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Life Expectancies Dropping, Wages Falling, Food Rationing Reported -- What the Hell is Going on?

Posted by Joshua Holland, AlterNet at 6:00 AM on April 23, 2008.


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Nope, not subtle at all.

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For years, we've been financing our consumption with debt, offshoring our manufacturing base and living large -- at least some of us -- off of one speculative bubble after the next.

We can talk about stagnant wages and how dramatically inequality has increased, but that frames it passively, as a sort of natural phenomenon. But that obscures the fact that it's been an active process, with the wealthiest Americans gaming the system for a bigger piece of the pie at everyone else's expense. Meanwhile, we've been investing bupkis in our future, expecting, perhaps, to remain on the top through nothing more than raw American exceptionalism.

It's a model that was never sustainable. As the GAO once put the obvious, famously, "By definition, what is unsustainable will not be sustained." And it appears we're paying the piper, although nobody knows how much the bill will be, exactly.

A few signals of what's shaping up to be quite a crisis ...

According to the New York Sun:

Many parts of America, long considered the breadbasket of the world, are now confronting a once unthinkable phenomenon: food rationing.

Major retailers in New York, in areas of New England, and on the West Coast are limiting purchases of flour, rice, and cooking oil as demand outstrips supply. There are also anecdotal reports that some consumers are hoarding grain stocks.

International Herald Tribune:

The $20 hourly wage, introduced on a huge scale in the middle of the last century, allowed masses of Americans with no more than a high school education to rise to the middle class. It was a marker, of sorts, but it is becoming extinct.

Americans greeted the loss with anger and protest when it first began to happen in big numbers in the late 1970s, particularly in the steel industry in western Pennsylvania. But as layoffs persisted, in Pennsylvania and across the country, through the '80s and '90s and right up to today, the protests subsided and acquiescence set in.

The high point came in the 1970s, just as the United States was beginning to lose its controlling grip on the economies of the non-communist world. Since then the percentage of people earning at least $20 an hour has eroded in every sector of the economy, falling last year to 18 percent of all hourly workers from 23 percent in 1979 - a gradual unwinding of the post-World War II gains.

The decline is greatest in manufacturing, where only 1.9 million hourly workers still earn that much. That is down nearly 60 percent since 1979, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reports.

The shrinkage is sometimes quite open. The Big Three automakers are buying out more than 25,000 employees who earn above $20 an hour, replacing many with new hires tied to a "second tier" wage scale that never quite reaches $20. A similar buyout last year removed 80,000 autoworkers. Many were not replaced, but many were, with the new hires paid at the non-middle-class scale, and with fewer benefits.

Wages are stagnant while food prices are skyrocketing and oil is at an all-time high of $118 a barrel. I don't know about you, but I lead a pretty humble life, and I'm having a harder time making ends meet right now than I was a few short years ago.

The longer-term effects of the systematic dismantling of the New Deal are becoming evident as well. As I wrote last year ...

America's core infrastructure has been falling apart in very visible ways during the past few years. It's a predictable outcome of the rise of "backlash" conservatism; we've swallowed 30 years of small-government rhetoric, and it's led us to a point in which our infrastructure, once the pride of the developed world, is falling apart around us. We're reaping what we've sown.

It's all part of a larger picture. We have a crumbling power grid and are falling behind the rest of the world in broadband infrastructure. The American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) talks of "congested highways, overflowing sewers and corroding bridges" that are "constant reminders of the looming crisis that jeopardizes our nation's prosperity and our quality of life." Every year the engineering society issues a report card grading 15 categories of America's once-premier infrastructure. In 2005, that "core" infrastructure collectively got a "D-," slightly worse than the "D" it received in 2000.

As a nation, our physical health appears to be declining as well. We were once the tallest people in the world, but citizens of all the social democracies have been out-growing us, on average, and we now have the shortest average stature among all the countries with highly advanced economies.

The latest news on this front comes via the Washington Post:

For the first time since the Spanish influenza of 1918, life expectancy is falling for a significant number of American women.

In nearly 1,000 counties that together are home to about 12 percent of the nation's women, life expectancy is now shorter than it was in the early 1980s, according to a study published today.

"I think this is a harbinger. This is not going to be isolated to this set of counties, is my guess," said Christopher J.L. Murray, a physician and epidemiologist at the University of Washington who led the study. It is being published in PLoS Medicine, an open-access journal of the Public Library of Science.

