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Former Soldier Accused of Brutal Rape and Murder of 14-Year Old Iraqi Girl Starts Trial

Posted by Liliana Segura, AlterNet at 11:00 AM on April 29, 2009.


23-year-old Steven Green is accused of bragging 'that was awesome' after the premeditated killing of Abeer Qasim Hamza al-Janabi and her family.
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It was called one of the most horrific crimes by U.S. troops against Iraqi civilians: In March 2006, a group of whiskey-fueled soldiers, their faces concealed and wearing black long underwear, descended upon a farmhouse some 20 miles south of Baghdad, gang-raped a teenage girl and shot her in the head, killing her along with her younger sister and their parents. The soldiers then tried to burn the bodies, setting fire to the house.
The grisly crime was initially blamed on insurgents -- "This is what happens when you harbor terrorists," a military translator told a relative after the bodies were found -- but three months later, the truth was revealed, when a fellow soldier from the unit told combat-stress counselors about what had happened.
Initial reports claimed that the girl, Abeer Qasim Hamza al-Janabi, was in her 20s. But her Iraqi ID card, obtained by Reuters, showed her date of birth is confirmed to be August 19, 1991, making her 14 years old at the time of her death.
News reports of the incident describe it as a "premeditated" act -- and indeed it was. A federal affidavidt tells the story of how the soldiers, stationed at a traffic checkpoint near the town of Mahmoudiya some 1,000 feet from Abeer's home, would often stop by the house just to stare at her.
According to a 2006 article in TIME magazine, "Her mother, who grew concerned enough to make plans for Abeer to move in with a cousin, told relatives that whenever she caught the Americans ogling her daughter, they would give her the thumbs-up sign, point to the girl and say, 'Very good, very good.'"
"Abeer's brother Mohammed, 13, told TIME he once watched his sister, frozen in fear, as a U.S. soldier ran his index finger down her cheek. Mohammed has since learned that soldier's name: Steven Green."
Today, Steven D. Green, 23, stands trial for planning and leading the assault and massacre of Abeer and her family. A former Private First Class from the 101st Airborne Division who was honorably discharged with a "personality disorder" soon after the killings, Green became the first person identified as one of the perpetrators of the grisly crime, which has been compared to the notorious Haditha massacre in 2005. His trial began this week, at a U.S. District Court in Paducah, Kentucky.

Green was arrested in North Carolina in June 2006, days after the real story came to light, Because his role in the massacre was uncovered following his discharge, he is being prosecuted in federal, rather than military court. (Four other soldiers involved in the massacre have already been court martialed, sentenced to five to 100 years in prison.)
Green, who, despite having told an Army investigator "I did that; I killed them," is pleading not guilty to the charges against him, which include conspiracy, rape, murder, unlawful use of a weapon and obstruction of justice. He is reportedly the first former soldier to face trial in a civilian court for conduct during war. He faces the death penalty.
According to TIME:

Over the past year, Green's lawyers have filed several motions challenging the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act (MEJA) of 2000 and 2004, a law designed to close the loophole that enabled military contractors or the spouses of servicemen and servicewomen to escape punishment for crimes committed abroad. Green's lawyers (as well as several military law experts) have maintained that MEJA was never intended to cover cases like his, but, in August, U.S. District Judge Thomas Russell upheld its constitutionality.

Unbelievably, "Green has offered to re-enlist in the Army and face a court-martial;" unsuprisingly, "that request has also been denied."
In his opening statement on Monday, attorney Patrick Bouldin, a public defender, tried to contextualize the killings as the horrible consequences of a hellish situation. "You have to understand the background that leads up to this perfect storm of insanity," he told the jury, according to Reuters.
"They couldn't tell the village people and the farmers from the insurgents and the terrorists," he said.
But federal prosecutor Brian Skaret described how Green bragged about the murders afterward, telling people "that was awesome" at a celebratory barbeque afterward.
Meanwhile, Abu Firas Janabi, the cousin of Abeer's mother, was the first to find the bodies. "Never in my mind could I have imagined such a gruesome sight,"he recalled, describing how he found Abeer with her head smashed in "by a concrete block or a piece of iron."
"There were burns from the bottom of her stomach to the end of her body, except for her feet," he said.
"I did not believe what I was seeing. I tried to fool myself into believing I was in a dream. But the problem was that we were not dreaming. We put a piece of cloth over her body. Then I left the house together with my wife."

