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Polling Guru: Analysis Showing Iran Vote was Rigged Has Major Flaws

Posted by Staff, AlterNet at 3:23 PM on June 14, 2009.


Nate Silver, a respected statistician, says 'not so fast' ...

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Middle East experts are falling into two broad camps on the Iranian election. One argues that numerous irregularities in voting patterns combined with reports of intimidation, vote buying and other abuses are de facto evidence supporting claims that a presidential coup has taken place in Iran. (Read the arguments of Middle East scholars Juan Cole and Stephen Zunes for more details.) A second camp argues caution, suggesting that many in the media had come down with a case of "wishful thinking" that raised expectations of a possible victory by Mir Hossein Mousavi beyond reason, and the gap between the expectations and results is leading to an eagerness to embrace the opposition's claims of massive fraud. (See Middle East scholar Abbas Barzegar's take for more.)

Josh Marshall writes, "going forward I have to imagine that either new facts or simply the momentum of one or other of the narratives will take hold and be the defining one in countries outside Iran," and adds, "I'm eager to see which one it is."

Into that debate, a new statistical analysis of the election results is making the rounds that suggests that the numbers reported by the Interior Ministry are evidence of large-scale vote-fraud, which you can review here.

But respected polling expert Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight.com, while saying he has "no particular reason to believe the results reported by the Interior Ministry," finds the analysis unpersuasive. Read his post here.

 

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Where was Nate Silver in 2000?
Posted by: weathered on Jun 14, 2009 5:26 PM   
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Now we have a 'polling guru', how fitting.

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Alternet's Equalish Coverage - Why?
Posted by: matty848 on Jun 15, 2009 5:38 AM   
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I have read over Alternet's various articles concerning the Iranian elections, whether certain authors say it was rigged, no questions asked, or others say "Not So Fast". The evenhanded coverage is commendable in one light, trying to give different opinions, scientific polling examples, historical data, etc. to say, "Hey, we just don't know right now, but here's what different people are saying".

This is all well and good. But the tone of the articles, the topic of discussion, i.e.: was there fraud or not? doesn't seem to matter much to me. If there was, no big surprise, if there wasn't, great for the President's supporters. Either way, why aren't Alternet's articles touching on areas that actually mean something to it's progressive readers? Why aren't we discussing that no matter who got more votes, that the supreme ayatollah has to approve the presidential candidates prior to elections, that he (obviously always a 'he') appoints the head of state media and the guardian council, the most powerful group of people in government practically.

Recently Reporters Without Boarders and other media organizations have said for the world to not accept the outcome of the election based on repression of the media.

Regardless of who 'wins' this 'election', its been a sham to every meaningful aspect of participatory democracy that I can think of. The idea that Alternet authors would call Iran a vibrant democracy is sickening.

Let's talk about this. Let's hear a response from an Alternet employee.

-Matt

(and for god's sake, pfgetty, this election has nothing to do with 9/11 so please go away)

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» SUPRESSING 9/11 TRUTH!! Posted by: Sekhmetnakt
So what?
Posted by: willymack on Jun 15, 2009 11:22 AM   
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So, maybe the Iranian election was rigged, maybe not.
The current Iranian President is a harmless nut,with no real power, and
The election in Iran is none of our business.
If we're so hot to ctiticise phony elections, let's look at one that IS our business, the one that happened right here in 2000, and launched an eight year crime spree.

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Both/And
Posted by: liz-at-blackrose on Jun 16, 2009 5:06 AM   
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It's entirely possible -- and I think likely -- that the vote was rigged AND Ahmadinejad got enough support from older, conservative, and rural votes to win legitimately.

What I'm curious about is why no attempt to hide the fraud. It's as if, in a U.S. presidential election, instead of shifting votes by a couple points in Ohio or Florida, Bush claimed San Francisco favored him by 60%.

It would have been easy enough to release plausible numbers that still gave Ahmadinejad the victory. Makes you wonder if someone other than Ahmadinejad and his supporters is behind this...

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