The study found a smaller decline, in far fewer places, in the life expectancy of men in this country. In all, longevity is declining for about 4 percent of males.

The phenomenon appears to be not only new but distinctly American.

"If you look in Western Europe, Australia, Japan, New Zealand, we don't see this," Murray said.

The authors attribute much of this to increases in smoking-related illnesses, obesity and their sequelae, including diabetes and kidney failure. All preventable diseases, but we don't do prevention well. Our bottom-line-driven health care system is geared towards treating diseases once they spring up as opposed to keeping people healthy in the first place.

Recently PBS ran a doc called "Unnatural Causes: Is Inequality Making Us Sick?" According to producer Larry Adelman, "a growing body of evidence suggests there is much more to our health than bad habits, our meds or unlucky genes."

The social, physical and economic environments in which we are born, live and work can actually get under our skin as surely as germs and viruses. Because these conditions are distributed unequally--in the jobs we do, the wealth we enjoy, the schools we attend, the neighborhoods we inhabit, the power we have to manage our lives--so are our patterns of health and disease, particularly stroke, heart disease, asthma, hypertension, diabetes, kidney disease and even some cancers.

All of this is a snapshot of the big picture, but nobody really knows where we're really headed. A couple of years ago, economist Dean Baker told me that he could see average incomes falling by as much as 40 percent as the housing bubble bursts.

I sincerely hope I'm being an alarmist here, but it's not unrealistic to be worried and there's little reason to have a lot of faith in our political leaders' ability to come up with a new and sustainable economic paradigm, as it's becoming clear we must do sooner or later.

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Joshua Holland is an editor and senior writer at AlterNet.


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Americans seem to be quite content with the situation
Posted by: PakiBoy on Apr 23, 2008 6:39 AM   
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why else would they be electing the same two parties that have brought them to the situation described in this article?

Why would blue-collar workers be voting for someone like Hillary?

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Food will be the spark
Posted by: civilsociety on Apr 23, 2008 6:45 AM   
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It does not take much to realize that we are headed toward an implosion and the only question now is how soon and what will be the extent of the damage.

Three weeks ago my spouse and I stocked up on flour, noodles and oatmeal, three things we use alot. We make our own bread, own granola and saw the prices going up right on the shelves. They had pushed the flour at 1.59 to the edges while the ones in the middle were 2.56. They are all now $2.56.


People are not paying attention to the gravity of this impending disaster about to flay itself open on their plates. Food will set off the panic in the US and all else will follow.

It's coming.

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» RE: Shove your bible. Posted by: boydranchitos
» RE: Food will be the spark Posted by: bookie
» RE: Food will be the spark Posted by: SteveO
» RE: Food will be the spark Posted by: bookie
welcome to the new 'merican century, courtesy of your republican/democratic cabal
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Apr 23, 2008 7:05 AM   
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forward into the past! welcome 1930!

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» Probably not Posted by: ReallyBearish
slimjim66
Posted by: slimjim66 on Apr 23, 2008 7:11 AM   
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This American Government has destroyed life as it
used to be . we as Americans must now either
learn to live like this or Impeach and turn this Country around American Corporations outside the
United States should be boycotted , Farmers in America should go back to farming their lands
and we as American Citizens must stop paying taxes
to a American failed system this Government who was in all reality only hired to lead and not detroy this economy . if not as in the bible what
we sow is what we shall reap . Big corporation and greed have destroyed our corrupt government
do we as Americans really believe they feel any
pain . Bush lied himself into office and we as americans turned our heads what were we to expect from a thief .

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» RE: slimjim66 Posted by: Ellie M.
It Will Get Much Worse
Posted by: QQOblivion on Apr 23, 2008 7:22 AM   
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And it is going to get much worse. There is already massive food rioting in Haiti and is parts of Africa.
Then there is Peak Oil.
And don't forget that America is going to have to pay back its massive debt SOMETIME.
And, oh yeah, you think the wars America is involved in now are a drag on our standard of living? Just wait until we bomb Iran, Syria, and the rest. Hell, some battles of the coming wars may be fought on American soil. Then Americans will personally know how the Iraqis currently feel.

