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"History Will not Judge this kindly" -- Torture Was Approved at Highest Levels of Bush Admin

Posted by Pam Spaulding, Pam's House Blend at 8:14 PM on April 10, 2008.


What we long suspected, confirmed -- did a war crimes tribunal just get closer?

Bush's Torture U.S.A -- they all knew.

You'll find out the one member of the administration who made the above statement below the fold. It's hard to find any words to describe how sick this is. The ABC headline says it all: "Top Bush Advisors Approved "Enhanced Interrogation".

In dozens of top-secret talks and meetings in the White House, the most senior Bush administration officials discussed and approved specific details of how high-value al Qaeda suspects would be interrogated by the Central Intelligence Agency, sources tell ABC News.


... The high-level discussions about these "enhanced interrogation techniques" were so detailed, these sources said, some of the interrogation sessions were almost choreographed -- down to the number of times CIA agents could use a specific tactic.

The advisers were members of the National Security Council's Principals Committee, a select group of senior officials who met frequently to advise President Bush on issues of national security policy. At the time, the Principals Committee included Vice President Cheney, former National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell, as well as CIA Director George Tenet and Attorney General John Ashcroft.

I guess it's bye-bye to that VP fantasy, Condi. Below the fold, there was only one member of that committee who had any reservations about the path of torture they were taking.

Our suspicions that these weren't renegade sadists at Abu Ghraib acting without any info from the highers-up, or that the closest advisers weren't aware of torture methods - no these closest advisors to Dear Leader were deciding how detainees were to be slapped, pushed, deprived of sleep or waterboarded. And he, as he has reminded us repeatedly, is The Decider. Needless to say, the White House has no comment.

If you can believe this, John Ashcroft had a minor blip of conscience on the radar.

Then-Attorney General Ashcroft was troubled by the discussions. He agreed with the general policy decision to allow aggressive tactics and had repeatedly advised that they were legal. But he argued that senior White House advisers should not be involved in the grim details of interrogations, sources said.

According to a top official, Ashcroft asked aloud after one meeting: "Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly."

Are any of these people going to end up in the clink for this?

You must read the detailed DKos diary, Memo Signed By Bush, ALLOWING TORTURE, Surfaces.

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Pam Spaulding blogs at Pam's House Blend.


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Lawyers for Gitmo detainees endorse Obama
Posted by: foreverhope on Apr 10, 2008 9:07 PM   
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Naomi Wolf is the author of The End of America (Chelsea Green) and the co-founder of the American Freedom Campaign.


What is leadership? Leadership means getting out in front of where people are and waking them up. Right now, given these violent possible threats to us and our families, we are sleeping.

Which is why I am formally coming out of the closet with my support for Senator Barack Obama. Of all the candidates running now, he is the leader on understanding the threat to the Constitution and actually taking action, not just mouthing soundbites, on the need to deny torturers space in our nation and to restore the rule of law.

"Lawyers for Gitmo detainees endorse Obama," read a recent headline on the Boston Globe's political blog. In the article, reporter Charlie Savage notes that "More than 80 volunteer lawyers for Guantanamo Bay detainees today endorsed Illinois Senator Barack Obama's presidential bid. The attorneys said in a joint statement that they believed Obama was the best choice to roll back the Bush-Cheney administration's detention policies in the war on terrorism and thereby to 'restore the rule of law, demonstrate our commitment to human rights, and repair our reputation in the world community.'"

The lawyers who signed this letter -- prominent names on the list included Washington lawyer Thomas Wilner, retired federal appeals court judge John Gibbons, and retired Rear Admiral Donald Guter, who was the Navy's top JAG officer from 2000 to 2002 -- applauded Obama for having stood up in 2006 against aspects of the Military Commissions Act. Unfortunately, his fight was ultimately unsuccessful -- which is why we are all still in danger. But unlike other candidates he truly fought and he understood the nature of the danger: "When we were walking the halls of the Capitol trying to win over enough Senators to beat back the Administration's bill, Senator Obama made his key staffers and even his offices available to help us," the lawyers wrote. "Senator Obama worked with us to count the votes, and he personally lobbied colleagues who worried about the political ramifications of voting to preserve habeas corpus for the men held at Guantanamo. He has understood that our strength as a nation stems from our commitment to our core values, and that we are strong enough to protect both our security and those values. Senator Obama demonstrated real leadership then and since, continuing to raise Guantanamo and habeas corpus in his speeches and in the debates."

