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Troops Try To Give Iraqis Religion

Posted by Spencer Ackerman, Attackerman at 4:44 AM on May 30, 2008.


US Soldiers are trying to convert Iraqis to Christianity.
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KITTY HAWK, NC — My friend the award-winning journalist Colin Asher points me to this horrifying McClatchy story:

At the western entrance to the Iraqi city of Fallujah Tuesday, Muamar Anad handed his residence badge to the U.S. Marines guarding the city. They checked to be sure that he was a city resident, and when they were done, Anad said, a Marine slipped a coin out of his pocket and put it in his hand.

Out of fear, he accepted it, Anad said. When he was inside the city, the college student said, he looked at one side of the coin. “Where will you spend eternity?” it asked.

He flipped it over, and on the other side it read, “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16.”

“They are trying to convert us to Christianity,” said Anad, a Sunni Muslim like most residents of this city in Anbar province. At home, he told his story, and his relatives echoed their disapproval: They’d been given the coins, too, he said.

How desperately we need this story to be untrue. MNF-I says, inauspiciously, “Local commanders are investigating since the military prohibits proselytizing any religion, faith or practices.” Far far far more comforting would be a flat denial. For the Iraq war to actually take on the overtones of a Christian crusade — in any way, shape of form — would herald an ever-greater disaster that would be difficult to reverse. The Iraq war will be hard enough to cauterize — think of it as a self-inflicted national wound — without millions of Muslims having evidence of U.S. forces trying to get them to no longer be Muslims.

In interviews, residents of Fallujah repeated two words — “humiliation” and “weakness”.

“Because we are weak this is happening,” said a shop owner who gave his name as Abu Abdullah. “Passing Christianity this way is disrespectful.”

Please let this not be true. How could MNF-I not have any training in place to tell soldiers and Marines not to proselytize?

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Isn't That Special
Posted by: QQOblivion on May 30, 2008 7:27 AM   
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Yeah, the way the Americans have been treating the Muslims of Iraq SSSOOO endears the Iraqis to the Christian way of life -- all that supposed love for one's fellow human-beings and that biblical crap that the US troops take to heart every time they mass-murder innocent Iraqis, rape, violently deal with innocent Iraqi families during raids, stuff like that.

But come to think of it, Christianity has ALWAYS been forced on people by violence throughout world history. And that force has often succeeded in converting large numbers of people into followers of Jesus Christ, like it or not. Maybe the US troops see themselves as Crusaders or as Conquistadors. For the total humiliation of yet another entire society is almost complete.

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NOTHING AGAINST RELIGION
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 30, 2008 8:03 AM   
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But I think we could win more hearts and minds with some electricity and drinking water. Iraq already has religion. ANNA

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» Well said . . . Posted by: Scientz
NOTHING AGAINST RELIGION
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 30, 2008 8:03 AM   
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But I think we could win more hearts and minds with some electricity and drinking water. Iraq already has religion. ANNA

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Here we go again
Posted by: andrushka on May 30, 2008 8:49 AM   
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telling other people from different religion and culture what to believe. American values, perhaps?... Christianity American style? soooo
human and full of compassion... For God's sake leave other people alone. This Government has done enough damage already. Do I have to remind the Americans, that Iraqi culture -which the US are ruthlessly ruining - is so much older than that of the US.

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At the risk of being rude
Posted by: Lauren on May 30, 2008 10:22 AM   
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I told you so.

Can we impeach him yet? Say yes.

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» Unfortunately Lauren . . . Posted by: Scientz
This is all according to Ann Coulter's plans
Posted by: fanny666 on May 30, 2008 10:59 AM   
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"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

-Ann Coulter

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» RE: Awww, she left out Posted by: Plexius2
» RE: Awww, she left out Posted by: Lauren
The man you subvert from Islam is a dead man.
Posted by: Kuressaare on Jun 2, 2008 5:37 AM   
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I say "man," I suppose the ignorant might approach a woman, shows as much sagacity. I am intimately caught forever in the 1915 (and many times before) Ottoman massacres of the
Armenians (world's oldest Christian church), them and the Greeks and the Nestorian Christians. The great do- gooders and the bible societies, the congrgationalists and presbyterian churches of the U.S. in particular, in their ingnorance sent "missionaries" to the Ottoman Empire, which was most of the Muslim world, with only remnants of the Armenian,
Byzantine, Georgian, Jewish (Sephardic Jews found their geatest welcome and safety in Istanbul after 1492, expelled from Spain), where they still thrive and still speak the "Sephardic (Spanish)" Jewish language: it is easy to undersand to anyone who speaks Spanish, very similar to Latin American and Andalusian Spanish, with a small number of Hebrew words, compared with Ashkenazic or Yiddish, as we know it. By chance, the foundations for the Jewish communites in both Seattle and Vancouver, Canada, are sephardic.

Missionaries arrived only to learn for the first time that converting any Muslim would result in the latter's execution, the penalty for apostasy (leaving the faith) is death. The missionaries did not even know that. So they turned their mercies on the already Christian peoples, I think one insult at least that will never be forgiven. The Ottomans took note, and as the missionaries established more and more schools and churches, the Turks decided these people were a threat to the Empire, so one year after WWI broke out, so did the massacres. Also called holocaust before the Jews decided that was "their" word. By any word, the Turkish massacre of 1.5 million Armenians alone out of 2 million I think puts them way ahead of the Nazis. And it was done with sabres and butchery in the streets and roads, not in "private" hells such as Auschwitz.

