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Bob Gates Says Iran Arming Taliban ... He Can't Be Trusted

Posted by Joshua Holland, AlterNet at 12:13 PM on May 28, 2009.


He has not been as horrid as he might have been, but that doesn't mean Gates is a straight shooter.

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There's a lot going on in this article about Defense Secretary Robert Gates' assertion that the Taliban have the upper hand in Afghanistan, and his prediction that the American public's support for the conflict will soften if progress doesn't become apparent soon.

This statement certainly jumped out for me:

Mr. Gates also said Iran was harming U.S. interests in Afghanistan by sending weapons to the Taliban and other armed groups. He expressed particular concern that Tehran might step up its shipments of explosively formed penetrators, powerful roadside bombs capable of punching through even the strongest armor.

Afghanistan is known as the "Graveyard of Empires," and with good reason -- everyone's fought (and lost) there, leaving a country awash in weapons. In Pakistan's "tribal areas" bordering on Afghanistan, even very modern, heavy weapons are easily found -- here's a brief but fascinating documentary that reveals just how easy it is to get Soviet, American and even old British hardware for a song.

And, according to an investigation by The New York Times, there's evidence that Gates' DoD is itself supplying the Taliban with arms:

Insurgents in Afghanistan, fighting from some of the poorest and most remote regions on earth, have managed for years to maintain an intensive guerrilla war against materially superior U.S. and Afghan forces.

Arms and ordnance collected from dead insurgents hint at one possible reason: Of 30 rifle magazines recently taken from insurgents' corpses, at least 17 contained cartridges identical to ammunition the United States had provided to Afghan government forces, according to an examination of ammunition markings by The New York Times and interviews with U.S. officers and arms dealers.

The presence of this ammunition among the dead in Korangal Valley, an area of often fierce fighting near the Afghan border with Pakistan, strongly suggests that munitions procured by the Pentagon have leaked from Afghan forces for use against U.S. troops.

 Also, the reference to "explosive formed penetrators" raises a huge red flag ...

Recall how we first learned of the allegation of a dastardly Iranian plot to arm America's enemies with these deadly roadside bombs. It was in Iraq, where occupation officials rolled out the supposedly sophisticated IEDs as a "smoking gun" that would prove once and for all that Iran was arming Iraqi militants. The story was amplified by the stenography of Michael Gordon -- Judith Miller's old writing partner -- in the New York Times, and soon became part of the conventional thinking about the conflict.

The revelation had been delayed because, as the National Journal reported, "even as U.S. officials in Baghdad were ready to make the case, administration principals in Washington who were charged with vetting the PowerPoint dossier bowed to pressure from the intelligence community and ordered that it be scrubbed" -- intelligence officials had pushed back. When unnamed officials finally briefed reporters in Baghdad's sprawling Green Zone, they argued that the devices were too sophisticated to be home-made by Iraqi insurgents -- they had to be imported. But just a couple weeks after the claim was made, Reuters reported that during a sweep of the city of Diwaniya, "troops, facing scattered resistance, discovered a factory that produced 'explosively formed penetrators' (EFPs), a particularly deadly type of explosive that can destroy a main battle tank and several weapons caches." Oh well.

But they had hard evidence -- actual EFPs captured in battle -- which they eventually revealed to reporters. Which turned out to be a mistake, as question after question popped up about the veracity of the evidence. (Also see Gareth Porter's excellent piece, "US's Smoking Gun on Iran Misfires.")

And even if the weapons were of Iranian manufacture, that's as far as the trail (I should say "trails," as this storyline about Iran arming various groups has been repeated quite often) has gone. One can imagine a thousand indirect routes a weapon could take from Iran to an insurgent in Iraq or Afghanistan. The world is awash in weapons, and if their origin were de facto evidence that  the country that manufactured them was fueling the conflicts in which they appeared ... well, you get the idea.

Now, back to Gates. I'm quite happy to admit that when Goerge W. Bush first made the appointment, I overreached in comparing him to Donald Rumsfeld -- he's no Rumsfeldian ideologue, that's for sure. But the points I raised about his background at the time are still relevant in judging the quality of this latest charge:

Gates, like Rumsfeld, was a dedicated Cold Warrior. [Thomas]Powers recalls that during his 1987 confirmation hearing, Gates was accused by former CIA colleague Mel Goodman (who Gates called "one of my oldest friends in the agency") and Harold Ford ("another old friend and colleague") of pressuring "CIA analysts to exaggerate Soviet involvement in the plot to kill Pope John Paul II and in international terrorism and … suppress[ing] and ignor[ing] 'signs of the Soviet strategic retreat, including the collapse of the Soviet empire.'"

