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Don't Blame Newsweek

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted May 17, 2005.


The story about Americans abusing the Koran in order to enrage prisoners has been out there for quite some time.
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As Riley used to say on an ancient television sitcom, "This is a revoltin' development." There seems to be a bit of a campaign on the right to blame Newsweek for the anti-American riots in Afghanistan, Pakistan and other Islamic countries.

Uh, people, I hate to tell you this, but the story about Americans abusing the Koran in order to enrage prisoners has been out there for quite some time. The first mention I found of it is March 17, 2004, when the Independent of London interviewed the first British citizen released from Guantanamo Bay. The prisoner said he had been physically beaten but did not consider that as bad as the psychological torture, which he described extensively. Jamal al-Harith, a computer programmer from Manchester, said 70 percent of the inmates had gone on a hunger strike after a guard kicked a copy of the Koran. The strike was ended by force-feeding.

Then came the report, widely covered in American media last December, by the International Red Cross concerning torture at Gitmo. I wrote at the time: "In the name of Jesus Christ Almighty, why are people representing our government, paid by us, writing filth on the Korans of helpless prisoners? Is this American? Is this Christian? What are our moral values? Where are the clergymen on this? Speak up, speak out."

The reports kept coming: Dec. 30, 2004, "Released Moroccan Guantanamo Detainee Tells Islamist Paper of His Ordeal," reported the Financial Times. "They watched you each time you went to the toilet; the American soldiers used to tear up copies of Koran and throw them in the toilet. ... " said the released prisoner.

On Jan. 9, 2005, Andrew Sullivan, writing in The Sunday Times of London, said: "We now know a great deal about what has gone on in U.S. detention facilities under the Bush administration. Several government and Red Cross reports detail the way many detainees have been treated. We know for certain that the United States has tortured five inmates to death. We know that 23 others have died in U.S. custody under suspicious circumstances. We know that torture has been practiced by almost every branch of the U.S. military in sites all over the world -- from Abu Ghraib to Tikrit, Mosul, Basra, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay.

"We know that no incidents of abuse have been reported in regular internment facilities and that hundreds have occurred in prisons geared to getting intelligence. We know that thousands of men, women and children were grabbed almost at random from their homes in Baghdad, taken to Saddam's former torture palace and subjected to abuse, murder, beatings, semi-crucifixions and rape.

"All of this is detailed in the official reports. What has been perpetrated in secret prisons to 'ghost detainees' hidden from Red Cross inspection, we do not know. We may never know.

"This is America? While White House lawyers were arguing about what separates torture from legitimate 'coercive interrogation techniques,' the following was taking place: Prisoners were hanged for hours or days from bars or doors in semi-crucifixions; they were repeatedly beaten unconscious, woken and then beaten again for days on end; they were sodomized; they were urinated on, kicked in the head, had their ribs broken, and were subjected to electric shocks.

"Some Muslims had pork or alcohol forced down their throats; they had tape placed over their mouths for reciting the Koran; many Muslims were forced to be naked in front of each other, members of the opposite sex and sometimes their own families. It was routine for the abuses to be photographed in order to threaten the showing of the humiliating footage to family members."

The New York Times reported on May 1 on the same investigation Newsweek was writing about and interviewed a released Kuwaiti, who spoke of three major hunger strikes, one of them touched off by "guards' handling copies of the Koran, which had been tossed into a pile and stomped on. A senior officer delivered an apology over the camp's loudspeaker system, pledging that such abuses would stop. Interpreters, standing outside each prison block, translated the officer's apology. A former interrogator at Guantanamo, in an interview with the Times, confirmed the accounts of the hunger strikes, including the public expression of regret over the treatment of the Korans."

So where does all this leave us? With a story that is not only true, but previously reported numerous times. So let's drop the "Lynch Newsweek" bull. Seventeen people have died in these riots. They didn't die because of anything Newsweek did -- the riots were caused by what our government has done.

Get your minds around it. Our country is guilty of torture. To quote myself once more: "What are you going to do about this? It's your country, your money, your government. You own this country, you run it, you are the board of directors. They are doing this in your name. The people we elected to public office do what you want them to. Perhaps you should get in touch with them."

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Molly Ivins is a best-selling author and columnist who writes about politics, Texas and other bizarre happenings.

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You Go, Molly!
Posted by: gonzoskismet on May 17, 2005 2:25 PM   
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Only a good Texas woman can put it like you do! Talk about
stating the bloody obvious! But I guess to the already brain dead or brain washed, this must appear to be a shocking development. Just what part of 'Get Out of Our Country!' doesn't the Amerikan government understand?

