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Petraeus: I Need Another Six Months to Determine Whether "We’ve Reached a Turning Point"

Posted by Amanda Terkel, Think Progress at 7:44 AM on January 23, 2008.


These six months appear to be never-ending, and are used by the right wing to constantly beg more time for the war.
Petraeus: I Need Another Six Months To Determine Whether ‘We’ve Reached A Turning Point’

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In the past few months, conservatives such as Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Joe Lieberman (I-CT) have been quick to declare victory in Iraq. In November, McCain said that "we've succeeded militarily." A day later, Lieberman declared that "we are winning" because "we have made progress" in "one of the most remarkable turnarounds in modern military history."

Gen. David Petraeus, however, appeared on NBC this morning and rebutted the declarations of mission accomplished and said that he'll need at least another Friedman Unit before he can make a judgment:

We think we won't know that we've reached a turning point until we're six months past it. We have repeatedly said that there is no lights at the end of the tunnel that we're seeing. We're certainly not dancing in the end zone or anything like that.
These six months appear to be never-ending, and are used by the right wing to constantly beg more time for the war. As The New York Times reported in September, Petraeus recommended to Congress that "decisions on the contentious issue of reducing the main body of the American troops in Iraq be put off for six months."

With timelines like these, U.S. troops might actually be stuck in Iraq for a million years.

Transcript:

ENGEL: But the top U.S. military commanders remain cautious. They say Iraq has not yet reached a turning point and that, without continued American support, the security gains could be lost.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PETRAEUS: We think we won't know that we've reached a turning point until we're six months past it. We have repeatedly said that there is no lights at the end of the tunnel that we're seeing. We're certainly not dancing in the end zone or anything like that.
ENGEL: Do you think the insurgents, the militias, are just waiting out the surge?
PETRAEUS: There may be some who are, but certainly the Al Qaida and related insurgents -- most of those are not. They don't have that luxury. The people have turned against them.
(END VIDEO CLIP)

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Amanda Terkel is Deputy Research Director at the Center for American Progress and serves as Deputy Editor for The Progress Report and ThinkProgress.org at the Center for American Progress.


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Simple as this...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jan 23, 2008 7:00 AM   
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Petraus DOESN'T KNOW. His only solution.. the only one available to him given an admin that will surely listen to nothing else but "stay the course" or "surge the course", as they have listened to nothing else for 6 years is to simply ask for more time extending the Bush policy on Iraq that has been going on since things started to go sideways on this ill-conceived foreign adventure; stall for time and throw some more bodies in the meat grinder until something else causes enough of a change to make getting some sort of handle on this thing possible.

As it stands our military is going to be wrecked for years if not decades once this is all over, even if Bush were to start a draft today.

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» RE: Simple as this... Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Simple as this... Posted by: anna132
Rerun: I posted this last night in drug reporter, local lawmakers and disrespect
Posted by: Lauren on Jan 23, 2008 7:00 AM   
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Comments on Mary Piepho.

- Pleasant Hill

Mary Piepho and Susan Bonilla have a big thing against a perfectly reasonable business operation, medical marijuana dispensaries. I believe it is religious discrimination.

They ignore the needs of sick and dying people and refuse to listen to my assertions regarding their religious prejudices. I am a Sufi, a kind of eastern religious leader. Marijuana is the sacrament of my church.

Today I dropped a copy of the Rasta Testimonial from my church, the THC Ministry, to Supervisor Piepho's office in Martinez. I had a second to talk to her in the hall.

Wow! Her obvious prejudice, hatred even of sweet little old Hippie mama me, was actually notable. Her words were also threatening, I looked around to see the sheriffs smirking at me.

I commented on it to a TV 7 reporter who gave me her card, (I was actually on FOXN last week, I am moving up.)

I would like to know what church Mary Piepho goes to. I need to talk to her minister about the discrimination she and Susan are visiting upon me and my people.

Because she is an elected official and she directs the Sheriffs office police forces to hurt and hunt us, and they do this based on the racial and religious prejudices that they share against us; I believe this fills the actual description of torture from the United Nations charter.

We could press charges, or we could file a class action suit against her and the county. Call me if you are interested in joining either of these actions.

Mary Piepho MUST be replaced. We need someone reasonable to run against her. If you are interested in any of these projects, or know someone who is, or are interested in joining the THC Ministry, please call me.

If you are into politics and want to see some major changes, I am in the phone book, give me a call.

Posted by Lauren Unruh, a resident of another community,

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themanwithadog
Posted by: the man with a dog on Jan 23, 2008 7:30 AM   
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What General Betrayus needs is a reality check

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» RE: themanwithadog Posted by: Lauren
» RE: themanwithadog Posted by: Doubtom
Time what about money?
Posted by: warrior woman on Jan 23, 2008 7:55 AM   
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So he's asking for time and more troops. What about money? What about the connections between our economy and this war?

We can not sustain an indefinite war, our money is running out. Yesterday's 3/4 point rate reduction has put the markets at ease, for a little while. It bought us a little time. But, what is wrong with our economy is not only a sub-prime mortgage crisis. Our economy has been systematically stripped of jobs, income, taxes, etc from not only the Republicans but the Democrats as well, if for nothing else, they go along and don’t take a strong stand on anything anymore.