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Tagged as: iraq, iraqis, u.s. military, steven green, abu firas janabi, thomas russell, brian skaret, abeer qasim hamza al-jana

Liliana Segura is a staff writer and editor of AlterNet's Rights and Liberties and War on Iraq Special Coverage.


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still waiting for justice
Posted by: kerastes on Apr 29, 2009 11:43 AM   
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That piece of garbage is lucky his trial isn't happening in Iraq, where it should be.

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» RE: still waiting for justice Posted by: techcafe
Support our troops?
Posted by: Karlh on Apr 29, 2009 12:05 PM   
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For any one who has seen the film Full Metal Jacket, we train these guys to desensitize them to violence so that an ordinary human becomes a killer and then set them loose and we don’t expect them to kill or rape? Just the act of being in a war zone day after day probably further desensitizes a person to violence. Author Chalmers Johnson has pointed out, in his various books, that wherever there are U.S. military bases the danger is increased that women in these countries run a high risk of being sexually assaulted by U.S. military personnel. I think anyone who has undergone military training is a victim. I do not absolve this soldier of his crimes, but I wonder if this person was capable of raping or killing before the military sunk their claws in him.

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» RE: Support our troops? Posted by: JSquercia
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» Full Metal Jacket Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
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» Vietnam was different. Posted by: colinmeister
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» RE: Support our troops? Posted by: kogwonton
The Best and Brightest Are In Our Military????
Posted by: rgoalierob on Apr 29, 2009 12:07 PM   
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That crime wasn't "Terrorism"?????
Next time our government conjures up an excuse for a war, they need to be shown a picture of the burnt bodies of that poor girl and her family.

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Indeed Sad....
Posted by: rjs on Apr 29, 2009 12:30 PM   
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This is indeed sad. No honor whatsoever.

Now might we get on with the real treason and prosecute those responsible for lying us into a war in the first place?

Why is it that people like this man get a court date for his transgressions and the previous administration runs free to conduct more acts of violence against their own people? Dick still free to ramble on about how his administration was correct in their endeavors?

It's not getting any better folks. We have a United States government trashing the Constitution of the people to threads. We have a govt sponsoring foreign troop training on our own soil. We have what could possibly be an usurper as leader whom has broken his word to gain office, we have a govt that allowed our retirements to be be put on the market to to the highest bidder, we have a govt allowing the Federal Reserve to lend at 0 percent to banks, while homeowners are continuing to lose their homes at an astonishing rate.

I blame this man no more than I would blame our country for allowing our government to continue to operate their wars of lies for greed of their own, for torture against the most basic of human rights, for not keeping the commandments of the most high and teaching others to do so.

Until we can correct the past and bring in the treasonous for correction, we will continue to follow the current path of never ending wars against both our own people, and peoples of other nations.

We don't win wars. And neither did the enemies of HWHY in the scripture.

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» Too right!!! Posted by: thekidde
The fish rots from the head.
Posted by: Quannah on Apr 29, 2009 12:34 PM   
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Talk about disgusting. As if the crime itself isn't heinous enough, I read:

"...A former Private First Class from the 101st Airborne Division who was honorably discharged with a "personality disorder" soon after the killings, Green became the first person identified as one of the perpetrators of the grisly crime, which has been compared to the notorious Haditha massacre in 2005."

The Army should have charged him with murder to begin with. Instead, they tried to cover this up. The Army is as guilty as this loser who they allowed into their ranks, and allowed to leave without any consequences.

The Army unleashed this guy into his community, where he would have likely committed another heinous crime had the Iraqis not pushed this.

Shame on the Army, too. This entire Iraq War is nothing more than a long series of crimes.

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» RE: The fish rots from the head. Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
Set Him Free
Posted by: robert.noll on Apr 29, 2009 1:15 PM   
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In downtown Fallujah!

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» RE: Set Him Free Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
...a little girl.
Posted by: 6ndi333 on Apr 29, 2009 1:24 PM   
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no more hating women, okay world.