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how can we get our voices heard?
Posted by: Shakti on May 17, 2005 5:37 PM   
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How? Does Senator Santorum care about my outrage over torture? Does Senator Specter? Surey they know what is going on. I think my congressman (Fattah) is doing his best to stand up to the Republicans. But what are we to do now? March in the streets? Picket the Pentagon?

The People need leadership. We need brave Democrats, like Conyers and Boxer, to suggest that Bush be impeached and Rumsfeld tried for crimes against humanity.

We need Galloway.

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» RE: how can we get our voices heard? Posted by: Iamnotafruittree
P.S.
Posted by: Shakti on May 17, 2005 5:40 PM   
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Molly Ivens writes "the people in public office do what you want them to" .... in the immortal words of Jon Stewart: "Whaaaaa?"

I honestly cannot remember the last time someone in public office did what I wanted them to ... isn't that the problem?

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My take
Posted by: Dimaire on May 18, 2005 4:04 AM   
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You know, Ms. Ivins is dead on accurate as is her norm. It isn't just the torture and abuse though. It is also the lies that got us into Iraq in the first place, the sheer utter nonsense of changing the filibuster rules in regard to judgeships which are lifetime appointments, by the bye.

Frankly, its just this entire adminstration. I personally feel that some should be facing war crimes tribunals. Some should be impeached. And as for the rest of them, well, I vote we send them all to jail. Every single one of them is guilty of at least abuse of power if nothing else.

The insanity of this so-called administration just makes me physically ill.

And don't even get me started with what that so-called man wants to do to social security.

Someone set up a 100 million person protest march on Washington. I'd be there.

Yea, you got it, I'm utterly furious with this administration.

Dimaire

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» RE: My take Posted by: Betitsa
More lies, please
Posted by: tintobrash on May 18, 2005 6:58 AM   
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Lies. Lies, lies ,lies, lie, lies. This world runs on the lies told by our politicians and priests, our parents and peers. Everyone knows this, but no one seems concerned enough to stop it. Only when we start to call people on their bullshit will this planet even begin to right itself. A few thousand years of warfare should be enough. It's time to choose, people. Do you want a couple more centuries of easy-to-swallow lies, or is it finally time for the impossible-to-swallow truth? It's your call.

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Utter admiration...
Posted by: Meta4Life on May 18, 2005 9:14 AM   
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Oh God, Molly! I so want to be like you when I grow up! :)

Your words need to be said, repeated, and said again until it sinks through the infotainment-saturated grey matter of the mainstream American public. Why the mainstream American media isn't frothing at the mouth over this is beyond me. Are they that frightened of their corporate masters? Or is it just cowering unwillingness to rock the boat?

How long do the oppressed have to scream before the oppression stops?

But there can be humor in resistance...

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Under New Ownership?!
Posted by: monkeywrench on May 18, 2005 10:07 AM   
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I love your writing, Molly: you're a cool (and sometimes hot) breeze with the scent of Texas Bluebonnets to cover the stench of the fresh Bushit you often uncover. But I can't agree that we own America any longer, or that we run it. America has been sold to the highest corporate bidders, and its "Mom-'n'-Pop" previous ownership has been closed down due to lack of interest; the Democratic (both party and social system) storefront has been boarded up.

Gawd, I hate to be so cynical; but as a veteran of the Vietnam protests, I am appalled – and frankly, mystified – at the lack of concern, the almost-unbelievable compliance, bordering on catatonia, of the American people to the greatest threat to our way of life in history – our current administration. Are we just going to stand by and watch the American Experiment go down in flames while we fritter away our time by watching fake "reality" television and buying more cheap plastic sh*t made somewhere else?

It wasn't always like this: a MILLION PEOPLE showed up in Washington, DC for Martin Luther King; nationwide protests against the Vietnam War – and a media not afraid to show its brutality – were responsible for bringing that war to an end; Woodward and Bernstein and the Washington Post, along with a population that cared, brought down a crooked president.

We may have temporarily lost the media, and government corruption today rivals the Watergate Era, but the people are still there. The irony in all this is that those people – actually, us – are the same people that took to the streets during Vietnam. It is hard to believe that that social concience has died. Maybe it hasn't. Maybe we just need to wake up. Today, this is the only hope I can muster.

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» RE: Under New Ownership?! Posted by: Lathor
A more horrible and inconvenient truth...
Posted by: Wells on May 18, 2005 12:44 PM   
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It seems to me that the rioting was not that much attributable to the report about the defiling of the Quran. Is this political football just another smoke and mirrors ploy, erected by the Right wing to conceal a more horrible and politically inconvenient truth?

