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Obama Doesn't Plan to End the Occupation in Iraq

Posted by Jeremy Scahill, AlterNet at 7:44 AM on December 5, 2008.


The president-elect's thinking 'evolves' -- we can expect tens of thousands of American troops to stay.
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The New York Times is reporting an "apparent evolution" in president-elect Barack Obama's thinking on Iraq, citing recent statements about his plan to keep a "residual force" in the country and his pledge to "listen to the recommendations of my commanders" as Obama prepares to assume actual command of U.S. forces. "At the Pentagon and the military headquarters in Iraq, the response to the statements this week from Mr. Obama and his national security team has been akin to the senior officer corps' letting out its collective breath," the Times reported. "[T]the words sounded to them like the new president would take a measured approach on the question of troop levels."

The reality is there is no "evolution."

Anyone who took the time to cut past Barack Obama's campaign rhetoric of "change" and bringing an "end" to the Iraq war realized early on that his Iraq plan boiled down to a down-sizing and rebranding of the occupation. While he emphasized his pledge to withdraw U.S. "combat forces" from Iraq in 16 months (which may or may not happen), he has always said that he intends to keep "residual forces" in place for the foreseeable future.

It's an interesting choice of terms. "Residual" is defined as "the quantity left over at the end of a process." This means that the forces Obama plans to leave in Iraq will remain after he has completed his "withdrawal" plan. No matter how Obama chooses to label the forces he keeps in Iraq, the fact is, they will be occupation forces.

Announcing his national security team this week, Obama reasserted his position. "I said that I would remove our combat troops from Iraq in 16 months, with the understanding that it might be necessary -- likely to be necessary -- to maintain a residual force to provide potential training, logistical support, to protect our civilians in Iraq." While some have protrayed this as Obama going back on his campaign pledge, it is not. What is new is that some people seem to just now be waking up to the fact that Obama never had a comprehensive plan to fully end the occupation. Most recently, the Times:

"On the campaign trail, Senator Barack Obama offered a pledge that electrified and motivated his liberal base, vowing to 'end the war' in Iraq," wrote reporter Thom Shanker on Thursday. "But as he moves closer to the White House, President-elect Obama is making clearer than ever that tens of thousands of American troops will be left behind in Iraq, even if he can make good on his campaign promise to pull all combat forces out within 16 months."

For many months it's been abundantly clear that Obama's Iraq plan is at odds with his campaign rhetoric. Yet, Shanker writes, "to date, there has been no significant criticism from the antiwar left of the Democratic Party of the prospect that Mr. Obama will keep tens of thousands of troops in Iraq for at least several years to come." The Times is actually right about this, in a literal sense. There has seldom, if ever, been a public peep about Obama's residual force plans for Iraq from members of his own party, including from those who describe themselves as "anti-war."

But, for those who have scrutinized Obama's plans and the statements of his advisors from the beginning, this is old news. Obama never defined "ending the war" as removing all U.S. forces from Iraq. Besides the counsel of his closest advisors -- many of whom are pro-war hawks -- Obama's Iraq plan is based on two primary sources: the recommendations of the Baker-Hamilton "Iraq Study Group" and the 2007 Iraq supplemental spending bill, which, at the time was portrayed as the Democrats' withdrawal plan. Both envisioned a sustained presence of U.S. forces for an undefined period following a "withdrawal."

In supporting the 2007 supplemental, Obama said it would put the U.S. "one signature away from ending the Iraq War." The bill would have redeployed U.S. forces from Iraq within 180 days. But that legislation, vetoed by President Bush, would also have provided for 20,000 to 60,000 troops to remain in Iraq as "trainers," "counter-terrorist forces," or for "protection for embassy/diplomats," according to an analysis by the Institute for Policy Studies. The bill contained no language about how many "private contractors" could remain in Iraq. This helped shed light on what Obama actually meant by "ending the Iraq War."

Other glaring clues to the actual nature of Obama's Iraq plan to anyone paying attention could be found in the public comments of his advisors, particularly on the size of the force Obama may leave in Iraq after his withdrawal is complete. Obama has refused to talk numbers, saying in October, "I have tried not to put a number on it." That has been the position of many of his loyal aides. "We have not put a number on that. It depends on the circumstances on the ground," said Susan Rice, Obama's nominee for UN ambassador, during the campaign. "It would be worse than folly, it would be dangerous, to put a hard number on the residual forces."

But, Richard Danzig, President Clinton's former Navy Secretary who may soon follow Robert Gates as Obama's Defense Secretary, said during the campaign that the "residual force" could number as many as 55,000 troops. That doesn't include Blackwater and other mercenaries and private forces, which the Obama camp has declared the president-elect "can't rule out [and] won't rule out" using. At present there are more "contractors" in Iraq than soldiers, which is all the more ominous when considering Obama's Iraq plan.

In April, it was revealed that the coordinator of Obama's Iraq working group, Colin Kahl, had authored a paper, titled "Stay on Success: A Policy of Conditional Engagement," which recommended, "the U.S. should aim to transition to a sustainable over-watch posture (of perhaps 60,000-80,000 forces) by the end of 2010 (although the specific timelines should be the byproduct of negotiations and conditions on the ground)." Kahl tried to distance the views expressed in the paper from Obama's official campaign position, but they were and are consistent.