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» RE: ...a little girl. Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
» 1 Rating Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
» RE: 1 Rating Posted by: rinthy
NO DEFENSE AND NO EXCUSES
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 29, 2009 1:49 PM   
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This was a violent crime that has nothing to do with being 'desensitized' by the army or anything else. I almost always give the benefit of the doubt to a soldier. I've never been in a war so what do I know. But there are limits to what we can accept as a defense. Sorry but a family lost their little girl because some guy got drunk and crazy. The Army didn't do this to him. Covering up looks bad and doesn't help him. He belongs in jail for the rest of his life, but I am opposed to the death penalty. ANNA

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» RE: NO DEFENSE AND NO EXCUSES Posted by: Ian MacLeod
My Lai all over again?
Posted by: Sojourner on Apr 29, 2009 2:29 PM   
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I am disturbed that even Wiki refuses in its focused piece on the massacre to admit Calley served his time in house arrest, while awaiting his appeals that led to his honorable discharge and reinstatement of benefits. Yes, he was convicted. No, he was not punished.

In government service, the response to criminal behavior is to award medals, usually. As I have no medals, I wonder what those who rightfully earned theirs think of how wantonly they are bestowed on the worst. Kudos to those who have returned their medals for the disgrace that has been brought upon them.

The military functions like a gang. The corporate world functions like a gang. The GOP functions like a gang. Is it any surprise that gangs dominate in our cities? It seems Americans believe in gangs. It comes as no surprise that we inherit the wind instead of mother Earth.

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» RE: My Lai all over again? Posted by: lively56
You know what say about prison
Posted by: sumwoman on Apr 29, 2009 4:09 PM   
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you go in an *sshole
you come out a manhole

he's got the face,
he'll be a punk

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Theft & death for Oil & Israel
Posted by: weathered on Apr 29, 2009 4:53 PM   
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how very lovely, no wonder as a country we're suffering from such low self-esteem.

Gee I can't wait for that 'audacity of hope'

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PUT HIM DOWN LIKE A RABID DOG
Posted by: atomic on Apr 29, 2009 5:05 PM   
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Not every soldier turns a combat situation into an opportunity to live out their sick fantasy of raping and killing innocent people ... this filthy waste of human DNA took special pleasure in doing this to these people ... he was even proud of it ...

Now his defense layers will try to say the military and the situation drove him to it ....

He should be put down like a rabid dog ... in the back room within 10 minutes after he is found guilty.

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Peachy
Posted by: bonapartist on Apr 29, 2009 5:41 PM   
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And the people wonder what fuels Iraqi insurgents. The various groups don't have much in common except the hate for Americans. That is hardly surprising, if sombody blew up the country where I live, cut my water, power and food supply and on top of that behaved like Green I would be perfectlly happy to take AK-47 and blow the head off the first mongrel wearing US uniform. No questions asked.

That being said the question is how many Greens are currently serving in the ranks of US military in Iraq? Probably a lot. At the same time it is interesting to see that few if any of those higher in the chain of command are held responsible. But hey if Rummy walked away to a comfy retirment why deny that to his lower ranking minions? After all they were just following orders, poor dears.

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» why they hate us Posted by: kerastes
» RE: why they hate us Posted by: andrushka
» RE: Peachy Posted by: kogwonton
More scum from Texas
Posted by: chief of okeefe on Apr 29, 2009 7:35 PM   
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Where all the scum seems to come from.

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» RE: More scum from Texas Posted by: Ian MacLeod
» RE: More scum from Texas Posted by: techcafe
» Yep, he's from Texas Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: Yep, he's from Texas Posted by: seaoftears
» RE: Yep, he's from Texas Posted by: michelle78412
» RE: More scum from Texas Posted by: michelle78412
Are Y’all still against the death penalty?
Posted by: The Great Satan on Apr 29, 2009 9:03 PM   
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Or do you think he can be rehabilitated?

Kill this scum. See, I hate white people too.

-Honky

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Why isn’t Earl Ofari Hutchinson Making apologies for this dirt bag?
Posted by: The Great Satan on Apr 29, 2009 10:17 PM   
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When that fatherless piece of ghetto trash, Lovell Mixon, murdered 4 police officers to keep from returning to prison after raping a 12 year old, it was everyone’s fault but his.

dead dirtbag

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yet another military rapist, torturer and murderer
Posted by: toumbak on Apr 29, 2009 11:52 PM   
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This guy is the perfect example of our new definition of hero. Really our best and brightest, right George?