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SILENCE the "liberal" press
Posted by: snickers on May 18, 2005 2:25 PM   
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Pressure on Newsweek by the White House is intended to take the blame off Bush for the mideast's hatred of his policies AND make the press think twice about writing articles critical of our involvement in the Iraq war. The press, according to Karl Rove, is now responsible for deaths in the Arab world! Forget the 100,000 Iraq civilians that the U.S. does not count or keep tract off. Don't think that the conservatives out there were not organizing a "cancel your subscription" and "stop corporate advertising" in leftist media publications. The Bush people have effectively gotten rid of Dan Rather, Bill Moyers, Walter Cronkite, PBS and now they want to turn National Public Radio into a music station!! The new Bush appointed head of PBS, Ken Tomlinson, ended his interview on O'Reilley with, " We love your show, Bill." Democrats better organize and retake this country sooner than later.

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Molly Ivins for President
Posted by: bookwoman on May 18, 2005 2:53 PM   
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Molly: I have loved your writing for years. You can be so funny; however, when you write serious pieces you are so truthful, it hurts. I didn't vote for "W" and his boys. I disliked him from the first time I heard him in 2000; he lost me at "hello" I guess.

At any rate, we are stuck with these people for between two to four years. I don't know that the Dems would be any better, but they couldn't be any worse. This is the gang which can't shoot straight, and they persist with their "throw it against the wall and see if it sticks" process of trial and error. I am a cradle Republican of 65 years; I know Republicans, and these people are not Republicans. I keep remembering the woman who was interviewed at the Convention who said she disagreed with a lot of what the President believed but she had to back him. I wonder how she feels now.

I keep wondering if the members of the Administration watched too many episodes of "Happy Days" and really loved Fonsie. They seem to be as incapable of admitting error and saying they are sorry as was that character.

I am a Christian and I attend church services at least once a week as well as being very active in the parish. I am so glad you couched your objections from the viewpoint of fellow Christians because I, too, am feeling very angry over the misuse of my faith to promote the stupidity of these people. Our Bible has been burned, torn up and otherwise desecrated many times over the centuries. How dare these people do the same thing to someone else's sacred books.

God Bless you Mollie Ivins. I'll keep watching for and enjoying your commentary.

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Doesn't the press read itself?
Posted by: amike on May 18, 2005 7:37 PM   
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What amazes me is that mainstream media (including Newsweek) treated old news as new news. I would have thought that any decent editor with an attention span longer than his or her ego would have remembered the reportage about which what Molly Ivins wrote. And if they can't remember, they certainly can google. Shame on them for not noting the bogus outrage from that pack of consummate actors in DC. And double shame on them for enjoying Newsweek's discomfort under the attack of the Republican spin machine.

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Rummy
Posted by: lenal on May 18, 2005 8:32 PM   
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Molly, I just copy/pasted link to your column to DOD Secty along with advice, again, he resign - hope he gets a ton of them.

lenal

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DOD link
Posted by: lenal on May 18, 2005 8:44 PM   
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Just in case you'd all like to put an avalanche of comments in the lap of Defense Secty, google department of defense and when home page appears choose "Contact Us" then on ensuing page choose to send "Question/or Comment" - posting link here failed because of length of url hence these instructions.


lenal




lenal

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Mathew 2K
Posted by: mathew2k on May 19, 2005 1:46 AM   
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Ms. Ivins, you have some degree of "clout" with your elected officials. They may listen to you when you call, or read your letters and e-mails. That is NOT the true for the rest of us.

Since the anthrax attacks: THEY NO LONGER ACCEPT U.S. POSTAL SERVICE DELIVERED MAIL. ANY "UNAUTHOPRIZED" POSTAL MAIL SENT TO THE SENATE OR CONGRESS IS INCINERATED.

The House and Senate set a new policy that constituents must send written communication via e-mails only, as of January 1, 2002.

As of December of 2004, U.S. Senators and Representatives can be e-mailed only through a government operated link at online Senate and House web sites. The individual e-mail addresses are gone. Both sites state that ALL e-mails will be "SCREENED FOR OFFENSIVE OR INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT." Yes, I imagine so, such as dissenting voices?

NONE OF THE E-MAILS I'VE SENT via the new web sites HAS RECEIVED A RESPONSE.

My junior Senator always posted at least an automated reply to every letter or e-mail she got. I've had NO reply from her since the new system went up. As for phone calls, try getting through if you're not a celebrity.

MS. IVINS, HOW DO YOU SUGGEST WE CONTACT OUR SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES WHEN THAT HAS BEEN MADE IMPOSSIBLE? Carrier pigeon? Telepathy? Ham radio? Semaphore?

