now that you have described me in a most unfavorable light (is it my fault I have the skin of a 15 year old?), I am left to ponder: if you say that you are the exception rather than the rule, why are you going on record with your silly prejudice theory? In my experience, when there is a more reasonable explanation for something, there's no reason to stretch your own credibility to cry prejudice.

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Factual errors in the article
Posted by: bluegull on Oct 7, 2005 9:26 AM   
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I showed the article to my son, an intensly serious gamer (he's going to school hoping to become a game animation artist). His reactions (edited since it wouldn't fit here):
"As you slash and strategize your way through most Blizzard games, maps are revealed ... enterprising game fans have been hacking cheats that do things like reveal the whole map before you've "earned" it."

The game that seeds this software, World of Warcraft, does not have a 'fog of war' map system as is being referred to here. Next:

"I can see booting people out of the game if they're repeat cheaters, particularly if they're flushing other players off the servers and ruining the experience for paying customers."

Sure you can. Problem is, you can't 'flush other players from the server' in WoW. This MUST be the game the author is referring to, since it is the only Blizzard game which you can be a 'paying customer' for.

"But snooping through the computers of innocent gamers looking for the bad apples who have installed a map hack?"

Again with the maps. There is no map.
...
"Do you realize the government would have to have a warrant to get the kind of information Blizzard claims it has the right to suck out of your computer to stop cheaters? Doesn't that seem a wee bit wrong?"

Wrong again. Enter the USAPATRIOT act.

"I think fans are still flocking to Battle.net for two basic reasons. One, most probably don't realize Warden is spying on them (it's hard to blame them for not reading all the way through the stultifying terms-of-use page)."

WoW isn't battle.net. WoW is NOT battle.net. WoW IS NOT BATTLE DOT GODDAMN NET.

"Sure, games are supposed to be entertainment, but in reality they're just compressed, contained reflections of our everyday lives."

This is true. I make it a point to carry a crowbar wherever I go, just in case I need to fight the Combine. I also know kung-fu.
...
I do like the footnote, though. That's the best scene I've imagined all day.

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» RE: Poorly Researched Posted by: Techubus
Thanks for the comments
Posted by: MegOnTheMountain on Oct 7, 2005 5:33 PM   
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Thanks to everyone for your comments. My son has been playing StarCraft for a little while now on Battle.net and has been asking for WOW. I am not a gamer and know very little about the whole on-line gaming thing. When I first saw this article I just about had a cow. And my son was extremely bummed out.

But now, after reading these comments (especially from you gaming "nerds" - All Hail the Nerds! - and I mean that with the utmost respect) I've calmed down a bit. Am I to understand this scanning software is only installed with WOW III? Also, does this scanning take place across the wireless LAN I've set up at home between my 3 computers? Thanx again for any other helpful tips for us nervous mommas out there.

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» RE: To answer your questions Posted by: Techubus
Spying in your Home
Posted by: Ashington on Oct 9, 2005 12:51 AM   
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Yes, the government would need a warrant, but unfortunately, they no longer need one thanks to sealed courts, and if anyone tells you that they saw the government, they can be arrested as well.

As for the statment that "that fear has allowed fascism into our daily lives" or in so many words, it is true. I personally believe that Federalism was never meant to do so much for our populace, or to deal with such a large emprie that we have built. The government is only meant to accomplish what the individual cannot. The growth of the Corporations shows a failure in our part, that the individual failed to fight these semi governing institutions, and than gave them more rights than the average citizen has. They are allowed to sue directly the government while we , the actually beneficary..or so were told..of the social contract are not.

That blizzard would do such a thing, is pathetic. They are not Americans in my eyes. Sure, the companies are there for profit, and battle net is one of thier shining cash cows, so naturally they want to protect it. apologists would only say that the "players want it" but, just because someone wants it, doesnt mean they should be given it. Corporations are operated by human beings, and as such should not be given apologies that it is business as normal.

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» RE: Spying in your Home Posted by: Jnutter
» RE: Spying in your Home Posted by: Unbathed
Limited Spying
Posted by: Jnutter on Oct 9, 2005 12:24 PM   
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The real question we should all be asking (and was probably asked at some point by Blizzard's legal advisors as well) is exactly what information is being sent BACK to Blizzard after the scan is complete.

