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Talking to Ahmadinejad

Posted by Robert Dreyfuss, The Nation at 6:28 AM on June 26, 2009.


Why the Obama administration should talk with Iran's leaders, even after the regime's despicable election behavior.

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President Obama has gone about as far as he should go in condemning the government of Iran for its crackdown and repression of a popular movement for change in Iran. Since the election on June 12, his rhetoric has become harsher by the day. Yesterday, he said:

The United States and the international community have been appalled and outraged by the threats, the beatings, and imprisonments of the last few days. I strongly condemn these unjust actions.

Don't we all! But it's one thing for a Nation columnist to call the actions by the current Iranian regime disgusting and despicable, as I've done many times, and it's another thing for the president of the United States to do it. Because in the next few months, Obama may very well have to send emissaries to sit down and talk to that very regime. Now that he's condemned the repression, let's hope Obama goes back to his original plan of trying to get Iran to the table.

The cold, hard reality of Iran is that the current regime, led by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Leader, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the president is likely to remain in power. Yes, the legitimacy of their government has been stripped away. Yes, the regime has all but eliminated the "republic" part of "Islamic Republic," relying now on sheer military power to rule. Yes, its crackdown on dissidents has been ugly and brutal.

But if Khamenei and Ahmadinejad want to talk to the United States, perhaps as soon as this fall, America's answer had better be: Yes.

To be sure, it isn't clear if Iran's leaders will want to talk at all. Why? Three reasons. First, because during the election season and afterwards, Ahmadinejad's campaign whipped up the president's base, which consists of hard-core ultranationalists and religious zealots, and it won't be easy to put them back on the leash if the regime decides to talk to the United States. Second, because Khamenei has blamed the United States, Great Britain, Europe, and Israel for the actions of the "terrorists" (i.e., pro-democracy marchers) challenging his authority, and he may find it useful or necessary to demonize the West for the foreseeable future, making it unlikely he will respond positively to any tenders from the West. And third, because most of the more moderate members of Iran's establishment, including in the field of national security and foreign policy, who might have served as personal envoys for Khamenei in talks with the West, have either sided with the reformists or with conservative opponents of Ahmadinejad in Iran's parliament and in the camp of Mohsen Rezai, the former Revolutionary Guard commander who ran against Ahmadinejad.

Yesterday, at a forum organized by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, former top State Department official Nick Burns -- who retired in 2006 after serving as the point man on Iran policy during the Bush administation -- argued that even if Ahmadinejad wants to talk, Obama ought to refuse. David Ignatius, the Washington Post columnist, asked Burns, "In trying to stabilize Iran, Khamenei and Ahmadinejad may crave negotiations with the United States. Doing so would be very popular in Iran. What should the United States do if that happens?" Burns responded:

"That really is the key policy question. We have to be very careful not to give undue legitimacy to this government, not while people are in the streets. ... We should be patient. We should see what happens. For a month? For a year? ... We have to be very careful not to get them to the negotiating table very soon. Now is not the time."

That seems wrong-headed to me, on all counts. While Khamenei and Ahmadinejad may not want to talk soon, for the reasons I stated above, if they do offer to talk I think it will absurd and foolhardy not to take them up on the offer. Spurning an offer by Tehran to talk to Washington would instantly undue all of Obama's good will in Iran and in the region, and it would give the hardliners ample ammunition to further demonize the United States domestically.

Yesterday, in responding to a reporter's question at his news conference, here's how Obama handled that issue:

QUESTION Thank you, Mr. President. Your administration has said that the offer to talk to Iran's leaders remains open. Can you say if that's still so, even with all the violence that has been committed by the government against the peaceful protesters? And if it is, is there any red line that your administration won't cross where that offer will be shut off?

THE PRESIDENT Well, obviously what's happened in Iran is profound. And we're still waiting to see how it plays itself out. My position coming into this office has been that the United States has core national security interests in making sure that Iran doesn't possess a nuclear weapon and it stops exporting terrorism outside of its borders.

We have provided a path whereby Iran can reach out to the international community, engage, and become a part of international norms. It is up to them to make a decision as to whether they choose that path. What we've been seeing over the last several days, the last couple of weeks, obviously is not encouraging, in terms of the path that this regime may choose to take. And the fact that they are now in the midst of an extraordinary debate taking place in Iran may end up coloring how they respond to the international community as a whole.

We are going to monitor and see how this plays itself out before we make any judgments about how we proceed. But just to reiterate, there is a path available to Iran in which their sovereignty is respected, their traditions, their culture, their faith is respected, but one in which they are part of a larger community that has responsibilities and operates according to norms and international rules that are universal. We don't know how they're going to respond yet, and that's what we're waiting to see.

Reading that carefully, it is clear that Obama isn't taking the offer to talk off the table. (In other words, all options are on the table!)

In a piece of staged Q & A, Obama called on the Huffington Post, whose reporter rather theatrically forwarded a question to Obama "directly from an Iranian." Pressed by the reporter to say whether he'd refuse to recognize Ahmadinejad an Iran's president, Obama said, correctly, "There are significant questions about the legitimacy of the election." But he added: 

"Ultimately, this is up to the Iranian people to decide who their leadership is going to be and the structure of their government."

Later, bugged by Major Garrett of Fox News, Obama still insisted that he's willing to talk to Iran's leaders, and he reiterated the offer to host Iranian diplomats at July 4 gatherings at US embassies: 

GARRETT Are Iranian diplomats still welcome at the embassy on the Fourth of July, sir?