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Disgusting
Posted by: distancebiker23 on Apr 30, 2009 1:11 AM   
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As if war wasn't bad enough

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villager
Posted by: villager1 on Apr 30, 2009 1:31 AM   
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Why does it take so long to deal with trash like this - do we honestly believe that we are civilized?

Why? oh! Why? do we allow such things to happen and worse still why do we always protect the rights of the criminals and show no respect whatsoever for the victims?

Is there actually any way that we can repent for our crimes and really make things better?

Sure as anything it just gets worse all the time - disgusting! and we are all to blame collectively since we have no morals anymore!

I pray forgiveness for being part of the human race! - lowest form of vermin on this planet we are!

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» RE: villager Posted by: rinthy
Consensus
Posted by: Philor on Apr 30, 2009 4:50 AM   
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Apparently there is a consensus in our society to try to believe that the people who enlist in our armed forces to go kill and massacre third world people are heroes. That piece of wandering human shred deserve a bullet in the back of his head.
Don't be fooled now, he's a guy who committed one of the most atrocious acts and he was caught. There are plenty of soldiers who squeezed their trigger when they shouldn't have. They did it because they could and wanted to and thought/knew they'd be fine. I strongly encourage anybody to treat anybody coming back from Iraq as a criminal. It's their choice. They simply can't expect to be treated well since they decided to associate themselves with a lost cause. The soldiers who have balls are now either in jail for refusing to go to war or in Canada. Everybody else is a criminal.

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» RE: Consensus Posted by: robert.noll
the article leaves out a fact
Posted by: dongarb on Apr 30, 2009 5:39 AM   
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The other soldier in the unit broke down and confessed because anti-american violence from the locals was becoming highly focused on that unit. The people of Baghdad knew it was those particular soldiers who had done the atrocity and were taking revenge. When the soldier who broke the story saw that his colleagues were taking the hit for what Green and his party of bandits had done he blew the whistle.

Green is a total psychopath and had he been smarter and more ambitious, he could have become a very useful and favorite tool of the sociopaths who rule the US military, the US government and the world.

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Rape Is War on Women, Everywhere, Anytime
Posted by: cocozane on Apr 30, 2009 7:38 AM   
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Whether Green's actions were known and condoned or "just" overlooked by his superiors doesn't matter, in the end. Demonizing the army doesn't help, either. We would want someone to help us if we were attacked, we would want "our" guys to help us if we needed it. And some of those "guys" would then rape us, whether we are enemy girls, or home girls, b/c those "guys" are rapists before they are soldiers, at home or abroad, and war gives them extra opportunities to rape.
A rapist is a rapist, and rape is a form of war on women's bodies. Abeer paid w/her life for her womanness, her family paid w/theirs b/c of their witness status, no more or less if they had lived in Arkansas or California or Italy.

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not good enough
Posted by: Little Thunder on Apr 30, 2009 7:41 AM   
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Although coutmartialed and found guilty, Segura doesn't mention that the 4 already sentenced (most got 99 years) will only have to serve 20!!! before being eligible for parole. That tells me that the military essentially excuses them for something they all should have instantly been shot for.

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» RE: not good enough Posted by: Javan
The ZOIDS, OTICS, CHOS, ICS and BOZO ON THE BUS
Posted by: americansheep on Apr 30, 2009 7:58 AM   
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Two days ago, on a Greyhound from Florida, a young man boarded at Ocala. Young, neat and wholesome looking with a big smile. He sat across from me. After a while he started talking to the person sitting next to him of how he just returned from Iraq after 3 straight years, and was on the way to Ohio where is is from. "So you're on vacation" the other passenger said. "Not really. I wanted to stay and accumulate more days so I could come back and stay a long time, but they told me I needed time off and made me come back early" was his response... In my opinion,3 years straight was too long! (if it was true). He then said that his girlfriend told him she didn't want to see him when he got back to Ohio. The passenger asked "Did you do something wrong?" The soldier lad said, "No, nothing. I didn't do anything." The conversation ended and in a little while he mounted his cellphone and had an "F---" this and F that "conversation" with his girlfriend, who kept hanging up and he would dial her back, fingers in rage as they punched the number, and she would keep answering (go figure) as he berated her and said she was substituting him with her f'in grandmother and he was coming to f'in Ohio as it was his f'in home. And this abusive cellphone engagement went on throughout the night.Do you get the picture? This young lad did not think he had done anything wrong yet here he was morphing from "wholesome" into a schizoid-psychotic and everything else that would end in "otic". This is the kind of mentally tormented person toting guns in Iraq, representing the American people. They are the ones giving orders to Iraqi mothers, fathers and children at the point of a gun, supplied by a savage Empire.