In announcing his decision to vote against Gates' confirmation in 1991, Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., said that "the record also shows" Gates "was integrally involved with the secret sharing of intelligence to Iraq and our sharp tilt toward Iraq in its war with Iran. But Mr. Gates hid that action from Congress ... It is important to keep in mind that this shift toward Iraq in its war with Iran began our ill-fated cozy relationship with Saddam Hussein."

[Gates] quashed dissenting views and helped craft an inaccurate 1985 intelligence estimate that Soviet influence in Iran could soon grow ... He personally insisted that State Department officials drop footnotes from the report which did not support his viewpoint. These actions had consequences far beyond mere intellectual debates. In recommending that United States allies be permitted to sell arms to Iran, the report helped lay the foundation for the ill-fated arms for hostages deal in Iran.

Iran-Contra, which followed the arms for hostages deal with Iran, is the source of Gates' worst baggage. In the 1980s, as the illegal arrangement was being put together, Gates was then-CIA Director William Casey's chief of staff. The independent counsel investigation of Iran-Contra found insufficient evidence to charge him with a crime, but that was in large part due to the refusal by Clair George, the CIA's former deputy director for operations, to cooperate with the investigation (George was indicted for his role in 1991).

Gates has denied knowledge of the Iran-Contra affair. But as Thomas Powers noted, "The problem, of course, is that Gates, working for Casey, North's enthusiastic backer, was in a very good position to know about [Iran-Contra] and a great deal else besides."

Obviously, I don't have access to any classified information, but I write this so readers can keep it in mind when judging these kind of charges -- so it doesn't disappear down the memory-hole.

Geopolitics is geopolitics, and one can't rule out the possibility that Iran is helping anyone who wants to keep us bogged down in  unwinnable conflicts on far-flung shores. But I'd just point out that the Iranian government was always a deadly opponent of the Taliban. As the Statesman put it, "Iran has been an uncompromising foe of the Taliban from the start. State interests no less than ideological considerations have divided them. Indeed, at a time several years ago when much of the rest of the world was beginning to come around to establishing some sort of modus vivendi with the Taliban as they spread across Afghanistan and seemed impossible to remove, Iran remained staunchly opposed. It gave its backing to the Northern Alliance that resisted the Taliban to the end under the leadership of Ahmed Shah Massoud." A little-known fact of the Afghan invasion is that Iranians were actually on the front-lines of the conflict, battling the Taliban alongside the "Northern Alliance."

Are they now arming their erstwhile enemies? Who knows. But by and large I just don't trust those making the claim.

PS: I'll leave you with an interesting tidbit from the story, sans commentary:

At the suggestion of some of his staff, Mr. Gates has begun referring to himself as the "secretary of war," saying that shows he and his department have no higher priority than the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Digg!

Tagged as: iran, propaganda, gates, taliban

Joshua Holland is an editor and senior writer at AlterNet.


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Posted by: zixu on May 28, 2009 3:56 AM   
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There is no story in the down load re the story on mr. gates. please correct this and give us the story. the technicals on alternet are pretty poor and challenging. jw

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Gates can't be trusted?
Posted by: willymack on May 28, 2009 11:25 AM   
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I'm crushed. Devastated. Since when could ANYBODY in the military/corporate crime cartel be trusted?

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Censored
Posted by: maxsmart on May 28, 2009 12:16 PM   
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Sorry, it appears the entire story has
been censored. Mr Gates forgot he is not in the CIA now!!! I thought the Taliban was no longer the enemy anyway?

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» RE: Censored Posted by: maxsmart
Apologies
Posted by: Joshua Holland on May 28, 2009 12:28 PM   
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Apparently, this post went live while I was still writing it and some readers got a blank page. My bad.

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» RE: Apologies Posted by: Razional Thinker
» RE: Apologies Posted by: Razional Thinker
Really Gates? Taliban came into power with our help.
Posted by: MeyravLevine on May 28, 2009 12:37 PM   
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One of the first official acts of Taliban was the wide spread massacre of Shia minority in Hazaara. And the massacre of the Iranian diplomats at Mazara-i-Sharif in Afghanistan.

In fact, it was US and its allies Pakistan and Saudi Arabia that brought Taliban to power.

US provided the diplomatic support for Taliban at the UN back in the 90s.

Iran had threatened to invade Afghanistan and had to be restraint.

And now you expect us to believe that Shia Iran is supporting Wahabi Taliban? For what, so that more Shias get killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan at the hands of Taliban?

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Did Someone Give Him An Old Iraq Invasion Script?
Posted by: mikeblack on May 28, 2009 1:40 PM   
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The above post sums it up perfectly. The lies coming out don't even remotely make sense anymore. They're just rehashing the same lie the Bush administration used about Saddam supporting them. There's no way they'd be in bed together. They're just expecting Americans to believe all Muslims are the same and all would band together against us. But it's not that simple.

But it's nice that Obama supporters are moving through the "stages of grief" and are now weaning themselves off of excuses with "well, his pick wasn't as bad as he could have been....." Keep coming. We Third Partiers will be there for you when you're ready to break off of Democrat dependency.