In March, Obama advisor Samantha Power let the cat out of the bag for some people when she described her candidate's 16-month timetable for withdrawing U.S. "combat" forces as a "best case scenario." Power said, "He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he's crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. Senator." (After that remark and referring to Sen. Hillary Clinton as a "monster," Power resigned from the campaign. Now that Obama is president-elect, Power's name has once again resurfaced as a member of his transitional team.)

The New York Times also raised the prospect that Obama could play semantics when defining his 16-month withdrawal plan, observing, "Pentagon planners say that it is possible that Mr. Obama's goal could be accomplished at least in part by relabeling some units, so that those currently counted as combat troops could be 're-missioned,' their efforts redefined as training and support for the Iraqis."

Compare all of the above with a statement Obama made in July: "I intend to end this war. My first day in office I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in, and I will give them a new mission, and that is to end this war -- responsibly, deliberately, but decisively."

Some may now accuse Obama of flip-flopping. The reality is that we need to understand what the words "end" "war" "residual" and "decisively" mean when we hear Obama say them.

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Tagged as: iraq war, new york times, robert gates, barack obama, iraq occupation, hillary clinton, election 2008, samantha power, colin kahl, richard danzig, susan rice

Jeremy Scahill is the author of Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army and is a frequent contributor to The Nation and Democracy Now! He is a Puffin Foundation Writing Fellow at the Nation Institute.


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A mission for God
Posted by: solrev on Dec 5, 2008 8:21 AM   
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Obama is on a mission from God or the luckiest politician of all time. The agreement between the Iraqi government and the US government to remove all forces in three years opens the door for Obama’s draw down. Obama can not be labeled as someone who cut and run in the future. I would think he would pull out most of the combat troops for some R and R and then decide what he will do with them in Afghanistan. The residual training force will probably be some mobile quick strike ground forces and close air support forces. The new mission is to pull back, out of sight out of mind. The residual force will be a deterrent for any of the Iraqi militias from making an armed revolution and seizing control of the country. Americans not killing Iraqi and Iraqis not killing Americans is and end to the war. As for the mercenaries in Iraq stop funding them and they will be home for Christmas. It will be interesting to see what shakes out in Iraq; the Iraqi elections will be critical. If a broad based ethnic government can be created Iraq has a chance.

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» RE: A mission for God Posted by: shermhead
» RE: A mission for God Posted by: radical53
» RE: "PERPETUAL WAR IS OUR FUTURE" Posted by: puf_almighty
» A mission from President Bush Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» RE: the Bush plan LOL! Posted by: Lauren
» When it works... Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» RE: A mission for God Posted by: umrayya
» RE: A mission for God Posted by: KDelphi5950
» AIPAC gets a woody Posted by: weathered
Patience, People
Posted by: rgoalierob on Dec 5, 2008 11:17 AM   
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We need to keep up the pressure to get us COMPLETELY out of Iraq, but it is only going to come in measured steps.
Obama has proven himself to be careful and measured in his approach, which is a good thing. The Right Wing Cowboy Diplomacy policies of the past 8 years have created this mine field, literally and figuratively.

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» RE: Patience, People Posted by: michael1972
» RE: Patience, People Posted by: rgoalierob
American foreign policy never changes.
Posted by: Ghoulman on Dec 5, 2008 11:51 AM   
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See...

What have I been telling you yanks? American foreign policy never, ever, changes. War is a racket, it's about money. Like Russia in Chechnya or China in Tibet.

America will only get out of Iraq when Iraq kills the last American. That takes time. Ask the Vietnamese.

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» RE: Oh, pardon me, but... Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Good point! Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: Do you have to work hard at it, or... Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: P.S. Posted by: photon's feather
omg... Did you really think?
Posted by: quietbear on Dec 5, 2008 6:56 PM   
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I mean, really?

Did you really, really think the next puppet, Obama would really get out of Iraq???

Did you really think that he would actually bring "change we can believe in"???

Did you really think that he would actually stand behind "any" of his campaign promises???

From his very first appointment, on up till now and beyond he has and will continue to show, that he isn't going to be doing anything different and there will be NO change, what-so-ever!

You are all a bunch of sleeping wonks that had better pull your collective heads out of your collective behinds and come to the realization that Obama is nothing more than another puppet being run by the elite that are controlling this planet...

omg... You are all so stupid, it hurts my head.

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» RE: omg... Did you really think? Posted by: michael1972
» Fill In the Blank (D) Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» RE: omg... Did you really think? Posted by: douglashoyt
» RE: P.S. Please don't tell me... Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Just testing... Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: On complimements: Posted by: photon's feather
No, this is not a surprise...
Posted by: jparsons on Dec 6, 2008 12:25 AM   
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Obama was never a progressive candidate like
Dennis Kucinich was. But the Dems would never
support true progressive policies - heck, they
solemnly pretend like impeachment would be a bad
idea!

I hope to see a grade or
two lower corruption and outrage in the US in
Obama's presidency, but basically BAU.

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» BAU Posted by: Dboy
This is old news
Posted by: chowderhead on Dec 6, 2008 2:43 AM   
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Obama has always said that he would withdraw the bulk of our combat troops, leaving a small force in Iraq, not involved in active combat, for training and crisis management. He NVER SAID he would withdraw ALL TROOPS. His actions shouldn't be judged on whether they are progressive or not, but rather if they are wise. Leaving Iraq, one of the most unstable and corrupt governments in the world, to sink or swim on its own seems pretty irresponsible, since we pretty much engineered their whole sociopolitical experience. I don't have a problem with five or ten thousand US troops, based outside major conflict zones, remaining in Iraq to help them get it right. I think Obama has Iraq's AND America's best interests at heart. He's not feeding the corporate military machine just to enrich his friends, like the guy he's replacing. We've turned a major corner here. Let's just celebrate that and not try to micromanage policy for the guy.