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» As long as we can pay in dollars Posted by: ReallyBearish
» Euro = $1.61 Posted by: hurricane hugo
» RE: Why do we have to pay it back? Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: It Will Get Much Worse Posted by: bikerdude
Global Economy
Posted by: Southern Gal on Apr 23, 2008 7:54 AM   
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We are in a global economy.If you compare our lifestyles to other countries you'll see huge differences. Many people from other countries would see our lives as wonderful, as something to be envied and coveted. People in this country need to rethink what they need to consider themselves successful and satisfied. We can all live a lot more simply. Many of us are working several jobs to pay off debt and to keep afloat. At some time we have to decide what is essential to our lives and what can be cut. The treadmill of consumerism is not making us happier, healthier or better people. I don't see how we can get out of the global economy, so living more simply will be forced upon us by further lack of resources and competition with other countries for jobs. Maybe it's better to get a jump on that, pay off our debt and redefine out lifestyles now.

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» RE: The Dirty Secret! Posted by: oregoncharles
» best take on the article so far Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» RE: The Dirty Secret! Posted by: bifheart
» RE: Global Economy Posted by: newtype_alpha
Do political leaders come up with economic paradigms?
Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Apr 23, 2008 8:04 AM   
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I guess Bismarck did, to some extent. But I'm inclined to think of economic systems as emergent from the interactions among many factors, including resource availability and other environmental factors, historical momentum, and the individual and collective choices of economic actors. (Did that make any sense at all?)

The Northern European social democracies are the best example to date of good governance. And while I am philosophically inclined to consider them excessively statist, we all should keep their example in mind as we work together to come up with a workable new economic paradigm.

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Great (but depressing) article!
Posted by: Quannah on Apr 23, 2008 8:23 AM   
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This country has been on a downward spiral since Ronnie Reagan took office, and hasn't stopped. Americans are the frogs in the pot of water on the stove. They turned the heat on years ago and have been slowly turning it up on us. Seemed quite comfortable, didn't it?

We're cooked.

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Excellent piece. Can we move this to the features area?
Posted by: Rune on Apr 23, 2008 8:29 AM   
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Nicely done, Joshua. Although it is in blog form, you have strung together several interrelated topics that are worthy of more attention and commentary than they will likely receive over here on the right hand margin. I encourage you to put this one front and center when you see an opening.

Thanks!

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If Obama's lucky, ...
Posted by: gazooks on Apr 23, 2008 8:40 AM   
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... McCain will win the Presidency. A symbolic relic of a failed culture.

Whomever inherits leadership is in for an unprecedented stretch of global environmental, socioeconomic and political misfortune, not necessarily in that order, but they'll all stretch beyond limit the resources available to cope.

Our collective excesses are finally and perhaps fatally about to come to roost. The head in the sand days as the dominant, consuming culture unconcerned with the environmental costs of our material indulgence, and our acquiescence to human exploitation through our self-centered notions of deserving right and privilege as "God's" people are nearing an inevitable end.

We will likely merit the wrath appropriate to the crime by those youthful remnants energetic to retribution for the careless folly of their precursors en-route. And as Gaia again searches for renewed balance with indiscriminate justice, we'll join a purer more innocent fossil record.

Maybe the Maya could see further and clearer than we think.

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Adjustments are required from time to time.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 23, 2008 9:09 AM   
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Yes, it is indeed possible that we will begin paying what the rest of the industrialized world pays for fuel--even to the extent that the federal cut may mirror those of EU and advanced Asian nations. Better roads for fewer cars will appear to make sense, until somebody decides to think about it, which may take a while...thinking being an action in short supply in D.C.-land.

The price of food is rising towards it's real value: the prevention of starvation among a peoples. Dirt cheap grains and commodities that the governments of advanced nations pay farmers not to grow, or to destroy may become a thing of the past, as should farm subsidies in general. Perhaps also these fuel "innovation initiatives"--formerly called moonshining--won't make a whole lot of sense when the price of feed corn/grains doubles or trebles.

small typo: I believe the word is exceptionalism versus exeptionalism, but a better word would be "nationalism", which is

1) both more meaningful, accurate, and (from the intended emotional standpoint) doesn't convey the false pretense that other citizens of many other countries don't likewise think they have it better in many ways, simply by virtue of their nationality. In other words, it isn't exceptional to be a nationalist in many, many, many places.