Remember: when activists started to push hard to raise awareness of the dangers of torture and indefinite detention, many on the Hill were scared to join the fight because it was then politically unpopular. But to me, if you are not really against torture -- always and under every political change in climate, and let us note that former torture victim and prisoner of war John McCain shamefully dropped his fight against the torture loopholes in the law as well -- then you are not really, in my view, fit to be an American President.

Gender has nothing to do with it. Race has nothing to do with it.

Integrity has something to do with it.

That is why Barack Obama has my vote. Of all the leading candidates, he is the only one on these issues who has consistently acted like a true American.

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"History will not judge this kindly"
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Apr 10, 2008 10:27 PM   
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No shit, Sherlock.

Trial, conviction, execution - the only course of action these sorry fucks deserve.

jdfu!

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The question of torture or not is the wrong question.
Posted by: common intelligence on Apr 10, 2008 10:34 PM   
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The question to get an understand to is why?

I'm saying that we have never been told the questions that are being asked of those tortured, except maybe "...where's Osama".

But again the question we should be asking is what does the US (Bush & CO.) want to know? Like that of Saddam Hussein, as we know did have dealings with the US. He very well coud have been a vital witness against Bush and Co. After all they are guilt we all know.

Therefore It has always seemed to me the only reason to gather information that is to damned important must be to KIll the evidence.

With Saddam out of the picture now the Power elete has nothing to fear of links back to them of the corruption that was and still is being played out by the seemingly unaccountable Bush administration.

All these Leaders are in league with each other and they hate the idea that they will be found out and their links be made public evidence at their trials for crimes against humanity. Such as, how is it the enemies have an endless supply of weapons? Come on, they aren't getting all these weapons from Siria and Iran other wise we could stop it. Amn, we bombed every weapons manufacturing plant in Germany in WWII.

I believe we have all been strategicly lead to focus on the "enemy" and "torture" as the evil activities that we can't imagine. and that it may very well be to hide the reason for torture. Even the torturers questioning of prisoners don't know what the end game reason is for.

There is no reason that makes more sense or a reason to torture other than to hide the guilty. I mean really, why did we hand over Saddam to the puppet governement that can't even take care of their own country, to try Hussein where he could never get a fair trial.
Why don't Americans get news from Iraqies themselves and their testimonies on their heart felt thoughts? The same as why we Americans don't get our words heard!

What is the harm of seeing that Habeus Corpus is not a universal right? The answer is to hide the truth from the world.

Personally I have no trust in the Righteousness of the US Government at all.

When the media and Power machine speak of America and Iraq they are not talking about the people and their thoughts, they are conveying the Governemnts to Governments.

We the People have nothing to do with it.

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History
Posted by: Dboy on Apr 10, 2008 11:26 PM   
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This band of criminals doesn't even care about NOW, so why would they care about HISTORY? Remember, they "make their own reality". Sadly, the Nazi's pretty much got away with their crimes, and the Bush crowd will as well. This regime was just the opening action in a long-term march towards fascism. If history DOES judge these people harshly, it won't be in the government-generated history books.

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Last seen
Posted by: talkville on Apr 11, 2008 1:48 AM   
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Mr History, relaxing comfortably on a veranda at the Bush Estate in South America, sipping on a cool refreshing Pina Colada and deeply engrossed in reading "The Idiot" by Dostoevsky.

He's not much needed right now; he's awaiting his call until all the Principal Doers are safely out of reach.

For now, all we've got to go on is Mr Reason and Mr Sanity, but they're wearing suspenders, and seem to be going to the bathroom and excusing themselves at the drop of a hat. And Mr Justice seems more interested in driving around in his brand-new Jag and seems singularly lackadaisical and inattentive to current events -- he must be bored!

I guess we'll have to wait for Mr History, but right now he doesn't seem to interested; he's way too HAPPY and living quite well from the proceeds of his hedge-funds.

The whole country seems to be converting into a mental health facility!!

It's Torture. They fantasized it; they joked amongst themselves about it; they parsed it and they played around with different ways of carrying it out; and they ACTED on it; that makes it history NOW that must judge. Call that guy quick and bring him to his duty post-haste! A Constitutional Government ACTS in the NAME of the PEOPLE. And all these guys (and gals) have made us and are still now making us TORTURERS -- direct or by proxy, willing or un-willing.

Where is the Supreme Court? Where are the Lower Courts? Where is the ABA? Where is Congress? Where is the White House? I don't dare ask where the Pentagon is!! Where ARE we? And what, exactly, does "Civilization" mean???

Or is all this just an infernal "Derridean Text", some "Grand Narrative", some "Story" that we'll re-wind, edit, erase, re-construct and make new and improved "when History judges"?