I don't have the answer to this question but as both a former programmer and an avid gamer I think I have a pretty good idea.

It is insane to think that this scanning software is actually making a duplicate of all the information on your computer then sending that information back to Blizzard for it to be analyzed there. Why is this insane? Simple logistics... if the scanning software was sending a report of the ENTIRE CONTENTS of your hard drive back to Blizzard it would take some people several hours to log on to battle.net.

What is MUCH more likely is that Blizzard leaves all the analyzing up to the scanning software. Yes, this software does "take a look" at the entire contents of your hard drive but it does so with the single-minded purpose of finding very specific programs (the hacks and cheats). As a computer program that is designed to look specifically for one thing and one thing only it is truely blind to everything else. The program will not be able to tell the difference between your secret corporate documents and your vacation pictures. In fact, this program is probably capable of making only one distinction between all the mountains of data out there: is a hack, and is not a hack.

This scanning software is NOT sending Blizzard a list of your likes and dislikes or even a list of the file contents of your hard drive. It is simply sending Blizzard a "Yes/No" as to whether it found the very specific pieces of software it was created to search for.

Cont ...

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» RE: Limited Spying Posted by: Jnutter
» RE: Limited Spying Posted by: nickptar
No Concept of Freedom
Posted by: dancerkc on Oct 11, 2005 7:25 PM   
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This is how we lose our freedoms. What alarms me is the casual, and the accepting - even promotional - attitude so many of you have to the idea that these intrusions are fine. You think the author is too alarmed.

Well, too many of the Jewish population of Nazi Germany thought so for too long. So did too many of the population in general of Germany and of the rest of Europe. If you don't see it now you will be blinded by this when it is too large to stop or to get away from.

I'm not surprised that we are losing what we used to think was our country. Calling each intrusion not so bad is where you lose our freedoms for all of us.

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» RE: No Concept of Freedom Posted by: subacultcha
No Concept TWO - The SS is here
Posted by: dancerkc on Oct 11, 2005 7:42 PM   
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Well, just after I posted the "No Concept ..." article I was directed to this one about a high school student in a civics class on freedom on speech being pulled in, with teacher, by the SS (secret service) for a class poster on with a thumbs-down hand image over George Bush because a Wal-Mart employee saw the poster who turned him in (the student ran the poster through their photo lab).

URL: http://www.alternet.org/walmart/26503/

You need to get alarmed. You need to be alarmed. You need to get your heads out of your game addiction and enter the world.

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Just The Begining
Posted by: JeffVincent on Oct 13, 2005 8:48 AM   
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I can understand the gaming industry's motives for making sure that the playing field is level, as it were, and gamers that endorse such policies do so and reap the rewards. Now lets check back with a bigger picture. Is this a progressive step in our culture that, "I am ok with giving up part of my rights to privacy to gain X"? Has the post 911 world made us so afraid that we are willing to imprison ourselves in rules and regulations all so we may feel secure? Whether it is physical body checks to gain admission on an airplane, have all your belongings searched to board a train, or have your hard drive searched to gain admission to online gaming. Is having our rights to privacy infringed worth making ourselves feel better or more secure about what ever we are doing?
What happens when the purpose of searching someone's hard drive, or purse at the subway station doesn't turn up what they were originally looking for but instead they find illegal porn or a joint in your purse? You have already allowed them to abridge your rights for one purpose. Isn't it a small step for them to report you to the authorities, (moral imperative) if they find something potientially illegal?
Yes, thems the rules and we must obey the rules but remember, some animals are more equal than other animals.
Becareful of what you ask for.
Jeff

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» RE: Just The Begining Posted by: Unbathed
» RE: Just The Begining Posted by: Jenjen
You Forgot "Consent"
Posted by: Unbathed on Oct 14, 2005 7:11 PM   
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The government would need a warrant to search your hard drive without your consent. Most participants in serious competitions consent to intrusive inspections. Blizzard is not asking for blood or urine specimens. It is trivial to avoid disclosing anything private to Blizzard: use a dedicated machine.