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» RE: This is old news Posted by: moflard
» RE: This is old news Posted by: umrayya
we need to understand the word "responsibly"
Posted by: KAEL on Dec 6, 2008 2:56 AM   
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That is the word moderates heard when they parsed the meaning of Obama's campaign rhetoric - and then voted for him. Obama's words are carefully chosen and moderates voted for responsibly ending the war.

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First...
Posted by: adp3d on Dec 6, 2008 3:13 AM   
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his windfall tax statements for Big Oil have been scrubbed from his website, last night I heard that instead of rescinding the "Bush Tax Cuts" he wants to let them expire in 2011(we need that money now Mr. President-elect). And now this. Whats next, a reneging on health care reform? The campaign promises are starting to fall by the wayside. This is why I voted for Ralph Nader, the best candidate, not the lesser of two evils.

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Read my lips........
Posted by: 2thepoint on Dec 6, 2008 3:19 AM   
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For anyone who listened to Obama early on knew he had no intention of withdrawing troops beyond the Bush timetable. He couldn't for a number of reasons which included a needed base for Afghanistan operations.

He may replace Reagan as the great communicator - he ca make you think one thing while he is actually telling you something else! Most people heard what they wanted to hear..not what he was saying.

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» RE: ead my lips........ Posted by: Erin
Responsibility
Posted by: PJT on Dec 6, 2008 3:32 AM   
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What is our responsibility to Iraq? The answer "to get out, period" might be very satisfactory to Muqtada, but what about the Suuni and Kurds who would prefer not to become immediately embroiled in an Iranian proxy civil war with the Shi'a majority? Obama did not create this problem but he will be stuck with the implications of his decisions. Walking away from the place is not a solution if it creates an even worse problem for everybody, including us. Bush and his gangsters started a war that his killed tens of thousands of innocents. Obama needs to find a solution that gets us untangled from the place and which does not result in tens of thousands more innocents dying.

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» RE: esponsibility Posted by: umrayya
» RE: esponsibility Posted by: umrayya
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» Yeah, under your bed....... Posted by: Prophit
» "not" should be 'now' Posted by: Von
Two Parties, Two Sides of the Same Coin
Posted by: shill on Dec 6, 2008 4:38 AM   
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Mr. Obama is not going to do anything radical in Iraq. That's not the way the game of the "New World Order" is played. The U.S. is an empire, pure and simple. Bush went about doing business with this fact firmly in the forefront of his administration. In 8 years he and his neocons managed to put us, the most powerful nation in the world, in a miserable position world wide, image wise, economically, and as far as the individual rights of our citizens are concerned; no mean feat when you think about how much of the world was on our side just after 9/11. Obama can only work with what he has to work with after the guy before him finishes up. But both Democrats and Republicans believe in the concept of U.S. world dominion. To hell with the idea of minding our own business! Both parties believe in militarily foisting our ideals and way of life on the rest of the world. It is this fact that is going to keep us in a continual state of war; good for the so called "defense industry," bad for the rest of us who just want to be allowed to live our lives peacefully the way we see fit, with the least possible amount of government interference.

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Change we can believe in???
Posted by: sicntired on Dec 6, 2008 4:55 AM   
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Wasn't this issue number one while the election was being fought?Now we hear the same animals that got us into this fiasco will lead us out.I hate to say I told you so but i told you so.I was as much for Obama in the beginning as anyone.Then I saw him morphing into exactly what he said he was against.His choices for cabinet have been discouraging to say the least.Every soldier that dies in Iraq after Obamas inauguration will be on his head.Small comfort to the widows and other family members left behind thinking it was going to be over.

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End of the Republic.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Dec 6, 2008 5:06 AM   
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It is interesting to witness the end of this republic and the beginning of the Empire.

Let the games begin.

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» RE: End of the Republic. Posted by: Carlos111
narcysus
Posted by: narcysus on Dec 6, 2008 5:43 AM   
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Where in the world has the US ever gone in war that we DON'T leave behind troops? Once the US comes to your house, it never leaves.

When has a president ever taken office and been able to do the majority of what he campaigned on? It doesn't happen too often, and not because the presidential candidates become presidents are dishonest, per se. No one actually knows, and least of all presidential candidates, what's really going on until they win the right to know. GOD KNOWS what a mess he's dealing with, what twisted deals have been brokered that he can't revoke, what craziness exists in our government. Ordinary citizens will only ever know so much. God help Obama!

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exactly what we could have expected
Posted by: whoopingcrone on Dec 6, 2008 5:55 AM   
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if we'd listened carefully.
And exactly what we could have predicted if we'd bothered to wonder who required us to choose between two highly unlikely-to-win-the-final-round candidates as "our" public face.
For further awakening I highly recommend Thomas Ferguson's The Golden Rule:The Investment Theory of Party Competition and the Logic of Money Driven Political Systems pre-viewable through Google Books.