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Wolf and Her Choice
Posted by: joze46 on Apr 11, 2008 1:58 AM   
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Good arguement Naomi Wolf talked about in her video. But. the wrong choice. Obama in my view will help the fascism core, Bush and Company, that is runing the country helping to spread at greater proportions. Actually, from my view Obama would be a better choice to spread fascism in America than McCain, Or Clinton.

Obama in his book audacity of hope clearly expresses the view that Islamic theocracy is traditionally acceptable in the international arena. We know Islam condems the Jews, Islamic theocracy is embraced rapidly by the black community, and in directly by Obama's mentors the Reverend Wright with links to fascist militants as Louis Farrakan. Here, an incredible horrible connection to open up America's National Security Secrets to Obama and his friends and mentor.

Which, to me is more frighting to risk then a presidency with Hillary Clinton. Plus in my view Hillary Clinton may very well have what is needed to move towards convictions and procecutions at least in issues, that of torture, and that of mercenaries.

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They'll Be In Dubai
Posted by: Betty1950 on Apr 11, 2008 6:56 AM   
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If I remember correctly the Bushes (Daddy & Dipstick) & the Cheneys all have homes in Dubai. So why should they be worrying about prosecution of war crimes? I'm sure they all have their exit strategies.

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HISTORY? history?! what about BILLIONS observing??
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Apr 11, 2008 7:28 AM   
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typical.

worried more about *history* & *posterity* than the billions of non-Americans who have known about the School of the Americas/"Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation"

more worried about what AMERICANS think of AMERICANS than considering that AMERICANS are not exactly the GLOBAL MAJORITY...

...dream on...

Google's new "FEATURE-rich query environment": 'School of the Americas Watch' = MalWare Alert

apparently, Google wants you to know that to LOOK & find out MORE about the Congress-funded, CIA-run torture school will RENDER you electronically blind...

... ...be afraid... the ReichWing likes it that way.

“History is a Weapon”: remember the POPULIST rebellions

Literacy & "A Reformation of the Mind"

F*CK, the documentary, & thoughts on censorship on an MLK anniversary...

thoughts on 'The Fear Factory' : Rolling Stone



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I have a few things to say about this
Posted by: QQOblivion on Apr 11, 2008 8:47 AM   
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Americans, we, WE must make sure history DOES judge these EVIL sadists harshly. Otherwise the mess-media (sic) will help us all forget.
These kind of revelations of Bush administration wrongdoing come out almost EVERY DAY. Yet we soon forget about them because new revelations of wrongdoing obscure our memories. And then there is that massive wrongdoing by the administration we will NEVER find out about!

Still, many Americans think that, hey, it was Clinton who was impeached. Bush and friends never will be because what they did wasn't that bad. If it were criminal, then the Democrats would have done something about it, as partisan as they are...
Damn, Americans are stupid for believing this!

We are talking about TORTURE here, folks. That is what sick fucking sadists do to little girls they tie up and kidnap.

If any particular American -- President Bush, Vice President Cheney, the Republicans in the House and Senate, Joe Jackass in Middle America -- expresses their support for officially sanctioned torture, then I say that that American should be investigated by the FBI as a suspect in any unsolved gruesome crimes committed in their area. That American's yard and basement should be dug up in the search for bodies, their life turned upside-down. Hell, since these Americans who support torture probably don't believe in due-process for tortured "war on terror" detainees, maybe they shouldn't themselves get any due-process in the way they are treated either.
You see, those who support torture are sick twisted monsters, it is certain. I fear them and what they could do to my family.
Polls show a signifiant percentage of Americans (possibly as much as 68%!) actually support torture against "terrorists". How sadistic has America as a whole become where this fact is acceptable in any way?

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gathaiga
Posted by: gathaiga on Apr 11, 2008 9:27 AM   
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War crimes tribunal?? SURELY you jest.

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I Must Be Missing Something
Posted by: KCDC on Apr 11, 2008 10:14 AM   
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I will admit that I have't been following this whole torture thing too closely because I mainly think it's bogus garbage by a bunch of cry baby libs, but I must ask the question: Why is it OK to kill our service men, drag their dead, half nude bodies in the street and disfigure them to the point that their families can't even have an open casket funeral if they wanted to. Yet we can't ask terror suspects, that come over to kill Americans, regardless if we agree with our leadership or not, a couple of questions because their FEELINGS might get hurt? We're wrong how? For the record, I'm not a Bush supporter or think we should be in Iraq, but liberal bull is liberal bull, regardless of how it's presented. We can't ask a couple of questions, but they can kill thousands of people, murder our soliders, chop of heads and other body parts, burn what's left and drag them in the street! Give me a break.