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Anti-Iran propaganda is dangerous to US national interests
Posted by: Garvagh on May 28, 2009 4:35 PM   
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Bravo! Iran seeks stability in Afghanistan, in part so that 2 million Afghan refugees in Iran can return home. Gates should be ashamed of himself, spouting anti-Iran propaganda at a time Israel continues to threaten to launch an insane surprise attack on Iran! I well remember how Gates did all he could to inflate vastly the "threat" posed by a Soviet Union that clearly was nearing the point of final collapse. Gates helped sell hundreds upon hundres of billions of dollars in unnecessary weapons (including the 600 capital ship navy!).
Iran says US military activities in Afghanistan have only made things worse. This assessment seems impossible to dispute.

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All the higher-ups in the Pentagon and DoD...
Posted by: Quannah on May 28, 2009 9:01 PM   
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are Bush "moles," stupidly left in place to continue to do the bidding of the Bush Junta.

Gates, Petraeus, McChrystal... all "loyal Bushies," which is why they all got the positions they did in the last administration.

Gates also must forget that Iran HELPED THE U.S. in capturing terrorists and helping to eradicate the poppy crop way back in 2001 and 2002. Guess it was okay to have them as allies then. Now? Not so much.

This whole scenario in Afghanistan is beginning to resemble the Iraq debacle more and more.

This is NOT going to end well.

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» RE: Stupidly? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Stupidly? Posted by: Quannah
Gates is a Fraud!
Posted by: virgie on May 28, 2009 9:19 PM   
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Robert Gates and Gen patreaus should be fired
from their postions. Their still under the infleunce of Bush AND CHENEY. And keeep in contact with them. Why do you think Dick Cheney was on fox news several times spouting
off about closing Gitmo and torture.
Their all working behind Obama's back.
Wise up Obama.

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Secretary of War
Posted by: Jaffe on May 28, 2009 9:22 PM   
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Whether he calls himself Robert or--after the American fashion--Bob, Gates is still reprehensible. That he might seem less moronically hawkish than he does is only because he followed the demonic "Don" Rumsfeld.

Still, "Bob" Gates would be living the filthily indulgent life of a millionaire pensioner were it not for Obama who for absolutely no justifiable reason retained the old murderer for another run.

And Gates, who knows next to nothing about Islam, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Taliban, or Al Qaida is doing his "progressive" boss proud.

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Full circle...
Posted by: adp3d on May 28, 2009 10:45 PM   
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...Robert Gates is supplying arms to Iraqi insurgents(via Iran)! No wonder he supports the closing of Gitmo...

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NO Politician can be TRUSTED -- so what's NEW?
Posted by: joeocho88 on May 29, 2009 3:57 AM   
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they want US to FIGHT so THEY can MAINTAIN THEIR RICH AND LUXURIOUS LIFESTYLE ON OUR BACKS WITH OUR TAXES!

Why don't we put all these guys who want to fight in a great BIG ROOM, give THEM all axes and turn out the lights and let THEM fight...

And whoever survives WINS, and we compost the losers.

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Douche the Department of Death
Posted by: godsbreath64 on May 29, 2009 5:39 AM   
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Boobygates stands as the lynch-pin for the Black Opps necessary to muck into office the Jeb maladministration.

Let's have a moment of silence now for the mother's of the innocents that still must die so that We Be Tyranny may live again to fight the american way, another day.

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not exactly
Posted by: jstepp590 on May 29, 2009 7:23 AM   
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"Afghanistan is known as the "Graveyard of Empires," and with good reason -- everyone's fought (and lost) there, leaving a country awash in weapons."

Uh, not exactly. Tamerlane managed it, not that I am espousing his tactics.

This whole conflict is wrapped up in oil and natural gas interests, just like the whole Shell oil thing in Nigeria. I have done so much research on this and the more I find out the less I realize I know. I just don't know what or who to believe any more.

What I do know is that, if we aren't being told the truth with all the facts then I do not want our government torturing (under any situation really) or our soldiers involved, filling up body bags with our relatives.

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Big deal!
Posted by: Aquinas on May 29, 2009 12:18 PM   
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So Iran is arming the Taliban, we've been arming the world for how long!!!?
Specifically, we've been arming and financing Israel for how long? Where's the difference? How is Iran's activities any concern of ours in the first place?

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I'M NOT SURE GATES MATTERS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 29, 2009 2:48 PM   
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I watched a documentary about the Taliban in Pakistan the other night. There is no shortage of volunteers, mostly teenagers, and no shortage of weapons. They do no fear death but rather see it as marytdom and a worthy cause. The only weapon they don't have is money. But sending our soldiers and marines to fight such a random enemy is cruel. A battle plan is impossible. It's just plain wrong. ANNA

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