2) a better descriptor than "exceptionalism" because every (from a less emotional standpoint) country, by virtue of unique resources, unique laws, etc. is by formal definition exceptional. The smallest "minority", after all, is everyone you meet.

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» You're right Posted by: ReallyBearish
» Exceptionalism Posted by: Joshua Holland
Are people actually noticing?
Posted by: badkitty on Apr 23, 2008 10:15 AM   
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Joshua, as someone born in 1950, I have watched the United States on a downward spiral since the very early 80's. It was hard to see at first, in the 70's, but by 1995 it seemed hard to miss to my husband and me. Watching our country go from the most powerful nation in the world to a second rate nation has been very unhappy. But people think we're nut cases because we don't equate working to make enough to buy unnecessary consumer goods and not being able to afford to buy a house with a great economy. All the things we took for granted as middle class children are going or gone--grain silos filled to overflowing, a strong manufacturing economy, medical care that you could afford (doctor home visits!), meat that seemed safe to eat, an income that was enough to live on, raise a family and buy a house... Some things have definitely improved since the 50's, some things are not quite as good, but the majority of things are much worse. Everything I have done for the past five years has been done with the thought that our country is collapsing. But even I never thought it would go this fast. I thought my son might have some sort of a future, but now I really wonder. Put a fork in in us, we're done.

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» yup Posted by: fanny666
Food Shortages?!!!!
Posted by: oregoncharles on Apr 23, 2008 10:43 AM   
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We're still exporting grain and screwing up 3rd World farmers with our subsidies!

Hell, I'M hoarding grain: when I realized the price of flour was shooting up, I bought twice as much. Not a big deal, but I should have done that for rice & oatmeal, too.

Seriously, folks: if you have a yard, plant a garden. You can't eat grass, or rhododendrons (they're poisonous). It's spring already, so get busy. Growing grain on a small scale requires special equipment, except for corn, but potatoes are really easy: set the pieces really shallow, cover with mulch and KEEP COVERED: green potatoes will make you sick. Winter squash is another good bet. You can't survive on green vegetables: not enough calories. You need starch, and maybe beans, also pretty easy, at least where there aren't bean beetles.

Don't forget fruit or nut trees, if you have room. You CAN eat acorns, if you leach out the tannins (look it up), but other nuts are tastier and easier.

It's good for both your body and your mind, as well as for your food security. And go to the local farmers' markets - you really need those people operating around you, so pass them some of your cash and eat better, too.

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» RE: Food Shortages?!!!! Posted by: Quannah
the bandana revolution
Posted by: civilsociety on Apr 23, 2008 10:51 AM   
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There are many very smart people in this blog and a few other good ones that see the writing on the wall.

The disadvantage we have is we cannot see each other. I have come up with an idea conceived by the following short story:
Two thousand years ago a Roman senator suggested that all slaves wear white armbands to better identify them. “No”, said a wiser senator. “If they see how many of them there are , they may revolt.”

It is very clear we have come to a crossroads. We have a choice to make.

We can choose Empire

OR

We can choose Earth Community.

We can choose to continue to be slaves to the Empire or we can choose to build on a new Earth Community.

If you choose Earth Community then let’s start by choosing a symbol that EVERYONE could easily obtain. Nothing fancy just something that anyone has in their drawer and can identify with the simplicity of Earth community.

Let’s start the revolution. The Bandana Revolution. Let us see how many of us there are.

A bandana is a simple easy symbol that can represent solidarity for Earth community and be used as a visible signal that you reject Empire.

Take a bandana and

Tie it on your car, your briefcase or your bag.
Wear it on your head, your neck or your arm.
Hang it in your house window, tie it to your mailbox.

The power of seeing others on the street who have the same beliefs, courage and desires to transform our world will be visible to all easily and quickly.

Let us really see how many of us are wiling to support our cause. Remember, they are few, we are many but we need to see who we are. Let’s show the world how many of us believe we can change knowing we are not alone.

And to really make our point if everyone didn't buy one single thing on the last day of every month until DC gets the message and starts getting serious about what is happening we will have taken back our country. Nothing speaks louder to DC than money (or the lack of it). One day, the last day of every month, don't buy a thing. No gas, No food, No movies, No nothing. One day, the last day of every month until we see some honest to goodness changes. Not a hardship for us but certainly will make our point. Make them understand we mean business. Our business, not theirs.