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It doesn't scan your harddrive
Posted by: Mai-Kero on Oct 14, 2005 11:49 PM   
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It scans currently running processes for the specific ones it deems a threat. If it finds one, it reports that it was present(via checksum) if it doesn't, it reports nothing. it's impossible for blizzard to glean any sort of personal information, since the checking is done via checksum.

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» RE: It doesn't scan your harddrive Posted by: subacultcha
It doesn't matter if this is battle.net, WoW...
Posted by: Kickstart70 on Oct 15, 2005 9:47 AM   
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...or something else in their product line. I can't accept the idea that I should buy any product from a company that supports this kind of thing. I sit down at the game to de-stress, not to have to wrry about how the company who made the game is screwing me over.

So, I've already written Blizzard and told them I will no longer be buying their games. It's not worth the potential problems. This is a shame since I've really enjoyed their products in the past...just not enjoyed them enough to put up with this shit.

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A Computer is Not a Person
Posted by: ShaneW on Oct 15, 2005 1:05 PM   
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Quote:
Do you realize the government would have to have a warrant to get the kind of information Blizzard claims it has the right to suck out of your computer to stop cheaters? Doesn't that seem a wee bit wrong?

You made a huge leap here. The government needs a warrant to investigate a person's life. WoW is not investigating a person- it is investigating a computer environment. It doesn't know who you are as a person and it doesn't want to know.

Does it bother you that WoW "snoops your computer to find out what kind of graphics card you have" when you install the game? Where does the program get off, finding out what kind of graphics card you have installed?! How dare it search through your personal things like that?! Seriously though, the program needs to know what hardware is installed. It's not judging you personally. It's not linking a name to the hardware. It just wants to know the hardware.

Similarly, it is only taking a quick inventory of what programs are running in memory. If WoWcheat.exe is running, then it wants to know that. It needs to know if any external programs are hacking its memory space. It's not like it's going to search your hard drive for porn and then tattle that back to Blizzard.

If it detects that an account is cheating, that account will be closed, but they STILL don't necessarily know who you are. If it freaks you out that Blizzard might know who you are, buy the game with cash, lie about your IRL name when you sign up, and pay for your monthly subscription with a game card you also paid for in cash.

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Listen up you paranoid assumers!
Posted by: Liyo on Oct 15, 2005 9:05 PM   
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I work a 40 hour full time job.
I play wow maybe 1-2 hour a day.
I GO OUT (yeah that's right, OUTSIDE) my apartment on the weekends.

They only scan for specific program allowing you to cheat! If you don't believe me would you like me to post a result of a packet scan of my network during WOW playtime?

Beside you read EULAs before you use the software don't you?
It's plain simple stupid to assume that they all say the same thing.
You read it, you use it, you're agreeing to it.

Now, would you stop telling me to go outside? Since I just came from there after 4 hours of "hanging out" with my buddies (who doens't play WOW).

STOP ASSUMING. Just because your paranoid doesn't make you right.

Still can't believe me? Well do! I went to college for a "Computer Major" I know what I'm talking about.
As posted by some one before. If it where to scan everything on your computer and send the information back, your talking about ALOT of information. Enough to make me shutdown my computer while waiting for WOW to login, and find something else to do...OUTSIDE.

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Gamer != fascism supporter
Posted by: Webimpulse on Oct 15, 2005 9:59 PM   
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And yet again, gamers are villified, this time by people saying that being a gamer is anathema to standing up for freedom, rights, and privacy.

These people are assuming that just because WoW players are consenting to these anti-cheat scans, that they suddenly would be willing to give up any and all of their freedoms to have every second of their everyday existence logged and tracked, and void every bit of their privacy just to confirm themselves as "non-terrorists." They let Warden look on their computers for cheats and suddenly non-gamers here assume they would accept, if not author, USAPATRIOT Act XVII or thereabouts

I personally loathe and despise the Patriot Act for the powers of privacy invasion it grants the government, and how it has been used rather openly and blatantly to detain upwards of hundreds of Arab Americans on suspicion of terrorism by the powers it grants. Blank warrants and such ridiculous measures such as searches for something as mundane as riding the subway are things that I oppose to the utmost.