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Ashcroft (and Bush, et.al.), your true religion is showing...
Posted by: seacaptdon on Apr 11, 2008 10:22 AM   
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I find it perversly amusing that Ashcroft made them cover the bare breasted statue of "Blind Justice" because of his "strict religious" views but yet he and the Administration (many of whom claim to be "Christian") and add to this McCain and Hillary Clinton, condone torture and/or deceit and forget what their own "Moral Guidebook" (the Bible) says about true religion... "If anyone considers himself to be religious and yet does not keep a tight reign on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being corrupted by the world [or political power]".

They argue for spending trillions of dollars on an unjustified war in Iraq yet do very little about millions dying in other regions of the world from malaria, starvation, AIDS and other illnesses. For what we spend in one week on the war in Iraq, we could have pretty much wiped out many of the diseases in Africa. This Administration used the evil and immoral acts of Sadam Hussein as a reason to launch war against Iraq, yet turn a blind eye toward much greater acts of genocide and terrorism in the Sudan and Darfur and other regimes/regions of the World.

These guys are all hypocrits and forget that in the end there will be a judgment in which all of their evil deeds will be exposed and condemned, they may even avoid the punishment that they deserve for not but, I believe that one day they will face the judgment of the One that they profess to believe in. But then again as my old pastor used to say.... there is them that profess and them that possess and they ain't necessarily the same.

--from a WASP male

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Tortures
Posted by: auromar on Apr 11, 2008 10:30 AM   
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Those crimes must not be tolerated nor should the architects of those crimes be allowed impunity. Otherwise, we shall all become accomplices of those crimes.

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No surpirse ... but where's the outrage ?
Posted by: rafey on Apr 11, 2008 12:50 PM   
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I would really like to see the kind of outrage necessary to demand a war crimes trial. There appears to be more fear (or is it shoulder shrugs I am seeing) than real motivation toward conviction. At any rate, Kudos to the Gitmo Lawyers !!!

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Re I must be missing something
Posted by: modeler on Apr 11, 2008 1:15 PM   
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Like a brain or may be ethics?

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As long as...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Apr 11, 2008 3:48 PM   
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...the Democrapic and Repukian parties continue to morph into one party, this will never happen. Amerikkka has lost all moral compass.

The only solution I see is to start over with a TRUE progressive party.

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Condi is safe
Posted by: markw4786 on Apr 11, 2008 5:07 PM   
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One would think Condi's association with torture would take her out of the running for vp or any other elected office. Think again.
The pathetic truth of the matter: Amerikan's just don't care. That toaster at Wal Mart is $5.00 off...that is what Amerikans care about. This nation is no longer populataed by citizens but by consumeres. Notice the disinterest concerning the end of habeus corpus. There was hardly a wisper when the shrub stole Florda. Signing staements?...no one knows what you're talking about and if so...SO WHAT!
None of this could have happened these past 8 years without the consent of Amerikans.
How did Hitler take over Germany? The people did not care! and neither do Amerikans.

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I don't have much to add,
Posted by: Longdream on Apr 12, 2008 5:49 AM   
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because eloquent people have come ahead of me and said everything for me.

Except that never in this life did I think that the world-class, fulminating quasi-legal ass that is John Ashcroft would be the one we could point out as offering the only objection, albeit small and self-serving, to the absolute perversion of our justice system, and the bartering of our nation's soul.

I've re-adjusted many times my estimation of the depths of plain human evil which these tin-can soldiers would willingly embrace. This story destroys the idea that anyone in the battalion was unaware of the inhumanity inherent in the policies they unleashed. I will from this day forward find it impossible to believe that they held even the faintest of good intentions toward the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan or the citizens of the United States, nor will I allow that they're even capable of honor, care a fig about justice, or have any relationship at all to the truth.

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Why would anyone . . .
Posted by: covalentbonded on Apr 12, 2008 6:17 AM   
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think that being present at meetings allowing/authorizing torture would disqualify Rice from running as VP candidate? I think that would boost her viability and would be the perfect set-up for the ultimate end-game of the authoritarians (Vulcans indeed)in concealing roles in and preventing prosecution of, illegal activities (torture, pre-emptive war, war-profoteering etc etc). Just think what would happen if Rice was VP and McCain suddenly dies. Think about it and then tell me that Rice is NOT the perfect candidate for McCain's VP. Her entire life has been a study in accomadation with and promulgation of, what could be described as "evil" in the world. It is the path she choose as she decided to wield power.