THE PRESIDENT Well, I think as you're aware, Major, we don't have formal diplomatic relations with -- we don't have formal diplomatic relations with Iran. I think that we have said that if Iran chooses a path that abides by international norms and principles, then we are interested in healing some of the wounds of 30 years, in terms of U.S.-Iranian relations. But that is a choice that the Iranians are going to have to make.

GARRETT But the offer still stands?

THE PRESIDENT That's a choice the Iranians are going to have to make.

The neocons, including Elliot Abrams -- who's quoted in the papers today -- are pushing hard for Obama to refuse to talk to Iran. Let's hope he continues to reject that advice.

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Robert Dreyfuss, a Nation contributing editor, is an investigative journalist in Alexandria, Virginia, specializing in politics and national security. He is the author of Devil's Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam and is a frequent contributor to Rolling Stone, The American Prospect, and Mother Jones.


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Noble Obama should talk to Iranian savages?
Posted by: bonapartist on Jun 26, 2009 10:27 AM   
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Dreyfuss and his pro-Obama pals, aided by such media outlets like Fox and New York times, inflated political unrest in Iran into an revolution. After that "revolution" was crushed Iranian regime lost legitimacy but Dreyfuss hopes Obama still talks to Ahmedinejad.

That probably accounts as balanced journalism.

There are few flaws however. The unrest in Iran is minor for a country of 70 millions, it wasn't a revolution as government really didn't have to pacify the country or even drag out the army and revolutionary guard. Remember Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 culminating in the Tiananmen Square massacre? You know when Chinese brought out tanks and machine guns? Apparently that didn't destroy PRC's government legitimacy but in Dreyfuss' world Iran was shaken by this trifling affair.

For as much as they try nobody can inflate the number of deaths over a few hundreds and number of arrests over a few thousands. The "icon" of this so-called revolution is one sole young woman who was shot while observing demonstrations from the outside.

And let us not even go into Mousavi's credibility - a hard liner who served as prime minister and minister of foreign affairs in governments considered corrupt far above and beyond Iranian average. Yes, Ahmedinjad is no saint; he is an authoritarian hard liner but certainly no worse than his opponent. Save one thing, his opponent is potential new Shah. Hey, it worked in 1953 when Mossadegh was as unacceptable to US due to his policies as Ahmedinejad is today.

And look who gave the biggest support to demonstrators - US, UK and Israel and their media. All three having long standing interests in destabilizing Iran and with US troops swarming around Iranian borders. What a coincidence.

And now, on top of all that, Obama might in his imperial benevolence talk to Iran despite the bad dog misbehaving. How quaint, please answer me why would Iran want to talk to Obama?

US lost its moral high ground with garbage in Iraq and Afghanistan, garbage that Obama chose to continue funding with ever increasing deficit. US economy is tanking so dollar isn't much of an incentive, not to mention that bailout for the rich sunk better part of Obama "audacity of hope". What is left? Freight of US military, the one spread so thin and unable to even check a lunatic in North Korea who constructs bigger and better nuclear weapons threatening none other than US.

No, Iran has no interest to talk to US and Obama is nothing but a mouth piece for the US ruling oligarchy. The same oligarchy that started the wars for the control of crude oil. As far as credibility is concerned Obama has preciously little both internationally and at home.

So after the "Green Revolution" failed (the similar model to Ukrainian "Orange Revolution" although that one succeeded) Obama will try to get political brownie points for appearing to be willing to talk to the potential victim that proved too hard to crack. This will serve to placate Obamabots and it will also be useful to further demonize Iran when they refuse to talk.

No, Mr. Dreyfuss it really isn't important if Obama will or will not talk to Iran. He has nothing to say and Iran has no reason to listen.

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Bob if you Love Israel,
Posted by: weathered on Jun 26, 2009 7:10 PM   
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pls. move there and fix it, its made America very sick.

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Otto
Posted by: otto on Jun 27, 2009 5:59 AM   
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I generally like the tone of the article. But it doesn't mention anything of the U.S. actually paying and working for the destruction of the political regime inside Iran, with spies and even terrorist activities. Should Obama also acknowledge these facts, as he did that we put the Shah in power that way in the past?

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I agree, we must talk
Posted by: sheena2u on Jun 27, 2009 9:06 PM   
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I know something about Islamic culture, and I have great respect for it. I was dismayed to hear Iran's President to speak harshly against President Obama's words. Although this is regrettable, I agree with President Obama.

Nevertheless, I still hope the channels of communication will, and can, remain open. I still hope for peaceful discourse between the U.S. and Iran in the future. I believe Iran is still open to peaceful talks with the U.S., and vice versa, and so it should be.

We certainly gain nothing by returning to the clumsy, wrong-headed, blustering of George W. Bush in his refusal to speak to Iran. Bush made us all look like empty headed, arrogant, uncultured, cowboys, and he was a great danger to the world.

President Obama is light years away from that. President Obama is intelligent, morally strong, and diplomatic. He needs no advice from Fox News or the far right. The world, and President Obama, can get along much better without input from Fox New's peanut gallery.

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US News Organizations vs. the World
Posted by: sunhelen on Jun 30, 2009 10:58 PM   
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Protests have not been confined to the relatively prosperous neighborhoods covered by CNN. Just because CNN only covers a small section of Tehran doesn't mean that other areas don't exist.

I encourage everyone here to stop relying exclusively on the US media. Investigate the media in every language that you can understand. There are a lot of videos out there that have not been shown in the US press. Also, a lot of Arabic news coverage has been translated into English.

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