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The 'Lefts' Echo Chamber being banged on by the Neo Cons
Posted by: Purple Girl on Dec 6, 2008 5:57 AM   
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Iwas a Kucinich Primary voter, because SEn Obama was not as Far 'left' as I or Kucinich. but when Kucinich got sidelined, I volunteered for the Obama campaign. Not because he was 'all that and a box of chocolates' but because I found him to be rational, Intellegent and far closer to my expectations than his REPUBLICAN rival HILLARY. One Ol' clintonian who HATES Hillary Now- she couldn't hide her Neo con ways behind Bill anylonger- she's a disgrace, esp with that Revised Historical term 'Reagan Democrat'..What an OxyMORON.
What I also admired was His realization that there Was NO Good Reason to have gone into Iraq in the first place, but we can't reverse time. We Broke it, we should try our best to put it back togethere in some way (of course We have several times and they keep fucking it up- they can be responsible for that self destruction)
What I find Amazing is that th eLeft is allowing themselves to have their 'Chains yanked' by the Neo cons Once again. As ususal they are attempting to pit the Dems against each other and deflect blame away from themselves..."Obama Lied to You lefties"..Hell of a Claim coming from anyone who supported this Admin, or any other Repugs for the last few decades..Pot & kettle? Is th eRight so Deluded they think they can get the Anti war sect to vote for Them in '10 or '12. Or are they just once again firing up the kiln for their covert operative Nadar.
In fact having been a Liberal Dem all my life I have become embarrassed by how many 'lefties' have fallen for this 'Divide & Conquer' Bullshit for Decades. Reason they keep fighting Gay marriage, so they can get the outraged Response from the left to Rally the Rights Troops and thus derail any converstion about what really ails US. While you tow Fringes battle out Gay marriage they are stealing Constitutional Rights, Kidnapping people off the streets and torturing prisoners.FYI these REAL issues adversely effect both you Far enders, and Our Country.
Really now folks what the hell is the difference between 'marriage' and 'union' if both are legally Equal...Rhetoric and Reaction, Nothing more.
Don't tell me it's Bill Kristol or Rush Limbaugh or bill O'rielly who claims to feel the anti War folks pain of 'betrayal'. If you are listening to them Now, You've just picked up the poisoned Koolaid Again..wipe you lip you look like a fool, You are Being had.

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» Dont Blame Me Purple Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
RE: Ha
Posted by: Erin on Dec 6, 2008 7:14 AM   
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It is always the same. But this time more people bought the lies, packaged as "promises" and "change you can believe in". Now they are becoming so disillusioned that and scared that they really don't know what to do. So, they keep trying to defend Obama in spite of his backtracking on so many of the "promises".

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Only the ignorant (religious voters) believe Obama
Posted by: sonofloud on Dec 6, 2008 6:38 AM   
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Obama lies when it suits him....

He'll run a "differant kind of campaign" so he smears the Clintons as racist and uses private money after promising he would use only public funds.

He will bring the troops home from Iraq by the end of the year.....well maybe not.

He was against offshore oil drilling but changed his position after seeing his poll numbers slip.

He was against taping the Strategic Petroleum Reserve then came out in favor of it.

He pledged to rescind Bush's tax cuts but now says he would delay rescinding President Bush's tax cuts on wealthy Americans if he becomes the next president and the economy is in a recession, suggesting such an increase would further hurt the economy.

He said he was against FISA and then in typical Obama style changed his position.

PS Pelosi/Reid/Dean have given Bush everything he wanted from a free pass on illegal wiretaps, to record corporate welfare, to approving the most right wing reactionary judges yet the moronic "progressives" keep blaming Hillary.
Wake up people.....Obama and the current Democratic leadership is far more conservative than Bill or Hillary ever was.

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» There's another viewpoint Posted by: gellero1
There goes the last argument of the Obama Massiah brigade...
Posted by: Prophit on Dec 6, 2008 6:43 AM   
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... where they say "He may be surrounded by opposition advise, but in the end he is his own man and will do what he wants".

This quote in the article above ends that argument and now I look forward to the new ones that he can overturn for us. Remember, GATES is his SEc of Defense AND A BUSH appointee, which means a continuation of the Bush administration only under a kindler, gentler and less honest cloak of respectability.

"The New York Times is reporting an "apparent evolution" in president-elect Barack Obama's thinking on Iraq, citing recent statements about his plan to keep a "residual force" in the country and his pledge to "listen to the recommendations of my commanders"

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Out of Iraq, Okinawa, Japan, Germany
Posted by: sausage on Dec 6, 2008 6:48 AM   
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Author Chalmers Johnson's trilogy of fine books, Blowback, The Sorrows of Empire and Nemesis, The Last Days of the American Republic, concludes that this nation's standing in the wider world would immeasurably be heightened by drawing down all foreign military operations and closing offshore bases.

However, with the selection of Hillary Clinton for Secretary of State, the incoming Obama administration has sent a clear signal that American foreign policy will, in all likelihood, be little different than the Realpolitk followed by ever administration since Truman; reward dictatorships which do business with us, i.e. allow American troops on their soil, train their military in U.S. tactics, purchase U.S.-made weapons and let U.S.-owned corporations easy access to their resources, while punishing those that don't. So don't expect any warming of relations between Washington and the Bolivian Republic of Venezuela anytime in the immediate future.

