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Can You spot the Difference Between These Two Wounded Children? (An Iraqi Mother Can't)

Posted by Um Thalit, Gorilla's Guides at 12:28 PM on April 10, 2008.


Moral equivalence or moral relativism?

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Spot the difference between these two children:

wounded boy

wounded girl

Did you spot the difference -- it's not the obvious one that one is a boy and one is a girl.

The answer is below the fold:

The difference between the two is that the The girl was wounded in the roadside bombing attack on a bus south of Baqubah. The boy was wounded in one of several American rocket attacks on Sadr city today.

bombing

Can you spot the difference between the child killer who uses a roadside bomb which is a notoriously imprecise weapon without any regard to civilian casualties to achieve his objective and the American child killer who fires a rocket at a densely populated civilian area without any regard to civilian casualties to achieve his objective?

No, neither can I because there is none. The target of that particular airstrike was a school by the way. There is absolutely no difference whatsoever between the two. None. They are both barbarians. Neither of the two types of barbarian are welcome here. I am a mother, I am Iraki, those could be my children, I know plenty of of young mothers whose children have been murdered by the barbarism that America brought here and continues to foster here. Do not expect me to feel even the slightest pity for any American who is here as part of the American war against my children. What I feel is exactly the same as what I feel when I hear that a bomber has been killed. Relief. Relief that that is one less child murdering pig to prey upon my children and satisfaction that a barbarian got what was coming to them.

Um Thalit.

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Um Thalit is an Iraqi blogger with Gorilla's Guides


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Dankhank
Posted by: Dankhank on Apr 10, 2008 2:01 PM   
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This is a powerful, accurate story.

weep for the innocent dead on both sides.

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Wow, Josh.
Posted by: maribelle on Apr 10, 2008 2:14 PM   
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Just...wow.

Thanks for exposing us to some powerful new blogs this week.

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MAGNIFICAT
Posted by: Longdream on Apr 10, 2008 2:28 PM   
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My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord,
my spirit rejoices in God my Savior
for he has looked with favor on his lowly servant.
From this day all generations will call me blessed:
the Almighty has done great things for me,
and holy is his Name.
He has mercy on those who fear him
in every generation.
He has shown the strength of his arm,
he has scattered the proud in their conceit.
He has cast down the mighty from their thrones,
and has lifted up the lowly.
He has filled the hungry with good things,
and the rich he has sent away empty.
He has come to the help of his servant
for he remembered his promise of mercy,
the promise he made to our fathers,
to Abraham and his children for ever.

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» Amen Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Amen Posted by: Longdream
» Amen Posted by: zipoka
» RE: Amen Posted by: Longdream
Got conscience America?
Posted by: PakiBoy on Apr 10, 2008 3:32 PM   
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Murderer! Blood is on your shoulders
Kill I today you cannot kill I tommorow
Murder! Your insides must be hollow
How does it feel to take the life of another

Yes, you can hide from man but not your conscience
You eat the bread of sorrow
Drink the wine of violence
Allowed yourself to be conquered by the serpent
Why did you disobey the first commandment
Walk through the valley I fear no pestilence
God is my witness and He is my evidence
Lift up my eyes from wenth commeth help
You will never escape this judgement

I tell you, all men are created equal
But behind the trigger its a different sequel
Some are murdering people just to collect medals
Stop commiting dirty acts for the high officials
You could wash your hands until you cant wash no more
Its like an epidemic and you won't find a cure
Upper class you could be rich, middle class whether you are poor
Only the righteous won't feel insecure
Have you ever thought about your skill getting bored
- Buju Banton

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All war; all war crimes
Posted by: herbal on Apr 10, 2008 5:13 PM   
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"...do violence to no man." Luke 3:14 kjv

Bush/Cheney is the anti-christ. All soldiers who follow war are anti-christian. Troop supporters are also anti-christian.