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Those who must be Barred from Service
Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 30, 2009 8:09 AM   
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These are the types the military should be barring from serving our country and wearing our uniform.
Let's be honest- when it comes to those wearing Uniforms there is no guaratee they are qualified or honorable enough to do so.
How many Cops are found to committ crimes against the public they are supposed to be protecting.
How many firefighters have been found to be arsonists?
Granted the majority of those donning uniforms enter that service for honorable reasons. But there are elements who do so merely as a way to exercise power and/or twisted sense of righteosuness.Personifying their God Complex in a uniform.
it is not only the responiblity of the recruiters, but also their fellow service personnel to identify these people.
Initial psychiatric evaluations are required, but also continuous re-evals are required. These professions are not only stressful, but dangerous and psychiatric 'breaks' are a constant threat to fitness and suitablity.
Failure to identify those unsuitable for such duties from the start is a grave diservice tothe institution and those who will be working with them. But to also fail to identify those when they are working next to you, not only reflects badly on you, and the profession, but also endangers your survival.
When those you are expected to protect fear you, they may not just cower, but react violently- as a means to their own survival.
The two responses to Fear is Fight or flight- how many in uniform have died needlessly because another has intentionally instilled fear in people to satisfy their own egos, desires, prejudices?
These type of personalities endanger not only those to be served and protected, but also those whom they serve with and the institiution itself.

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Horrible, but hardly the worst of it
Posted by: willymack on Apr 30, 2009 8:14 AM   
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That would be the bush crime family's lies, leading to the illegal brutalization of Iraq and Afghanistan. Who's going after them? NOBODY, that's who, and that's a crime in itself. Contact our forward-looking president and demand he honor his promise to us by prosecuting the bushies. THAT'S the way to move forward, with JUSTICE and a clear conscience. Nothing less will do.

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The Army wins
Posted by: daniel347x on Apr 30, 2009 8:38 AM   
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There's a grey area for soldiers in the Army that is really the whole story, including this one.

The problem with Alternet culture - what makes it a reactionary, rather than truly progressive force - is the tendency to oversimplify lots of things into meaninglessness. For example, summarizing what I see as a general trend, Alternet either promotes the concept of "support the troops, oppose the war" because of the understanding that war is a trauma even for the troops who fight the war, or on the other hand (as in this article) "this soldier is scum of the earth because he raped a woman before killing her". That if he just killed her, we should support him and recognize that he is a traumatized victim. Therefore, when the Army singles out a particularly heinous act, such as the one described in this article, it's easy to isolate it as a special case, when in fact it's different only in extent, not in nature, to the killing, raping, and destruction that our soldiers engage in on a routine basis.

By posting this article, AlterNet helps the Army succeed. The Army succeeds when, highlighting individuals as "bad apples" and bringing them to trial, it causes people to feel that it is the individuals who are "bad apples" and not representative of the norm.

When a soldier is deciding who to kill, who is a "danger", picks a house because he has been given instructions to do so if he perceives "danger", goes over some artificial line that is made deliberately vague while in a war zone, "knowing" ahead of time how easy it would be to rape women rather than merely "rooting out the enemy" by killing them, and moves through a house killing its inhabitants, should he say to the women that he kills, "let me be very gentle with your breasts and body before I blow your brains out. That way, feminists in the West will consider me to be a victim rather than a villain"?

It's much easier to heroize or villainize than it is to see reality. In this case, the reality is that troops are both villains and victims, as are all people who commit violence.

Committing atrociously violent acts, including sexually violent acts, is the norm for many soldiers who see direct combat. The story of this soldier is more extreme than the experience of many soldiers, but not by much and only insofar as it is easy to hand-pick after-the-fact. Given this, perhaps AlterNet should revisit any stance it seems to have taken in favor of "support the troops, oppose the war".