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» RE: the bandana revolution Posted by: Knowmad
» RE: the bandana revolution Posted by: civilsociety
Best article yet on the subject!
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 23, 2008 11:25 AM   
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It's not just here -

Masai return to their hunting grounds as tourism collapses, By Steve Bloomfield in the Masai Mara, Independent UK 22 April 2008

This vast expanse of savannah, which offers some of Africa's best game viewing, used to attract about 300,000 tourists a year. But the images of machete-wielding mobs rampaging across the east African nation following disputed presidential elections saw many Western safari enthusiasts cancel their holiday plans. . .

That means the tourism revenues that used to keep the compensation fund afloat have dried up, the Mara Conservancy is on the brink of collapse and there is a very real threat to the delicate balance that exists in this game-rich corner of Kenya between man and nature. . .

"We know we shouldn't kill it, but we might have to," said Konchellah Ololmaneie, who has lost six of his 80 goats to the leopard.


As things continue to spiral out of control, we'll see more of this - eco-tourism from wealthy countries will not continue as conditions in the developing world degrade under population pressure, external exploitation, and global warming. Maybe in a few heavily guarded enclaves, like Costa Rica and Tahiti, but that's about it.

The immediate cause of the high prices, however, is that all those investors who were holding shares in investment banks, etc, moved their money into commodities - oil, corn, soy, etc. This is clear by watching how the futures markets lead the price spikes.

A good article for understanding this is here:
Corn, rice surge as global food tensions mount, Reuters, Wednesday April 23 2008

"Amid scarce global supplies of rice and soaring demand, rice on the Chicago Board of Trade rose more than 2 percent to the maximum allowed in one day, as investors poured more money into food and fuel-based commodities. . .

With poorer nations struggling to find supplies, the Asian Development Bank criticized rice export bans, saying governments should instead use fiscal measures to help the poor. . .

Corn futures also rose as wet weather slowed the pace of American corn planting. The U.S. Department of Agriculture said American farmers had planted only 4 percent of the corn crop, well below the average seeding rates of nearly 20 percent. Chicago corn for May delivery jumped 14 cents per bushel to $5.94 per bushel.

"Corn is purely up on the planting progress report of only 4 percent -- the last time we saw that was 1993, and that was a flood year," said Terry Reilly, analyst for Citigroup."


You won't see this kind of analysis in the U.S. media - instead we get garbage like Paul Krugman's "Grains Gone Wild" piece in the NYT - and the subtext there is not about starvation or food scarcity, it is "party times are here for those who own commodity shares".

Seriously - isn't that exactly what that sexy catchy title points to? The Princeton Faculty Dining Room isn't hurting for food, I imagine. That's a funny place - the servants are all black, dressed in colonial era outfits, and the faculty are white and refined. Holy Weirdness, Princeton...

Henry Kissinger was right: the only reason to read the U.S. press is to find out what propaganda is being fed to the American public. Then the question becomes: why did they run with that particular propaganda line?

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I Hope...
Posted by: Wacre on Apr 23, 2008 12:14 PM   
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that this doesn't surprise anyone. I mean, we have no manufacturing base to speak of–any longer–in this country. It has been decided that our country would be reliant upon service industries and information technologies, so we essentially let our manufacturing plants make their home in places like Mexico.

This is why treaties like NAFTA are such a bitter pill for most of us. What they primarily do is to make it easier, more convenient to ship jobs overseas; good for companies, bad for people. Personally, if I were president I would add tariffs on any product made by an American company that shipped jobs and factories overseas (it almost goes without saying that you tax foreign products higher than American ones, though at a lower rate than American companies that attempt to have their cake and eat it too), making it more expensive to ship jobs overseas. This would have to happen with reforming our agricultural sector and significantly weakening the influence of agribusiness.

Some would call some of the measures I listed above protectionist. I call them preserving (or in our case rebuilding) our manufacturing base. Sure, some products would be more expensive, but as a whole American would be much better off.

This is an aside, but a primary reason I cannot in good conscience vote for Hillary Clinton. She may not have been the motivating force behind NAFTA, but for her to now come out as if she were so against it is like closing the barn after the horses have already left.