So now the ignorant imvaders in Iraq are going to repeat this? Someone someday has to decide that the U.S. must learn and act upon what it learns. It does not seems to. In fact, they just again in the U.S. congress after more than 90 years refused again to recognise the massacre of 1915. We don't need to ask about 1908, 1898, and on and on. Very clever.

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ALL religions are caused by insanity. End all of them.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Jun 2, 2008 5:25 PM   
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Religion is caused by any one or more of about half a dozen mental illnesses.
The truth about religion can be found in these books:

"The Neuropsychological bases of god beliefs" Dr. Michael A. Persinger MD,
psychiatrist 1987 "Religious people are just like my temporal lobe patients"

"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind" Julian
Jaynes Professor, Harvard University 1976 "Religious people are just like
schizophrenic patients"

"The Psychiatric Interview in Clinical Practice" Roger A. MacKinnon, M.D.,
Robert Michels, M.D. W. B. Saunders Co. 1971 "Religiosity is a common
symptom [of] schizophrenic patients"

"The God delusion" by Richard Dawkins. "Religion is caused by a kind of
computer virus that infects the living computer, the human brain."

"The Science of Good and Evil" by Michael Shermer, 2004 "Morality and Ethics
are now in the jurisdiction of Science and greatly improved thereby."

Many books in the new science called "Sociobiology": Morals and ethics are
instinctive and they evolved.

"God: The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger Scientific proof that god does
not exist.

"The God Part of the Brain" by Matthew Alper 1996. "The USA is anomolusly
religious because many early founder groups were religiously insane and fleeing
prosecution in Europe. Religion is a genetic disorder."

"The Accidental Mind" by David J. Linden, 2007 Belknap Press of Harvard
University Press. Religion is caused by the extreme klugeyness of the "designed"
by evolution brain. In particular, the narrative creation system cannot be turned
off. It generates false narratives that are believed by the generating person. This is
seen in experiments done in the laboratory. This book has the best explanation of
resistance to evolution: "There has also been an assumption that if one accepts the
idea that life developed without divine intervention, it necessarily follows that all
aspects of religious thought must be rejected. Those who take this line of
argument to extremes argue that when religious thought is rejected moral and
social codes will degenerate and "the law of the jungle" will be all that is left. It is
imagined by religious fundamentalists that those who do not share their particular
religious faith are incapable of leading moral lives." These suppositions are not
true many times over. Linden later mentions that the creationists [intelligent
design advocates] are exactly 180 degrees wrong rather than just a little wrong.
Being exactly wrong, they are unable to unlearn their error. See Sociobiology or
Sciobio.

"Scientists Confront Intelligent Design and Creationism" edited by Petto &
Godfrey, 2007. The ID and creationist crowd are trying to do away with science.
They see science as a "godless religion." Science is a process, not a religion.

"Manufacturing Belief" by Lewis Wolpert
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05/15/lewis_wolpert/

"The End of Faith" and "Letter to a Christian Nation" by Sam Harris

"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon", by Daniel Dennett
Let's do scientific research on religion and find out what causes it.

"Origins of the Modern Mind" by Merlin Donald 1991 "So what did you expect
from a brain that is based on the Chimpanzee brain?

"Atheism, A Case Against God" by George Smith

"God is not Great; how religion poisons everything" by Christopher Hitchens, 2007

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Religion is a racket/scam
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Jun 2, 2008 5:37 PM   
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As a sophomore undergraduate student in Physics, your homework in Probability
and Statistics class may include figuring out when the second coming would be
required, assuming that the bible was 100% true in the year zero. That is, when
would the bible be down to 50% true? The popular and professors' answer in
1965 was the year 500. The true answer: A friend of mine was born and raised in
Budapest, Hungary. As an adult, he came here and stayed. After 25 years, he
visited his home town of Budapest. He was unable to communicate with his high
school classmates because the Hungarian language had changed so much. The
correct answer is less than 25 years. The first gospel was not written down until
50 years after the alleged events and then in a different language. The people who
told the story were at about the same level of civilization as "wild Indians", I mean
Native Americans before Columbus got here. We have all played or seen played
the game called "Telephone" in which a story is passed down a line of re-tellers.
By the Sixth re-telling, the story has no resemblance to the original. The gospel
story had to have been re-told at least 6 times before it was mis-translated the first
time. [Note that whoever wrote it down the first time was free to write whatever
he wanted to. The storytellers were illiterate and unable to check his written text
by reading it. Besides that, he wrote in Greek rather than Aramaic.] Conclusion:
There is no truth anywhere in the bible, and there never was. There is no way to
know what "jesus" or "mohammed" or any other such character actually said or
did.

ALL of the jurisdictions that were formerly in the jurisdiction of religion have
been taken over by Science. There is no longer a need to debate the issue.
Religion is an unfortunate side effect of having evolved from a chimpanzee-like
animal in a very brief 6 or 7 million years. "God" will not save us from the
consequences of global warming or an asteroid impact or a tornado because there
is no such critter as "god.". Ethics and morality are instinctive, not derived from
religion. Female instinct has greater force in morality than male instinct because
the female is in command of the sexual encounter. Look up "Sociobiology". The
origin of the Universe is the subject of Cosmology which is part of astronomy
which is part of the science of physics.
Religion is a SCAM. ANY religion, there are 10,000 to choose from at any one
time. People keep inventing new religions [for the benefit of the "prophet," of
course] and forgetting other religions. ALL preachers, priests, imams, rabbis,
iatolas, etc. belong in jail for "grand theft, bunko type".

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