Love your enemy

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» RE: All war; all war crimes Posted by: frogman
» RE: All war; all war crimes Posted by: MplsVala
» RE: All war; all war crimes Posted by: the baron
Politicians are not responsible, US citizens are
Posted by: partisan on Apr 11, 2008 1:20 AM   
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This story and these pictures should be printed on a single piece of paper, and a copy handed out to anyone who would take it, tacked to every light pole, put under every windshield wiper.

But those who would do so should go with others, should look over their shoulders, for there are dangerous people in the US: millions who would harm those who spread truth, and millions more who would sympathize with those who would harm the truth tellers, and a vast remainder of the majority of the population who would do absolutely noting to stop those who harm.

After all, if the majority of citizens wanted to have stopped the slaughter of millions in Southeast Asia in the sixties, the majority could have.

And didn't.

If the majority of citizens wanted to have stopped the genocide of children through the siege of Iraq from 1991 to today, they could have.

They haven't and won't.

A handful of politicians are not responsible for the ongoing US slaughter of innocent people. Never have been.

We citizens hire school teachers and if they do harm to children, even other people's children, we don't let them teach anymore. But if we hire politicians and they do harm to children, other people's children, we let them, we re-elect them. We continue to pay them, continue to work for them.

The majority of citizens are responsible for this latest mass murder. Responsible. Not just enablers or accomplices, but responsible. The United States is a nation of murderers. That's right:

The majority of the citizens do not stop but actively aid in the slaughter of others. The majority will vote for continuance of this slaughter by the time the yearly polls close on April 15. The polls that really count. The US is therefore a nation of mass murderers.

Still, if every US citizen saw these pictures, read this story....

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So True
Posted by: curiousdwk on Apr 11, 2008 6:13 AM   
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The point made here is so true. I could never figure out why it seems that it's okay if the US kills people from high up in a bomber where the killer doesn't get to see the carnage, but it's not okay for a sniper or individual on the ground. It makes no sense.

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Another thing these children have in common
Posted by: frogman on Apr 11, 2008 7:16 AM   
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Another thing that these children have in common is that both suffered their injuries because of Muslim savages. It was Muslim savages that planted the roadside bomb and it was Muslim savages who chose to hide amongst and launch their attacks from amongst innocent civilians. Muslim savages are happy to kill their children with roadside bombs and they are happy when we do it inadvertently while trying to kill terrorists.They are happy because Western photographers take pictures and publish them in newspapers and on websites to make Westerners feel guilty. Because unlike Muslims Westerners are capable of feeling guilty. Believe me when I say that deeply regret the suffering of those children. Like most Americans I am horrified at the suffering of children and innocent civilians. And that is the point. Americans, Westerners, are horrified and saddened by the thought of and the sight of the suffering of little children. Muslims are not. They rejoice at the guilt that these images inspire in the West and believe that these sights will weaken our resolve to overcome Islamic terror. Westerners reflect on their acts and question the rightness of them and then we condemn ourselves if we judge that we have done wrong. Muslims do not. Muslims do not reflect on their actions they deny them or blame the West for them. When a Muslim father kills his daughter in an "honor"killing it is the fault of the girl for not following Islam. Or it is the fault of the West for tempting her. It is never the fault of the Muslim murderer who killed her. Muslims do not question their actions. No matter how barbaric, brutal or savage they justify them with a verse from the Koran. When they kill their children or when they place them in harms way so that we will kill them it is the fault of the West that the children are killed. Muslims never share in responsibility. Muslims are always victims. If you doubt the truth of my words or if you think that I exaggerate read the postings of Pakiboy. The blood of those children is on us. Just us. Even the one injured by the roadside bomb planted by Muslim terrorists deliberately to kill civilians. No sense of the reality of shared responsibility for the horrors that both sides are committing there. It's all our fault. I wish that we had never gone into Iraq, never overthrown Saddam. Saddam should have been our best friend just for keeping the savages in check. I wish that we had never gone in to liberate Kuwait ten years ago. From what I've seen of its actions around the world Islam is a horrible religion. As far as I'm concerned all of Islam is not worth a single bead of sweat on the brow of one U S Marine.