Dan Nissenbaum

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Occupiers pay a high price too
Posted by: hilaryuk on Apr 30, 2009 9:07 AM   
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We send often ill-educated young men to occupy a country that would prefer not to be occupied, tell them, for their own protection, to treat all the indigenous population as potentially hostile, impress on them that they are fighting for the superior values of their country against a morally inferior enemy and, of course inculcate them that their first loyalty is to their comrades. What do we expect to happen? Undoubtedly the Iraqis have paid a mind boggling price for the occupation, but so have the coalition forces. So will their home countries as these damaged and desensitised young men return home.

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Sex is the root of all evil
Posted by: Landbaron on Apr 30, 2009 9:08 AM   
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Money is just the legal vehicle to get it.

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The US military tradition is one of criminal violence
Posted by: leafsong1 on Apr 30, 2009 9:13 AM   
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Every war we fight is stained with the evil of our atrocities, and almost every war we fight is a criminal war of aggression. The problem is not so much in the soldiers as it is in the institutions. The US military must be purged, some units and branches should be disssolved altogether.

This soldier was guilty of a crime against international law the moment he set foot in Iraq wearing a uniform and carrying a gun. Should we be surprised if he went on to commit other war crimes? PUNISH THE GUILTY. PROSECUTE OUR WAR CRIMINALS.

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Idiots...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Apr 30, 2009 10:00 AM   
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They can't tell the insurgents from the villagers because as a country under occupation, the so called insurgents WERE the villagers fighting back for the actions of thugs like these. This is only a story that managed to get out from the hush hush of military oversight. Imagine if you will if YOUR town or city were occupied by members of a foreign military who took liberties with your daughters and wives... You'd be out there fighting too and THEIR media machine would refer to YOU, good citizen, as an insurgent or a terrorist or el kaida.

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Apologists for everything-Bush & Pentagon should share responsibility
Posted by: Brb007 on Apr 30, 2009 10:46 AM   
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There is no excuse for these types of actions. The military's desensitization is certainly no excuse for rape and murder. I know many veterans of war, my brother included who served as a Marine in both Gulf wars and in numerous other campaigns and conflicts and did not resort to murder, rape or any of the other atrocities that some here have blamed on "military brainwashing" ... because they were "trained and desensitized to be killing machines."

Some of these men should have never been permitted to wear the uniform, let alone trained to use weapons and set loose with complete autonomous control over areas with civilian populations. Bush and his Pentagon thugs changed the standards and enlistment criteria, permitting waivers for those with criminal records or psychological red flags, that otherwise would never have been accepted for duty ... all because there were not enough resources for an ill-planned 7-10 year war of aggression. Keep in mind that we were told this would be over in a short time and that our soldiers would be greeted with flowers and candy and seen as liberators by Iraqi citizens. I wonder if the relatives of these Iraqis feel liberated?

While these men are accountable and should be held to the highest standard of the law, so too should there be some accountability for those who allowed the enlistment of those whom they knew were not fit for service. A unit is only as strong as it's weakest soldier and there are standards of enlistment for that very reason. Those who intentionally ignored those standards and permitted these waivers should be held equally accountable in the eyes of the law!

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876
Posted by: 876 on Apr 30, 2009 12:23 PM   
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If this is what war or the military are doing to soldiers as they are insisting, how do they justify allowing returning soldiers loose on the streets of America, or even waging war?

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CHANGE HIS DISCHARGE TO DISHONORABLE!
Posted by: LTBROWN on Apr 30, 2009 1:18 PM   
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"A former Private First Class from the 101st Airborne Division who was honorably discharged with a "personality disorder" soon after the killings,"

There is no way, as an insane human being, that I want him honored in anyway. Strip him of it, IMMEDIATELY.

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From now on when a suicide bomber explodes
Posted by: LTBROWN on Apr 30, 2009 1:39 PM   
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near an American Military base,I'll need to know what all has happened before hand. had this happened to my family members, I would definitely do whatever I had to, to kill them. And folks, this happens more times then not, in socalled war times. We have many soldiers who operate above the law in these countries because they had heard, so many times, that these people are terrorist. What part of this 14 year old girl's vagina, was a threat to these maggots? Answer that for me please.