Yet my playing of WoW, because of this recently revealed Warden, suddenly turns me into an anti-privacy pro-government fascism advocate who not only permits but demands wrongful search and detainment?

For the record, I consider the two issues, of broader piracy invasion such as the Patriot Act, and of other privacy issues such as Warden, to be separate. Just because I let Blizzard do its scans doesn't suddenly mean I'm going to start using a flag to smother and choke civil liberties. Blizzard isn't a federal government using taxpayer money and murderers' high tech toys to bomb and starve entire nations' worth of innocent people.

And in conclusion, if anyone's even remotely interested, here's Blizzard's official response to the Warden debate.

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Ethical concerns I can understand, but...
Posted by: Jenjen on Oct 25, 2005 9:31 AM   
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Playing a game is a luxury. If you don't want companies looking in on your computer and exercising the free access that Windows gives them to your other processes and your hard drive, then simply don't install the software.

Say you buy a puppy. The person selling it to you asks to sign a contract which states that they will send their boy Timmy to check up on the dog once a week and make sure you don't have anything in the house that could hurt the dog. He won't tell the prior owner anything other than whether the puppy is safe or not, much like Blizzard doesn't get any info other than "maybe a cheater" or "not a cheater". You skim over it quickly and sign. Yay, a new puppy!

Next week Timmy knocks on the door and asks to take a look around. "WTF," you say? "That's a violation of privacy!" Unfortunately, you signed it away when you bought the dog. Privacy is not inalienable. The only things you legally can't sign away are your life and your freedom. Everything else is fair game in America.

If you want to say that computer scanning is bad and wrong and shouldn't be done, maybe individual companies protecting their intellectual property isn't the proper place to make the change. Our constitution will have to be changed to recognize privacy as a right that you cannot sign away in a contract, which ironically would be nothing more than a limit to our freedoms.

Oh, and if anyone can think of a better solution than a click-through contract for a license agreement, I'd love to hear it. It's not as if contracts for most software aren't available for review on the internet before purchase.

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Get a Grip
Posted by: masher on Oct 26, 2005 7:40 AM   
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With all due respect, the above poster is correct, and the rest of you are a bunch of idiots. You need to learn to distinguish between private enterprise and government...and between fre choice and mandatory compliance.

"Big Brother" is the government, and its monitoring is mandatory and enforced by law. If you don't want to have your task list "monitored" by WoW, don't play the game. Simple.

You also forget that freedom extends not only to whiny system-administrators posting to web forums, but to business owners as well. Owners of online games, who have a perfect right to require their customers to adhere to certain standards in order to use their products.

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A baseless article
Posted by: AddictedWowGamer on Nov 4, 2005 9:55 PM   
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The author is wrong on so many points. She is basing her whole opinion on a poor interpretation of what the "spying" software is capable of. As many above have pointed out already, it does not scan your hard drive. Why would Blizzard even care to?

Sure, it is possible that software can be written to do what the author is describing, but that is not what THIS software does. She has every right to be alarmed, nay! afraid of software that does this. And I bet it exists on her computer right this very moment. Its called a trojan horse download virus. And you can get it simply by visiting a malicious website. No other action need be taken by you. And the people that are receiving these files from your computer are not so benign as a software company that only has the best interest in its own intellectual property. Oh, and also to keep its player base happy so they keep shelling out the money.

In the end, all that "spying" boils down to is good old greed. Ahh, America!

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laobao
Posted by: laobao on Sep 5, 2006 2:54 AM   
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Blizzard are liars.

"Bans are rare." Says Blizzard.

This year alone over 60,000 players have had their accounts banned and their money stolen.

Who are being banned?

Perhaps it is the people who don't speak English, are far away from California courts, and do not know their rights. Ahh, these make perfect marks to steal their money and reduce the serious lag on the servers.

Blizzard says their spy program is only there to find the cheaters.

Right, if you believe this, I got a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you.

Blizzard are liars.

I know this first hand.

Blizzard are arrogant bastard liars.

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