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Joe Biden (!) Obliterated Every Administration Argument About Iraq

Posted by dday, Hullabaloo at 11:00 AM on April 9, 2008.


Might as well gavel these hearings to a close.

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That was a very significant moment at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearings with Amb. Ryan Crocker and Gen. David Petraeus. Joe Biden asked Amb. Crocker where it would be better for American national security interests to eliminate Al Qaeda in Iraq or Al Qaeda along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. Crocker had nowhere to hide with that question. Spencer Ackerman describes the outcome.

Crocker, in an impossible political position -- give the correct answer and humiliate the Bush administration; give the administration's answer and look like a fool -- dodged as much as he could. Then Biden forced him down. Crocker: "I would therefore pick Al Qaeda on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border."

Game over.

Every single argument that the Administration and their lapdogs like John McCain have made or are making break down after that answer. The Ambassdor to Iraq just admitted that Iraq is not the central front in the war on terror. He just admitted that the potential for Al Qaeda to gain a beachhead in Iraq should the United States withdraw is miniscule compared to the already-established beachhead along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. He admitted that the global fight against terror is currently misdirected.

Whether the military is lowering casualties in Iraq or not, or whether political reconciliation is occurring or not, or whether Prime Minister Maliki won in Basra or Muqtada al-Sadr did, none of this is germane given the new information we just received here. We invaded Iraq to attack a group that did not attack us on 9-11, and we are continuing in Iraq and continuing to ignore the group that did attack us. So our policy is being held captive to developments inside Iraq while the terrorist threat that was supposed to be the impetus for this war and occupation in the first place goes on literally unabated.

(Biden's other great achievement was his strong statement that Congressional PERMISSION is needed to make any long-term commitment to Iraq. There were actually cheers in the hearing room after that one.)

You can actually end this hearing right now. We have all the information we need. Joe Biden made the entire Administration policy for 6 years look foolish.

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Get The Word OUT!!!
Posted by: COmac on Apr 9, 2008 12:21 PM   
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Please!

What he had to state there was a PLEA for true patriots to aid our sons and daughters by re-focusing the fight and getting out of Iraq is the first step.

In those six or seven words he tee'd up the big one for Americans that care. His words will not be carried by main-stream media (MSM). These very telling words will only be carried in forums such as this but cut and paste them into an e-mail and send it to everyone you know. Unless we do this than the huge risk he took in stating those words will be for naught. Make his risk, his integrity in taking the risk your call to action.

Don't wait do it now.

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why did he drop out?
Posted by: ZenQuixote on Apr 9, 2008 12:19 PM   
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as the ONLY presidential candidate with the PROPER experience/knowledge/balls...

Rock On J.B.!!!

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» RE: why did he drop out? Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon
» RE: why did he drop out? Posted by: jeanna
Senator Biden also...
Posted by: Quannah on Apr 9, 2008 2:07 PM   
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made Amb. Crocker look foolish when Biden pointed out that Al-Maliki has stronger ties to Iran than Al-Sadr does, which runs counter to what this administration is saying.

Crocker tried to "correct" Biden by telling him, "No, Maliki is not siding with the Badr faction, he is a member of the Dawa Party." To which Biden reminded him that the Badr faction was tied to the Dawa Party, which is tied to Iran.

Biden, in his own great way, with that smile, told Amb. Crocker that he was well aware of who is who in Iraq, and that he wouldn't waste any more time on it.

Biden was definitely a bright spot yesterday in an otherwise dreary showing by Senate democrats. Good for Joe.

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» Just to clarify Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Just to clarify Posted by: Quannah
He's a candy-ass
Posted by: Frank J. Burris on Apr 9, 2008 2:34 PM   
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Sorry if I'm offending any Biden supporters. But why wasn't he challenging the Bush administration on Iraq in 2002 when it mattered?

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» RE:too late the hero Posted by: cwilsondrum
Biden for Sect'y of Defense
Posted by: foreverhope on Apr 9, 2008 5:14 PM   
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Biden is the very best man to sort out the Pentagon et al but can we afford to lose him in the Senate?

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» RE: Biden for Sect'y of Defense Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Biden for Sect'y of Defense Posted by: Frank J. Burris
» RE: Biden for Sect'y of Defense Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Biden for Sect'y of Defense Posted by: Longdream
Biden's pathetically small nod to reality won't end the war
Posted by: yurbud on Apr 10, 2008 10:52 AM   
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Many anti-war blogs and websites are praising Sen. Joe Biden for asking the ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker, whether there was more al Qaeda in Iraq or Afghanistan, and therefore which location is it more important to eliminate them. Crocker was forced to acknowledge that 2+2=4, that al Qaeda is more concentrated on the Afghan Pakistan border.

Big fucking deal.

What a pathetic, pyrrhic victory.

Until he and other Democratic "leaders" in Congress hits big oil’s role in pushing for war & Iraq Oil Theft Law, he is just another worthless hack, pointing out an internal flaw in the Bush propaganda that any fifth grader with decent short term memory could have identified. Biden is pushing for the division of Iraq on ethnic lines, something the vast majority of Iraqis don’t want, and when given a chance to attack the hydrocarbon law Bush is forcing on the Iraqis that gives 88% of their oil income to big oil companies, Biden either feigned ignorance or actually believed the talking points of the Bushies about the oil law that he mindlessly repeated, about the oil law dividing revenue between ethnic groups, which in reality is only a scant few lines in a document tens of pages long.

Iraqis are not fooled by this bullshit. Even the Bush-approved Iraqi parliament is afraid to pass the Hydrocarbon Law because they know they could never walk freely among Iraqis if they did. Big oil has gone to the extent of trying to BRIBE Iraqi PMs to pass the law and they still won't do it.

Despite the news blackout of how big oil lobbied for and plans to profit from the Iraq war, most Americans know the war is about oil. Our elected representatives insult our intelligence when they keep debating the war in terms of fighting terrorism and spreading democracy, neither of which are helped by killing a million Iraqis and thousands of our troops.

To their credit, the British parliament has had an open debate about the role big oil has played and is playing in the Iraq War.

It is a stain on our democracy that no such debate has occurred here, and that we are left applauding when a piece of moral filth like Joe Biden points out a mistake the equivalent of saying Santa Claus lives at the South Pole instead of the North.

By making token efforts at criticizing the war without pulling the pants down on the true motives, Democrats allow the war costing so many of our tax dollars and lives will continue.

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OF COURSE IT IS... THE WHOLE IRAQI THING IS ABOUT OIL.
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Apr 15, 2008 9:34 AM   
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The word on the street goes like this. Big oil intentionally limited Iraq to 3 thousand wells. They were not seen as able to handle that much power responsibily. A constant eye to over production is an absolute necessity if prices are to be kept up. Supposedly, the Iraqi field has another 11 thousand wells that can be developed. They won't do it unless they have a government friendly to their purposes. That is what the Bush government is trying to provide at present. The foolish Iraqis want the oil for themselves. Isn't that just like an Arab to be so greedy that he wants his own oil.

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