Iraq, in the tiny minds of the American hegemonists, is the perfect platform from which to control South Asia, the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz. Israel's security is only a cat's paw, the real reason for staying in Iraq is and always has been oil and American control of same. Even if, under an Obama administration, American civilization is weened off its dependence on oil, big oil will still be with us and petroleum and petroleum-based products will yet be a valuable commodity. With domestic oil consumption down, ExxonMobile, Chevron, ConocoPhillips will still be major players in the world market.

And so it seems, at this early date, as if president-elect Barack Obama has not learned the lessons of recent history. His administration appears contented to continue the same old same old when it comes to foreign policy. And so, despite the color of his skin, in the fullness of time President Obama will be hanged and burned in effigy the same as every American President since Dwight D. Eisenhower.

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» 130 countries?? Posted by: gellero1
» RE: 130 countries?? Posted by: moflard
» RE: Okinawa should be one of the first Posted by: photon's feather
Daddy warbucks got their president, not the people
Posted by: godsbreath64 on Dec 6, 2008 7:07 AM   
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Bullets 'r Us.

Shoot 'm off,

we'll make more!!!!

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» Trial Lawyers and Wall Street Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» We elected him, they got (to) him Posted by: godsbreath64
Obama is just following orders.
Posted by: symcokid on Dec 6, 2008 7:20 AM   
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Barack is just a figurehead as were all of our past so called Presidents - their strategic plan agendas are laid out years in advance.

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» If u know so much... Posted by: gellero1
And what about Congress? I may be disappointed in Obama not planning to end the occupation but
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 6, 2008 7:47 AM   
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even if he does, what if Congress refuses? I hope you all know that if you're not paying attention to Congressional members who are controlled by the Corporate and Military elites, you're letting the occupation continue. Add to it, the only reason we're keeping the occupation is all about oil when in fact we have no business outlawing the right to grow our own environmentally friendly hempseed oil for all our needs and put conservation first. Furthermore, you have to remember that there are just as many military contractors as there are US troops and contractors have no oath to take. However, we the people can take control of these companies by nailing our local and state level pols in addition to Congress and the White House. I hope this information helps you people out there. Let's get back to work and fight for better representation from the ground up, from local to state to federal. We won't get miracles overnight but we can clamp down on this insanity in the long run.

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President O-we put you in, we can vote you out
Posted by: solitarysherlockian on Dec 6, 2008 8:36 AM   
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As an eternal optimist, I hope this is NOT true. But as a practical voter--I am ready to vote him out if it is.

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"Residual" force, huh?
Posted by: willymack on Dec 6, 2008 9:22 AM   
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I've got an idea for that force. Give the bushies a tour there. Equip them with all the fine Haliburton food and water, the humvees which they claim are adequate, the body armor they say is AOK, and give them a mission to locate the nine billion dollars that simply vanished there. Include the Halliburton crooks, John McCain, and the turncoat Jumpin' Joe Lieberman in the mix. Keep 'em there 'till the mission is accomplished.

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Honesty Liberals did you really think...
Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals on Dec 6, 2008 9:27 AM   
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how does it feel?
Obama is just following the Bush plan and this is a great idea. I applaud him for doing this. I know there will be a few of you "howling at the moon" however for the most part, you'll just suck it up with the likes of Sarah Palin doing her Rocky IV in the wilds of Alaska (or any other Republican for that matter).
Did you "really" think he was going pull out of Iraq? Honestly I'm glad to not see you mounting up in Washington and other parts of America blocking traffic while protesting. Really, go to a park or something, ride a bike, visit your grandmother, just chill out because I damm sure just going to relax and live life. You guys keep saying "the smart people are back in Washington" so leave your Blackberry behind and enjoy life.

p.s. Go Navy!

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» I know Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
luzilla
Posted by: luzilla on Dec 6, 2008 9:36 AM   
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J, I really do appreciate your reporting. You are on my short list of must-read journalists. This article will be very helpful for those, as you describe, who are just waking up about Obama's bad-faith and duplicitous rhetoric concerning the war.

But many of us on the left were out there, literally, screaming about what the Dem candidate was up to during the Democratic National Convention in Denver. About 10 or so thousand of us walked right up to the convention center, along with active Iraq duty vets, and knocked on the door as soon as Obama arrived last September!

We are yelling about the war and haven't stopped since 2003. The corporate media just seems not to want to report the mobilizations and civil disobedience (like all around the country last March 19th) in protest to the war.

Most print and televised news stopped being just that some time ago. It actually needs to be re-named, because it no longer informs. Folks in the anti-war and peace movements know this. Help us J. Keep covering us. Keep calling the corporate press and the government-to-be out on their Iraq policy.

We in the anti-war movement are vets, students, clergy, families of soldiers, and labor union members. None of us is giving Obama an inch of wiggle room on the issue of leaving Iraq or escalating U.S. militarism anywhere else. We never had any illusions about which way Obama was going to take the military once he was elected.

Thanks again for the excellent work you do.

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Change we can believe in
Posted by: macaac on Dec 6, 2008 10:08 AM   
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Obama mislead on some things, outright lied about others
Posted by: ATH on Dec 6, 2008 10:38 AM   
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If we want change in this country, we must make it ourselves.

Our political and economic system is completely corrupt. In order to chnge it, we must march in the hundreds of millions.

If not, we will continue to lose our freedoms, civil rights, and what little remains of our Democratic Republic to this fascist corporatism that has taken over America.