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This is a war crime
Posted by: topbrick on Apr 30, 2009 2:39 PM   
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and should be tried as such. If he's going to be tried as a civilian then he should be on trial in Iraq. It's outrageous that the US has not sent him to Iraq to stand trial.
Are Americans in any doubt as to why they are loathed? This stomach-turning story is a reminder of the stereotype of the ugly American. If it was an American 14 year old and her family (some on this thread seem to think it was only the girl who was murdered- no, it was her parents and her little brother, too, killed execution style) killed by "terrorists" there would be bombs dropped and more carnage in retaliation.
It's not Green alone who should be on trial, though. It's the administration who staged an illegal invasion, authorized torture and created the cruel, racist and vengeful mindset that influenced these soldiers. And this is just one story that came out. No doubt there are many more, blamed on "insurgents".
Roll on the day when Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, et al are standing trial. Powell should be included, too, since his knowing lies and performance in the UN gave the warmongers credibility.

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Crusaders for Bush
Posted by: Juven on Apr 30, 2009 4:25 PM   
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They should try him in Iraq. Then if there is anything left of him, try him again here under the UJMJ. It is people like this that drag the reputation of the US (whatever is left of it after Bush, of course).

Very sad-- sounds like something from the Crusades

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No excuse!
Posted by: seaoftears on Apr 30, 2009 4:52 PM   
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There is no excuse for these crimes. Regardless of training. If these guys will do this durning war, they will abuse and assault women without a war. If an Iraqi solider was in this country and commited these crimes, we would demand he be handed over to the US to be charged and sentenced. These monsters should be handed over to Iraq to face the punishment the Iraqi people decide to give them. I sure as hell don't want them living in my community, around my daughters!

Go to google vid and type in' U.S.A soldier tells how he Raped A muslim girl in Abu Ghraib'

This shows what happens when the president lies us into a war. Too bad this solider is so stupid that he could not figure out that Iraq was not involved in 9/11. He too should be sent to Iraq to stand trial!

I tried to post a direct link and Alternet would not let me. sorry

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No excuses
Posted by: jrshmte on Apr 30, 2009 5:21 PM   
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Even though this guy has admitted doing it, even bragging about it ('it was awesome'), he's not man enough to just plead guilty. There can be no excuses. No more of these "I've gotta personality disorder" or "Being trained as a soldier made me do it". Not even "The devil made me do it". He did it, along with others given FIVE to 100 yrs sentences? Who gets FIVE years for participating in such a crime, no matter who thought it up? I doubt that one guy killed that family...he had help. Here in the US, you participate in a crime where someone dies, you are also eligible for the needle even if you just sat in the getaway car waiting for them to come out.

Why isn't this being prosecuted by the Iraqis? It took place on their soil, and it was their citizens, blameless citizens who had been harrassed by the very same people who later raped their daughter and killed family to cover their crimes.

If some Iraqis here, soldiers or not, had committed the same crime of rape and multiple murder, the US would go NUTS demanding the right to prosecute and would win that right. Why isn't Iraq being given what is rightfully theirs? It's enough that we illegally invade their country and declare an illegal war of aggression, displace millions, kill at least a million more of their people and steal their resources. Now we are stealing their right to prosecute crimes against their citizens that took place on their soil? Bollocks!

I don't care about comparisons to any other crimes or any other wars. All I care about is this series of crimes being fairly dealt with by the country whose citizens were murdered.

Those young men are going to end up being treated way better by the US, even if they get the needle, and I'd like to see them get true Iraqi justice.

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alt307
Posted by: altnet307 on May 1, 2009 7:59 AM   
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This guy should be turned over to the Iraqis

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Our Military enlist highly dysfunctional people
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on May 3, 2009 10:09 AM   
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I read an article about this case in Newsweek a few years back. In it it said that Green had a history of mental instability and had one time punched a kid in the face on a bet in high school. Even though I didn't meet the bastard, he hit me as a sociopath the more I read about him, and if I remember the article, it said that Green hadn't completed basic training, and was mentally unfit for war, and would break down whenever one of his fellow soldiers died. Jesus christ, whatever happened to at least making sure our soldiers are all mentally fit?

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Is this americas new military?
Posted by: osd on May 4, 2009 7:57 PM   
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So how many gang bangers, rapists/child mollesters and in general bottom feeders did the military let in for there war on Terror? Thank-you George Bush/Dick Cheney for helping America sink to a new low. So who is the real terrorists here? Take them out and shoot those who do such crimes. No threee hots and a cot for the rest of there lives. So when they get back to the states they can do the same to the civilian population here.

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