Let's be clear here: I am not saying that there's some guy in a grey Nehru jacket, stroking a cat that rests upon his knee, plotting to bring down the United States. What I am saying is that government's actions as a whole seem to indicate that it believes that some of our population are 'disposable'. Which means that if you are a person of color, and you're male, a visit to a jail cell for an indeterminate length of time is probably in your future. If you're white, and you're poor or middle class, your options get progressively worse as the years pass.

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It's the New World Order..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Apr 23, 2008 12:21 PM   
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It's The New World Order..

See Bilderberg Group..

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I don't know
Posted by: foreverhope on Apr 23, 2008 12:45 PM   
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I am on the west coast and there is no sign of a food shortage or rationing, none at all anywhere. The grocery stores are very well stocked, it is paying for it that is difficult and that is only going to get much much worse. I truly fear for this country. Families losing homes, pet shelters are overwhelmed, people giving up pets due to foreclosures, children's lives upended.

And McPAIN talks about balancing the budget by cutting 'waste' or 'entitlements', another way to say screw the poor and the middle class, who cares if they eat, who cares if they are starving or schooled, too bad if they can't afford health care.

Yesterday I had to get my prescription filled. The old grocery store, neighborhood store with a pharmacy and the only one within several miles, was relocated. I went looking for it, thinking surely the new store wasn't far from the old one. I was so wrong.

I finally found the relocated store, miles away now, and a glorious stupendous one it is. GIGANTIC, flashy, buy anything from a lawn hose to school clothing and groceries, pharmacy, etc. Lots of REALLY REALLY expensive foods, gourmet cheeses, up scale deli meats etc etc. When it was a neighborhood store it was pretty ordinary, now it is goumet, lovely but sure not affordable.

WORST PART!! It is away from ANY neighborhoods, no one can WALK there, no one can BIKE there, ONE bus goes there!

So a small grocery store that served many neighborhoods has been relocated to the middle of no place, it is all industrial, and not even the employees can walk to work, not a single one of them, and I have to drive many miles further to get the prescriptions.

At a time when the housing market is not soft but crashing, with gas so expensive, my city did this. So damn stupid I was cursing all the way home, and the old neighborhood grocery store will become a church or a coat store, great. It will be very hard on the surrounding neighborhoods, all lower or middle incomes.

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» Go farther East... like Haiti Posted by: fanny666
» RE: I don't know Posted by: donl51
Josh, this is why your ex-girlfriend accuses you of focusing on negative crap.
Posted by: fanny666 on Apr 23, 2008 1:41 PM   
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What about the good things? The highest ranking military officer to openly oppose an attack on Iran just resigned, clearing the way for a brand new war on Iran.

Haven't you ever heard of the military Keynesianism brand of trickle-down? This could solve all of those problems.

Negative Nelly.

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We Are Enslaved
Posted by: chlamor on Apr 23, 2008 3:03 PM   
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Debt is a big scam and permeates every aspect of our lives and keeps us all trapped.

We are awash in fear mongering to the point that we are all half-crazed.

The government is owned lock stock and barrel by corporations.

All of the politicians are a bunch of blood sucking vampires.

We are enslaved. We really, actually are. Walking and driving around and shopping blah blah is all window dressing. We are in prison. It is a big prison. "Seal the borders" for security? Hah. We are being sealed in.

We are in crazy land here, and ANYTHING we do to break out of that is worthwhile - almost nothing is happening to break out of it now - and we have absolutely nothing to lose.

People here are miserable - they are in pain and suffering.

We are intentionally being kept sick, demoralized, and fearful.

We can't see the trouble we are in, because we have nothing to compare to.

The national political discussion is a joke.

The Republican party politicians should all be tarred and feathered and run out of town.

The Democratic party politicians should all be tarred and feathered and run out of town.

America is a society gone completely mad. We live in a big prison. It is pathetic. Fear keeps us locked in. We are so saturated with fear, that it would not be off the mark to say that fear is the only thing happening here, and that anything else is ruthlessly suppressed and punished. And we are all trustees. Anyone refusing the role of trustee is isolated and viewed and treated as a pariah. That is not to say that we cannot overcome this - not in the least. We have to fight, though, every hour of every day and break the spell.

Demoralization coupled with fear - all of the thinking and speaking around us everyday is just laced with those two.

Let's smash it up. Let's never rest until we do. Nothing else is anything but a waste of time.