We must first re-claim our right to create currency solely for the purpose of trade. We must have a sound money system, and cause the FED to slowly be phased out, as this private banking cartel, in bed with the government, but not a government agency (Congress doesn't even audit the FED, and the FED has even stopped printing its M2 (or was it M3?) reports showing how much money they are printing. People must learn about money. Most people think inflation is prices going up, but in actuality it is the purchasing power of the dollar going down. This happens because our money is completely UN-BACKED by anything, and
the more they print, the more it devalues the dollar. Since the FED's inception, it has devalued our dollar by aprox 95%!!!

We must stop believing any of the lies that politician's tell us. Our ONLY solution is peaceful revolution in the form of non-compliance, strikes, and by removing all our
money from banks, stop using services by AT&T and Verizon, and tell them why--because they spied on us, and continue to do so. Your money and how you spend it is more important than your vote, since elections are always a choice between two evils.

Finally, the reason we must not let GM fail has nothing to do with their performance! Yes, they are a terrible company, and strict regulations and conditions should be put on the bailout loan, including new management, but
to let GM fail would be to automatically send another several hundred thousand Americans into poverty, as there are ENORMOUS amounts of
Americans who depend on their pensions, which they earned by working the same job for 35 or 40 years, and is now their primary income--especially for the group that is too old to work, but not old enough for social security.
Letting GM fail WILL send us into a depression,
if that is not already unavoidable.
Letting them fail will not hurt the CEOs, it will hurt hundreds of thousands, possibly more than a million, American citizens, and will have a rippling effect on the economy which it can not sustain right now.

Besides, America needs MORE of an industrial base, not getting rid of the last one, other than our weapons manufacture, which benefits only a very small % of people. It is this very change that happened in 1913 when the FED took over controlling our money--as President Woodrow Wilson wrote, in regret for signing the FED Act into Law, "a once great industrial nation is now dependent on its system of credit. We are no longer a government by free opinion, conviction, and the vote of the majority, but a gov't by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

We must seperate the government and corporations. If we can take the money out of politics by making the networks fulfill their obligation as a public service by providing all politican's the exact same amount of time each to campaign their messages, and for free,
politician's will no longer need these special interests money to get elected. We must make any connection to corporations a liability for politicians! For, as Mussolini said, "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is the merger of corporate and State (government) power."
Until we change this condition, nothing else will change.

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Asked for a comment, Capt. Renault said...
Posted by: wildbill on Dec 6, 2008 11:28 AM   
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..."I'm shocked, shocked to find that politics as usual is going on in here!"

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Trying to hold back my shock
Posted by: Dboy on Dec 6, 2008 11:43 AM   
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Obama Doesn't Plan to End the Occupation in Iraq


Naaw? Really? You people just now figuring this out?

dboy

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» RE: Trying to hold back my shock Posted by: photon's feather
More trickle-down
Posted by: DHFabian on Dec 6, 2008 12:10 PM   
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Obama launched his career via progressives. Much of his campaign funding came from groups of people who could scarcely afford to spare a dollar. A good many of the "foot soldiers" of the campaign, tirelessly campaigning for Barack Obama, were the poor(employed or not).
The poor to middle classes voted for Obama en masse. And why? More than anything, because he firmly, in nio uncertain terms, publicly rejected Reagan's "trickle down economics" theory (embraced by every president since) that is central to the economic disaster we have today.

Obama was elected, and what is his social/ economic agenda? No matter how you polish the language used to describe these policies, it all comes down to "more trickle-down economics." Yep, we got fooled again. Too bad, but let's face it -- we won't do anything about it.

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The trickle down theory is valid....
Posted by: gellero1 on Dec 6, 2008 4:23 PM   
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And where exactly is wealth created?? From the bottom up?? How so??

From Government?? What do they produce?. Russia has rejected socialism.

Wealth is created by machines, which are created by Capital, with the guidance and input of humans. If you don't have capital, what can you do to create anything?

Maybe you can be a poet and someone will exchange something of value and use for your verse.

The wealth at the top is what feeds you.

What do the voters know about economics?? Nada. And for that matter, Obama hasn't been in the real world ever. Only politics, as a full time career.

He played the 'Rope a Dope' strategy with his campaign. A celebrity politician. "Hope"......maybe, "Change"??............nah.......

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Our national obligation in Iraq
Posted by: PaulK on Dec 6, 2008 5:06 PM   
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We're obligated to bomb terrorists, or people that look like them, or anyone in their houses no matter how small, or weddings where people travel from afar and where they shoot off their guns.

We're obligated to find out the truth from suspects. All of them.

We're obligated to use only safe depleted uranium munitions, remember they're not radioactive. Much. There's only heavy metal pollution.

We're obligated to take care of our troops when they come home. Our half a million somewhat damaged people. Some of whom breathed safe uranium oxide smoke.

We're obligated to fight the good fight all around the world against treaties that we signed and once supported.

We're obligated to be the ugly Americans, the world's only superpower in a world of many nuclear powers.

We're obligated to come up with the money so that we can soldier on. Being the world's only superpower isn't cheap, you know. I wonder how any other country can afford it? Oh, that's right, they can't. But we're special. We can afford anything, forever.