Adding a tax rebate is not going to help this economy when 9-12 billion dollars a month goes to the Iraq war/occupation. Money is being drained from the US Treasury that should be diverted to education, healthcare, energy alternatives, transportation infrastructure and the like. While we do not tend to these vital interests, it will assert itself as it has in the economy.

We do not have a surplus to rely upon as we did after 9/11. We now owe incredible debt to foreign countries the like of China and the Middle East. We have a war that is draining our economy all the while we provide business incentives to the likes of the major defense contractors and other cronies on both sides of the aisle. In other words, there’s no cushion left. Countries around the world will bail us out for only so long. Why do you think that Iran and other countries want to trade in other currencies for oil? The dollar and the U.S. are losing ground quite simply.

Put your messages together Alternet. This is one gigantic puzzle, all pieces interdependent upon the next. More/longer war will ultimately be the demise of our economy. If you think it's been bad of late, we've seen nothing yet. Not to mention, we're just now feeling the after effects of the NAFTA trade agreements. There is much more hurt to come as the white collar jobs are funneled overseas. Everyone is pushing Hillary in the election process. Get her, we have more of the same. Don't kid yourself of anything different.

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Bet Ya' Life
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jan 23, 2008 8:50 AM   
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Petraeus, and the whole Bush administration along with its Neo-Con advisors, is like a problem gambler who keeps doubling his bets in hopes he one day FINALLY wins. Just one more bet. Just 6 more months. Problem is, he will never likely ever win. Another problem is, he isn't just betting his life-savings away; he is betting (and losing) the very real lives of US troops and the very real lives of the Iraqi civilians.

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» RE: Bet Ya' Life Posted by: mobilone
» RE: Bet Ya' Life Posted by: particle
When all else fails..........
Posted by: Basenjis on Jan 23, 2008 9:54 AM   
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to keep us in Iraq, that is, they can always fall back on a renewed threat from Al Qaeda. That almost leads one to think that if Al Qaeda didn't actually exist, they'd be forced to create it.

Oops! I think that's already been suggested.

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» RE: Al Qaeda Posted by: bitsfick
Open your history books
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Jan 23, 2008 10:19 AM   
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Remember what got the british empire into the ropes ?
It wasn't WWI.
WWI was only the "coup de grâce".
Keeping a global oceans based empire becomes eventually financially unsustainable if you dont create a stable international order.
And a stable international order is based only in economical global balance. That is to say, rival powers must be kept in a state of balance between fear from you and profit from the stability you create.
Savage capitalism, with its endless appetite for all resources, with contempt to the others, never reaches that balance.
For some years you have done it well. What kept you from maintaining it? Inner decadence ? over confidence ?
The price will be high for everyone, not only you

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» RE: Open your history books Posted by: andrewstromotich
waiting out the surge?
Posted by: andrewstromotich on Jan 23, 2008 10:32 AM   
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duh... it is a guerilla war, isn't it? america has become that british infantry that the zulus punished.
and yes the brits stomped the zulus in the end, but the disparity between spears and gattling guns is way more vast than the quickly levelling battleground we see in iraq.
patreus is a moron. for him the turning point will come on the roof of the embassy.

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delaying game
Posted by: Doubtom on Jan 23, 2008 10:39 AM   
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Why is it that it takes us only a few months to train a high school drop-out in how to fight and die and it takes the Iraquis 6 years and they still can't do it on their own.
Who is taking advantage of whom?

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The Word is MONEY !
Posted by: rafey on Jan 23, 2008 2:13 PM   
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Stalling for time ? Actually ... stalling in order to keep the trillions of $$ flowing into the deep pockets of the War Capitalists. The surge, by the way, only appears to be working because the U.S. Govt. is paying each Iraqi nearly $500.00/month to keep their guns (the ones we gave them) in their pockets. That is more than what most minimum wage workers get in the U.S.(and in Iraq $500.00is equivalent to $5000.00) and the all the Iraqis have to do is smile and pretend to like Americans. But ... the funds will have to be cut off (since our country is nearly bankrupt). I suspect that will happen after the next election, leaving whoever takes the seat in the Oval Office holding the bag.

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Big deal
Posted by: YogiBear on Jan 23, 2008 11:38 PM   
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C'mon! We've been moving the goalposts for 4 years, what's another 6 months, or 6 years even!

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Once again
Posted by: Dboy on Jan 24, 2008 12:11 AM   
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Once again I'll say it.

It is no longer a war, it's an occupation. So, there is no war in Iraq. There is a foreign army occupying Iraq. There is no need to budget more money "for the war". The budget money is to be spent on occupying a foreign country.

And the military is not fighting "insurgents". Insurgents fight against a lawfully created government. If you are fighting an occupying army are NOT an insurgent, you are simply a patriot.

If you use *their* language, then they win. If you use their words, you are buying a part part of their story.

I can't make it any simpler than this.

dboy

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