IF YOU THINK THE PEOPLE HAVE ANY VOICE LEFT, YOU SHOULD CHECK YOUR FACTS AND EXAMINE YOURSELF FOR A LOSS OF CONTACT WITH REALITY.

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MORE LEFTIST MEDIA LIES
Posted by: BillLoathingtheMilitaryClinton on May 20, 2005 7:35 AM   
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Liberals lie and then they lie to protect their lies.

Take Bill "Loathing the Military" Clinton, please. So beloved of the Left, every female Democrat should be blessed with a man who treats her like Bill treated Hillary. May all Democrat women have a "husband" who sleeps with "hundreds" of women, as Slick admitted to Monica.

May all Democrat women have a man who treats subordinates as Bubba did, exposing his pathetic five inch erection, and groping them.

May all Democrats have daughters treated as Bill Clinton treated Monica, a woman barely older than his own daughter.

Now the Left started lying long before Walter Duranty, of the New York Times, went to the Soviet Union and proclaimed (~1932) " I have seen the future and it works!"

Oops. He lied. It didn't "work" at all. The Soviet Gulag murdered ~60,000,000 of its own people. But lying Leftists supported and defended it even as Ronald Reagan worked to destroy it from strength. "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this (Berlin) Wall." And it was so.

Jason Blair lied again and again in the New York Times, and was FINALLY fired.

Dan Rather blathered left-wing extremist rhetoric for decades and it FINALLY caught up with him and he resigned in disgrace, lying otherwise to the lying end.

Eason Jordan of CNN lied that American troops "targeted journalists" and resigned in disgrace.

Newsweek gave fodder to the terrorist cannon as Leftists do here every single day, making a lie of "United we Stand."

What fools these Democrats be. They love lies when told by fellow Democrats, and then pretend to be offended when Bush repeats the best information available on WMD - information relentlessly repeated by previous administrations.

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» RE: MORE LEFTIST MEDIA LIES Posted by: profmomak
» RE: MORE LEFTIST MEDIA LIES Posted by: AuRuler
Impeach Bush?
Posted by: patagonianomore on May 20, 2005 7:51 AM   
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Although on paper, impeaching "Dubya" would be good for America but that will leave us with Dick Cheney in command. Which is worse? Dubya or Dick? Now I understand why John Nichols suggested in his book to impeach Cheney first!

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» RE: Impeach Bush? Posted by: patinmex
I know it dates me, but...
Posted by: Sojourner on May 22, 2005 5:45 PM   
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...the "what a revoltin' development this is" came from Jimmy Durante.

But you're right about its application to our behavior in Iraq.

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Magnetic ribbons
Posted by: rockpicker on May 22, 2005 7:38 PM   
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Magnetic Ribbons and the Yellow Cake of Faith

When we start from deluded sleep
at last, and know the dream
for dream, embraced en masse...
When bells that rang victorious
hang mute, their tarnished claims
ignored in disrepute,
and bitter sons, having been all
they could be, can't wish back the hand
or the leg below the knee...

(The brash regime trims reason
from its ranks, its black guard
in the street, protecting flanks.)

Then will we heed the schemers'
gloating leer? "There's no future
for any of you here."
So row on row, with hand
in trembling hand, it's come to this:
we dreamers better stand.


-G. Karl Marcus
12/14/04

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Roving Eye
Posted by: mezzdazzma on May 23, 2005 10:13 AM   
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The feelings of a Muslim like me are not difficult to guess: another round of a disturbing, scary events at the hands of the illusion of the american democracy (for who's to say that popular choice is always right? Democracy, at least at sophisticated levels, is a choice more of the level-headed than those who vouch for "social security", isn't it?)
But i thank God for people like you - and the writer - because i trust the few americans who know a million children and thousands of lives on either side are no price to pay for anything-- and It's certainly not very comforting if it comes from a man who hasn't faced war himself. I'm living, like millions of americans, in hope and fear -- hope of getting the numbers in favor of the better one next election, and fear, that the man who wages two wars while lying to his people in their face...such a man is, God forbid, capable of much, much more.

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just let each nation run itself..into hell if they wish to!
Posted by: patinmex on May 26, 2005 12:22 AM   
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the question that keeps me awake at night: "who died and made the Gringos God????"

just leave the world alone, and stop trying to make us all into gringos..sorry, i dont mean that rudely, but the "USA" has no name, Mexico is also the US, many united states around, and many north americans, but our countries have proper names, so ...it might sound rude, but i cant think of any other name.

just let us get on with our lives, and quit the stupidity..are we to blame for your consumption of petroleum products, drugs,dumping of dangerous products, greenhouse effect etc?
clean up your own act before you take on policing the world!

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