We're obligated to twist our Christian morality around so that we can kill terrorists, or anyone with the same racial or religious characteristics as a particular set of terrorists. That means minimizing Bible verses such as "All who live by the sword shall surely die by the sword", and "Love your enemies, and do good to those who persecute you." Further, we must disavow that the people we hate uphold the same Jesus of Nazareth and the same single God.

We're obligated to take a holy once-in-a-lifetime pilgrimage called the hajj, and turn it into a term of racial derision, Hajjis. There's also the term "ragheads", which manages to include people who wear turbans in India.

As a moral self-defense mechanism, we're obligated to call a particular presidential candidate a Muslim. This is the American national obligation that President-elect Obama takes upon himself.

Why are we doing all this? Uh, for freedom. Don't you feel more free already? You, living underneath the bridge, don't you feel more free already? Won't you feel even more free in four more years?

- - - - -

We're now arming our troops with quite a few teddy bears, dolls and teacups. These actually are helping! Eventually the Army has come to see the power of having tea with Iraqi families. Power only comes from a gun while it's being waved around, but true democratic power comes from people. When our nation learns this, we will then send soldiers in with the teddy bears but without the guns.

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samg
Posted by: zipflock on Dec 6, 2008 5:12 PM   
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the times mentions, but you inexplicably don't, the fact that the new agreement between the u.s. and the iraqi government provides that ALL american troops, combat and otherwise, must be out of iraq by the end of 2011. now, of course, that agreement, like most things in this world, is subject to change. but the way it now stands, all u.s. troops are due of before january 2012.

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» Actually.... Posted by: leafsong1
New beginnings,
Posted by: sirios on Dec 6, 2008 5:48 PM   
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only occur when the present state of rot has COMPLETELY decomposed.

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Obama-Bots may finally wake up
Posted by: PointMan on Dec 6, 2008 9:20 PM   
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Or not...

Never underestimate the gullible and foolish nature of the American people. They will stay in mindless denial until the 11th hour and then claim they kind of knew, all along. And it was either Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum as "lesser of 2 evils". What naked rot.

Of course with the MSM in the pocket of the typical thugs (not to mention the "alternate" media and most of the web) it's been rather easy for corporate run DC to keep the rubes in the dark. Quite important since American boobs are paying for their own shake down.

Obama is just another puppet and Iraq another satellite conquest of corporate empire that makes no bones about genocide for profit. With its token minority leader pretending to be in charge, the police state has the perfect cover.

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» RE: Obama-Bots may finally wake up Posted by: liblady2008
This article is NOT better late than never.
Posted by: centure7 on Dec 6, 2008 11:09 PM   
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Pretty much all of my previous AlterNet postings, in addition to mentioning how Obama is a "patriot" ACT lover, make a point that Obama never had any intention of completely leaving Iraq. McCain wouldn't have done a damned thing differently than Obama will do with our military in Iraq.

Human rights hater Obama loves US military overseas and he will be damned sure there are troops in 150 countries by the time he leaves office instead of the current 140. Only 10 more countries to pretend take-over and he'll leave his mark to ensure our entire country goes bankrupt. After all he must be hell-bent on driving our country to ruin when he is planning an assinine 200B+ military budget just like Bush did.

In the old days we would just flatly steal land by ignoring treaties and bullying (ie Native Americans). These days we invade the land but then forget the stealing part, which really is a big waste of our tax dollars. So you have all the same imperial evil but its more of a sadistic evil since there seems to be no point but senseless bullying and randomly killing.

I'm not really ever sure our country ever stopped its imperialistic insanity politicians named "manifest destiny". I think after we hit the west coast we just wanted to keep going but are no longer sure how any more with selfish pillaging being so unpopular these days.

Obama will leave 10,000 troops or so in his new make-believe "territory" of Iraq. What an idiot. I guess he is only doing what his secret society leaders are telling him, but as we learned from the Nazi's the "I'm just following orders" routine is not an excuse. At least with Bush we knew which sick society he belonged to (Skull & Bones). With Obama we are left only guessing, so I like him even less to be honest. NLP mastery isn't really a true step up from drunken ramblings in the big picture, even if it does require more intelligence.

Obama, NLP Master of the United States.

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People! Lighten-up; He Isn't Even President Yet.
Posted by: AlteredStates on Dec 7, 2008 12:49 AM   
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In December of 2000, I don't think President-Elect Bush had received this much criticism yet. Give Obama a break. Let him make a few real mistakes before you start jumping on him. Obama has a lot to accomplish before he fades away from our day to day memory. He has a lot on his mind; i.e., he has to discuss "colors" with Shirley; he has a lot of photo ops. to line up; he has to build his weekend home in Bermuda (make it hurricane proof, and all that); he also has to write a book or books, about his life, to be followed by a movie of course, and no one will be able to play Obama's part except, Obama; another book about the many crisises he has had to endure; and like all good politicians, he has to start thinking about getting re-elected in 2012, (likely opponents, Sarah Palin, Jeb Bush or Dale Quayle), and last, but certainly not least, his library. A man as well read as Barack Obama should have a great library, built along the lines of the Taj Mahal but with more gold and marble, with his name inscribed in Sanskrit over each solid gold lintel and again on the altar made out of a block of Rosa Aurora marble, hand picked in Italy. And finally his retirement home; somewhere in the Italian Alps, a fitting resting place for someone who saved the world.

Hallelujah!!!

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» RE: To:CovertRage Posted by: AlteredStates
Be careful, Jeremy!
Posted by: DaBear on Dec 7, 2008 12:11 PM   
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Tim Wise will call you a barbituate Leftie!