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» RE: We Are Enslaved Posted by: mnatra
» RE: We Are Enslaved Posted by: nfamous
Optimism vs. Pessimism vs. Realism?
Posted by: drricklippin on Apr 23, 2008 3:18 PM   
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It seems that a fundamental debate I have been having with intelligent friends and family over the past decade in particular boils down to those who perceive/expect a pessimistic future verses those who believe "these crises are nothing new, rather "same old-same old", and that America is forever resilient"?

Regrettably those who are joining the pessimistic ranks are growing recently. So the "all we have to fear is fear itself folks" are diminishing in ranks.

Yet in 1985 I came up with the phrase "OPTIMISM IS A MORAL IMPERATIVE" implying that we must try to be optimistic despite all the evidence to the contrary.

But my moral belief in optimism should not blind us to realities as revealed by the data. And with the quality data in hand we must be solution oriented and not just bemoan our fate.

Thxs Josh Holland

Be Well,

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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» Yes, they do. Posted by: fanny666
If you have to ask
Posted by: donl51 on Apr 23, 2008 4:56 PM   
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Turn over and go back to sleep!

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The compost has hit the fan folks
Posted by: pangolin on Apr 23, 2008 5:19 PM   
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We have hit the perfect storm.

Peak Oil
Financial Collapse
Global Warming-Do NOT go to the Cryosphere Today web site.
Loss of Job Base
Health Care system collapse
Political Cluelessness- can we say "clean coal" for campaign contributions; you bet we can.

Bend down between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye because nobody in charge has a clue.

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» RE: Incomptence NOT Conspiracy Posted by: drricklippin
» RE: Familiarize yourself with Posted by: boydranchitos
CommonDreamer
Posted by: CommonDreamer on Apr 23, 2008 7:10 PM   
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A well engineered total collapse of trust, morals, and the economy - by this plutocratic, amoral, mercenary and most of all, anti-family values cabal - all voted in inexplicably by America. When the second chance came to throw the bums out and it wasn't done, I knew this was the end - that they would have four more years to bring everything to ruin - and they have. And now I hear about voters doing flip flops if one Democrat wins the nomination over another? If you do this, you are as much to blame for the downfall of America as anyone. Any Democratic candidate - no matter what - is a thousand times better for us than another 4 years of plutocratic trickle up economics with an amoral and divisive government that cares only about the GNP, not about the people or the quality of their lives.

Whatever the case, the end game is no surprise. It is the culmination of deluded selfishness, anti-government actions (weakening of the FDA, the CDC, consumer protections, unions, the people - everything under the sun). And now you have serfdom working for the corporatocracy/lootocracy - letting them get away with millions of dollars while you lose your homes, while the "nanny state" so derided by the right is all to happy to bail out Bear Stearns so the big shots can walk away with millions and you, the consumer get a $300 rebate check for them making you broke. I'd say that's just enough to help you move out of your over-inflated and overpriced home they convinced you you could afford with your depressed wages and working two jobs at that.

If you vote heuristically - protest vote - against your own party, then we will have more destruction than you ever imagined. So if your candidate doesn't win...life isn't perfect...this is not a just cause to bring us to ruin again by voting for the other party.

If this is the level of thinking we have come to, we are truly a crazy country and we will have to endure a continual endless downfall.

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» RE: CommonDreamer Posted by: 24&somuchmore
» RE: CommonDreamer Posted by: Brooklynbrenda
I take the Life Expectancy Drop with a Grain of Salt
Posted by: Gravitas on Apr 23, 2008 8:25 PM   
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My guess would be that it is sponsored by Pharma. Any study that rants about obesity and blood pressure usually is. The truth is life expectancy is still increasing for most of the population. That doesnt fit with Pharma's unfounded health warnings. They have to have some numbers to fit their marketing scare tactics. So they found life expectancy among the poorest women is declining. Duh! One of the biggest predictors of early death is lack of health insurance and it is outrageous to blame lifestyle. . I am not arguing the point that our standard of living will decline dramatically. I just think people should not accept every study uncritically. I also don't think it is necessary to buy into Pharma's agenda to see the writing on the wall.

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Scalia Alito hands at work
Posted by: compu on Apr 23, 2008 11:36 PM   
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We do know who's the enemy,the problem
are the blue collars exposed to the gop
canards and their noise machine.
Some values at the suprem court.
Google:
Lilly Ledbetter was almost 60 years old and

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