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'History won't judge us kindly..."
Posted by: surfreality on Apr 12, 2008 6:58 AM   
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As evidenced above alot of us aren't judging kindly NOW. Let's not wait for "history". If our society doesn't come to terms, eliminate and demand accountability for these atrocities masking as policy NOW; then "History" will have plenty to say about that as well.
We gotta call em as we see em or we are no better than they. Silence is complicity.

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Further down the rabbit hole of deceit
Posted by: mystere2 on Apr 12, 2008 7:29 AM   
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Sadly the Bush gang will be publicly outraged, form committees of their fellow criminals and kiss-ups and eventually find whoever reported their crimes guilty of being vaguely anti-American for not mindlessly following the chosen Fearless Leader, The Decider, Mission Accomplisher , on the path to righteousness. The National Socialist dream realized at last.
It will take a lot of Big Lies to hide this truth, but Cheney's up to the job with Patsy McCain's help.

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The judgement of history will be harsh indeed...
Posted by: monkeywrench on Apr 12, 2008 8:24 AM   
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...and not just for those in the White House.

There is, however, one way that history may judge this period somewhat less harshly: if the bastards responsible for Torture USA – Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Gonzales and others – are impeached and/or prosecuted to the fullest extent, and punishment, of the law.

Do I think this will happen? Not a chance; and as much as I like Obama, probably not under his presidency as well, even with 12-14 more Dems in the Senate. The lamentable fact is that Congress is owned, lock, stock, and limo, by the corporate defense industry, and if they don't want trials, and disclosure, because some of them may be tarred by the same brush, then it will not happen.

It will take a popular uprising of substantial proportions to bring about what we so desperately need: another Nuremburg Trial.

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KDC and responders
Posted by: karyse on Apr 13, 2008 8:53 AM   
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I've often wondered how many people who post at this site are 16-years-old or less. I'd like to see alternet put an age limit on posters unless they can pass a test of critical reasoning.

Or maybe, forget about age, and just have a test.

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zorba
Posted by: zorba1 on Apr 13, 2008 8:27 PM   
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The problem of the torture bill bush and cheney pushed and signed is the fact it extends to all Americans.
If we are labeled terrorists or supporters of terrorism by "whom ever" in government, any American citizen can be detained without charge or trial.
Let alone the fact it trashes our constitution.
If we torture what is left to stop other countries from torture?
The UN treaties after WWll barred torture so bush and cheney call it enhanced interrogation.
With the stroke of his pen bush lowered the USA to the level of terrorists.
Any police agency can label any American a terrorist, because of bush and company's torture law, you and I should be very worried, angry and demand change.

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» RE: zorba Posted by: Pax99
TORTURE THE LEAST OF THE CRIMES
Posted by: edgeofnowhere on Apr 18, 2008 11:44 AM   
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I see we are getting all indignant about Bushco's torture policy, and many of the responders are feeling pessimistic about the chances of justice ever sinking her teeth into Dubya's butt. But I find it odd that we can get into a rage against the torture of foreign citizens while ignoring the fact that this administration engineered and perpetrated the 9/11 disaster. OOPS! -- Conspiracy Nut loose on the page! Really folks, why should a bunch of thugs who killed thousands of their fellow Murkins on 9/11 worry about a few silly torture memos?

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Why then hasn't Impeachment been put back on the table?
Posted by: Doubtom on Apr 19, 2008 12:14 AM   
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Let's hear from Pelosi and how "divisive" it would be for the country to undergo the ordeal of impeachment. Such hypocrisy in hiding the craven fear of doing one's job. I hope Cindy Sheehan manages to kick Pelosi out of office, an office for which she is obviously unfit, given the abrogation of the her responsibilities as required by the Constitution.
We have the spectacle of Obama and Clinton shouting "shame on you" to each other over silly breaches of protocol, while the real shameful behavior of Pelosi goes unnoticed or worse yet, excused in the intrest of not dividing the nation--a nation that is already as broken as it has ever been in our entire history.
Pelosi, I don't know who you think you represent but it certainly isn't the people of this country.

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GEORGE BUSH ON HISTORY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 19, 2008 8:13 AM   
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"It doesn't matter. We'll all be dead anyway". His answer to Bob Woodward in an interview. And he meant it. The administration gives no thought to the consequences of their actions. If they did, things would be different. They like the way they are. Problem is that too many Americans are becoming just like them. We have become a cruel society compared to 10 short yrs. ago. The Supreme Court just defined "significant pain". That's frightening. Thanks, ANNA

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