Awesome piece and well written. Keep the legitimate critique coming, maybe we'll get the pseudo lefties like Timmy back off the happy-happy pills and start putting the oft-promised fire to 'Bama's feet so he doesn't pull a Clinton on us all.

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More of the same
Posted by: Shey on Dec 7, 2008 6:36 PM   
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Obama bashing by Jeremy Scahill, who will probably end up being the main reason I un-subscribe from AlterNet. And the sheep fall right in line, with the comments. What is wrong with you people, have all the rational adults left the room?

Scahill repeatedly uses phrases like "his (Obabma's) closest advisers, many of whom are pro-war hawks" and quotes as "sources" people like Richard Danzig, who he says may follow Robert Gates as Defense Secretary (solid sources, anyone?) as having said certain things things during the campaign", with nothing indicating he was even speaking for Obama, even back then (could you get more tabloid vague?).

Scahill also quotes as a source for his knowing exactly what Obama plans to do, Colin Karl, who "authored a paper back in April, supporting some of Scahill's crystal ball allegations, without even identifying the alleged "paper". Was it an official policy paper? Apparently not, since Scahill goes on to admit that Karl has "since tried to distance views expressed in the paper from Obama's official campaign position". And why might that be? Could it be because this unidentified paper actually didn't reflect Obama's views? Well surely never find out, in a piece this shoddy and filled with innuendos.

Then more quotes from back in March, from Samantha Power, who later resigned from the campaign.

And this final gem, a paragraph beginning with Pentagon planners say that IT IS POSSIBLE .....".
What "Pentagon planners"? Identify, please? This is the most shameful shoddy journalism and is becomming par for the course on AlterNet, especially from official Obama-basher Jeremy Scahill. This article offers nothing but speculation based on out-of-date bullshit from unnamed sources ("Pentagon planners") and resigned campaign workers from many months ago. It's sad to see AlterNet increasingly sink to this level.

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When Obama went groveling to AIPAC
Posted by: susann on Dec 8, 2008 7:12 AM   
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this past summer, that told us all we need to know that Obama would continue the War To Make The Mideast Safe For Israel.

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Skahill needs to let it go!
Posted by: CovertRage on Dec 8, 2008 1:05 PM   
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For all Skahill knows, with oil prices dropping like a rock through thin air and the majority of the factuous Iraqi government now demanding a time-table for US troop withdrawal, combat and otherwise, who's to say that the occupation won't end sooner as opposed to later? The truth is that the people of Iraq want US Forces out of their country just as badly as the US voters who elected Obama to the Presidency want our troops home. I personally prefer to hope that diplomatic negotiations can facilitate that end more than I want to grant credance to Skahill's vindictive pessimism. After all, Skahill has been wrong before. Back in 2007, before a single vote was cast, Skahill assured us Hillary was going to be our President Elect. Ever since the she began her descent into the 2008 Secretary of State appointment during her Iowa Caucus fall, Skahill has been going after Obama and all his supporters over every little undotted I and uncrossed T. It's so pathetic. His being the petulent brat hardly befits him.

Surely, an accomplished journalist like Skahill has to realize that Hillary and countless others will have the new President's ear on foreign matters, like war and occupation. So, instead of ever being the recalciltrant, accusatory contrarian always going for Obama's throat in frustration that Hillary is not the President, he needs to start pushing this occupation ending agenda off on our entire new first line of diplomacy. After all, Obama is not going to be making decisions on Iraq by himself, no matter what he said during his campaign for the Presidency. After Obama takes oath, the new President will have plenty of executive advisors, including Hillary the ever cautious concensus builder, surrounding him with deliberative reports, information, and intelligence necessary to make the best decision for all involved. It's time for Jeremy Skahill to accept at face value that America, on George Herbert Hoover Bush's watch, attacked, destroyed, and pillaged Iraq, and is therefore responsible for her restoration, a responsibily from which we can't afford to run, if we're to restore America's lost reputation on the global front within Jeremy's lifetime. Despite all Skahill's worst assumptions and most skeptical suspicions, American can now only hope and pray Obama is going to be a much better 'Decider' than his idiot predecessor.

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BUSH built four permanent bases in IRAG
Posted by: magoogle on Dec 8, 2008 8:47 PM   
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The plan to take Iraq and have a Permanent base in the middle east was the plan. Not DMDs or anything else. Billions of our taxes have gone to build four PERMANENT BASES Extremely well fortified with Air Strips and planes. They are very grand with swimming pools, Entertaiment, etc. for long term purposes. So there was never a plan to leave Irag.

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How is this surprising?
Posted by: iforgotit54 on Dec 9, 2008 7:43 AM   
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For all of us that have grown up in the shadow of, and been a witness to, this war; is it really any wonder that we're going to be in Iraq until the "unforeseeable future"? I mean, this is the face of 4/5th generational warfare. Our wars will now be longer with more civilian casualties than ever before. War has once again evolved and it's actually to Obama's credit that he's been able to keep one foot in and out the door at the same time about this. He's a good politician, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have see this coming in the primaries! What was he going to do? leave the country in shambles and blame it on the last guy in his position? I think not, no Bush and Bush's war will be leaving some residue on us for some time to come, that's what we get for opting out of an exit strategy or basic nation building strategies.

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