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» Absolutely correct! Posted by: chuckjs
» How hideous! Posted by: LeeAnnG
» RE: How hideous! Posted by: frogman
I resigned an aviation officer's commission......
Posted by: Forrest on Apr 11, 2008 7:35 AM   
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I resigned an aviation officer's commission during the Viet Nam War to avoid killing people.

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This is what should be on the news and in every newspaper!
Posted by: 2crazykids on Apr 11, 2008 10:45 AM   
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As much as I cried and cringed at reading this blog and then reading more on Gorillas Guide I cannot understand WHY we don't see THIS on the news!!!! This is the true reality! This is what Americans need to see. They need to see what they have done to these people. This should be shown to congress and get those WAR CRIMINALS impeached already!

These could be MY children.

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Thank you Mr President
Posted by: modeler on Apr 11, 2008 12:57 PM   
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Question is, however, who is the worst terrorist? Seems to me that you qualify!

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» RE: Thank you Mr President Posted by: frogman
» RE: Thank you Mr President Posted by: frogman
Question...
Posted by: JWSmith90291 on Apr 12, 2008 12:16 AM   
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Here's what I'm having trouble with. (Please forgive the question):

You see, I'm having trouble finding the American child killer in your story. You know, the one about the Americans who fired rockets (well, anything for that matter) at a school in Sadr City on April 10-11? (recall you said the target of the attack was a school.)

Which school was it? I'm concerned because there seem to be no on-the-ground news organizations reporting the school story, and the officials in Thawra (Sadr City) don't seem to have any record of an American attack with rockets on any school ANY TIME in April.

Also, are you comfortable saying that the boy in that picture DIED of his wounds? I asked a couple of emergency room trauma doctors to look at the picture, and, you know, what they found odd is that someone would say this boy died. (Child killers, I think was your wording.) They were concerned that the doctors shouldn't have wasted the time casting the boy's leg if he had serious trauma that was life-threatening. (If you check the picture you'll find a well-formed cast on the boy's leg. It's a process that takes longer than any trauma doctor would want to use with a child suffering life-threatening trauma.)

I just want to be sure I'm reading your article correctly.

Concerned.

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» Reading comprehension Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Yes Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Yes Posted by: frogman
» RE: Yes Posted by: fringedweller
» RE: Yes Posted by: frogman
» RE: Yes Posted by: JWSmith90291
» RE: Yes Posted by: JWSmith90291
Translation of Above
Posted by: JWSmith90291 on Apr 12, 2008 12:39 AM   
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اليك ما عندي مشكلة مع. (يرجى اغفر مسألة) :

كنت أنظر ، أنا تواجه مشكلة في العثور على الطفل الامريكى القاتل في قصتك. تعلمون ، واحدة عن الاميركيين الذين أطلقوا صواريخ (حسنا ، اى شيء يتعلق بهذا الامر) في احدى المدارس في مدينة الصدر 10-11 نيسان (ابريل)؟ (تذكر انك قلت الهدف من الهجوم كان مدرسة.)

المدرسة الذي كان عليه؟ انا قلق لان يبدو انه لا توجد على أرض الواقع أخبار المنظمات ابلاغ المدرسة قصة ، والمسؤولين في الثورة (مدينة الصدر) لا يبدو ان لها اي سجل لهجوم اميركي بالصواريخ على اي مدرسة أي وقت في نيسان / ابريل.

ايضا ، هل انت مرتاحه قوله إن الصبى في الصورة ان توفي متأثرا بجروحه؟ سألت اثنين من غرفة الطوارئ صدمة الاطباء لالقاء نظرة على الصورة ، وانت تعرف ، وجدوا ما هو الغريب أن أحدهم يقول هذا الصبى توفي. (تفتك بالأطفال ، واعتقد ان كانت الصيغة الخاصة بك.) اعربوا عن قلقهم بان الاطباء يجب ان لا يضيعوا الوقت الذي الصب الصبي ساقه لو اراد ان الصدمه كانت خطيرة تهدد حياتهم. (إذا وضعت علامة في الصورة ستجد بشكل جيد يلقي على الصبي ساقه. إنها عملية تستغرق مدة اطول من اي صدمات الطبيب سوف تريد استخدامها مع طفل يعاني من الصدمات التى تهدد الحياة.)

أريد فقط ان يكون متأكدا انا القراءة الخاصة بك المادة بشكل صحيح.

المعنية.

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Sorry about above
Posted by: JWSmith90291 on Apr 12, 2008 12:40 AM   
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I was hoping that this site would allow RTL posting, but it doesn't. Please try to ignore the post above.

Sorry 'bout that.

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We are only . . .
Posted by: covalentbonded on Apr 12, 2008 6:51 AM   
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beginning to see the storm clouds on the horizon. The coming storm will have its roots in incidents such as these (along with too many more to individually mention)and we will all get soaked.

The "melt-down" in the financial sector is only the first big drops of rain. You know how the storm starts. Clouds thicken, wind picks up and there is a smattering of big rain drops and then . . . the deluge!

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Shi'a/Sunni
Posted by: Asses of Evil on Apr 12, 2008 5:27 PM   
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I was wondering if that was going to be the difference. Of course Iraqi mothers couldn't tell the difference. No mother should have to tell the difference. Geez we are sowing the seeds of our own destruction over there. Lord have mercy.

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» RE: Shi'a/Sunni Posted by: fringedweller
The school in this report
Posted by: JWSmith90291 on Apr 13, 2008 1:33 AM   
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Everyone

I'll be leaving next week and will be moving in and around the PG area. I'd like to schedule some time in Sadr City to see the school in this report that was the "target" of, presumably, a U.S. airstrike.

Since there will be a few days in the interim during which I will not be able to monitor the thread, would each of you please keep the pressure on to identify the facts of this story as true or false? I really want to know the details of where this school is and whether children were "targeted" by American forces.

I have asked, above, for Josh to have Um Thalit answer this question, since her article as charges that the "target was a school."

So far, I've heard back from several contacts on the ground there and there is no record of such an attack on any school.

I will check back in once there.

Thanks.

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I never did understand, until recently, why a country that
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Apr 14, 2008 4:35 PM   
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...had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11--HAD NO WMDs--was the country that we invaded--instead of the Iraqi next-door neighbors, the SAUDIS--who planned, financed, and carried out 9/11? Bush always knew who committed that atrocity. BUT they're his family friends, so what does he do? Figure that we won't know the difference when he invades THE ONE COUNTRY THAT HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11.

OIL is the ONLY REASON that we're in Iraq. That, and only that. This evil monster at the head of our government, who should long ago have been impeached as a FIRST STEP for lying us into his filthy family vendetta cum oil grab--this piece of garbage who, incredibly, is going to be allowed to finish his presidency because (among other things) "What more harm can he do"? (Seen the price of GAS LATELY, folks??? What do you mean, that's not Bush? Clinton threatened to open the oil reserves back in '98 when the oil companies tried this grab--Clinton smiled and threatened to open the oil reserves. Bush is making sure that's not an option any more. I'm sure that when he's gone we'll also find that there's a lot else wrong in this country.

That's what happens when this country lets people at the highest levels, screw around with our founding principles...in November, everyone in Congress--OUT. Everyone in the Senate--OUT. Cross party lines--find out who protected this president (Lady Nancy Pelosi most of all, she should go home) well, then we'll have spoken loud and clear.

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The universal war
Posted by: Kevin Straw on Apr 15, 2008 4:24 AM   
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If I were to weep for every child in this world with a raw deal, no corner of the globe, no country rich or poor, would be free from my tears. Not least would I weep for the thought that all I can do is to send a little money and vote for the politician least likely to make things worse. The only hope is in international action, in forcing by financial and (where necessary) military sanctions, the greedy, dissolute, cruel, ruthless, and self-absorbed rulers that infest every part of the world, to either change radically or get out.

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