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To Provoke War: Cheney Considered Dressing Navy Seals as Iranians and Shooting at Them

Posted by Faiz Shakir, Think Progress at 11:00 AM on July 31, 2008.


Seymour Hersh explains Cheney's covert plans.

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From Faiz Shakir at Think Progress:

Speaking at the Campus Progress journalism conference earlier this month, Seymour Hersh — a Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist for The New Yorker — revealed that Bush administration officials held a meeting recently in the Vice President’s office to discuss ways to provoke a war with Iran.

In Hersh’s most recent article, he reports that this meeting occurred in the wake of the overblown incident in the Strait of Hormuz, when a U.S. carrier almost shot at a few small Iranian speedboats. The “meeting took place in the Vice-President’s office. ‘The subject was how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington,’” according to one of Hersh’s sources.

Interviewing Hersh during the journalism conference event, I asked him specifically about this meeting and if he could elaborate on what occurred. Hersh explained that, during the meeting in Cheney’s office, an idea was considered to dress up Navy Seals as Iranians, put them on fake Iranian speedboats, and shoot at them. This idea, intended to provoke an Iran war, was ultimately rejected:

HERSH: There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up.

Might cost some lives. And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. That’s the kind of — that’s the level of stuff we’re talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected.

Hersh argued that one of the things the Bush administration learned during the encounter in the Strait of Hormuz was that, “if you get the right incident, the American public will support” it.

“Look, is it high school? Yeah,” Hersh said. “Are we playing high school with you know 5,000 nuclear warheads in our arsenal? Yeah we are. We’re playing, you know, who’s the first guy to run off the highway with us and Iran.”

Transcript:

HERSH: There was a meeting. Among the items considered and rejected — which is why the New Yorker did not publish it, on grounds that it wasn’t accepted — one of the items was why not…

There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up. Might cost some lives.

And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. That’s the kind of — that’s the level of stuff we’re talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected.

So I can understand the argument for not writing something that was rejected — uh maybe. My attitude always towards editors is they’re mice training to be rats.

But the point is jejune, if you know what that means. Silly? Maybe. But potentially very lethal. Because one of the things they learned in the incident was the American public, if you get the right incident, the American public will support bang-bang-kiss-kiss. You know, we’re into it.

…What happened in the Gulf was, in the Straits, in early January, the President was just about to go to the Middle East for a visit. So that was one reason they wanted to gin it up. Get it going.

Look, is it high school? Yeah. Are we playing high school with you know 5,000 nuclear warheads in our arsenal? Yeah we are. We’re playing, you know, who’s the first guy to run off the highway with us and Iran.

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Tagged as: dick cheney, george bush, iran war, sy hersh, faiz shakir, navy seals

Faiz Shakir is the Research Director at the Center for American Progress and serves as Editor of ThinkProgress.org and The Progress Report.


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I laughed
Posted by: badkitty on Jul 31, 2008 11:23 AM   
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I laughed when I read the title to this, but I guess I should stop. But really, it's hilarious. Just who is Hersh's source? I know he probably can't reveal a name, but surely, he heard this from someone???

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» RE: I laughed Posted by: JSquercia
» RE: I laughed, yes I did Posted by: badkitty
» RE: Does anyone still doubt.... Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: Does anyone still doubt.... Posted by: Cybershaman
"Cheney considered dressing..."
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Jul 31, 2008 11:28 AM   
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Yeah, I bet there's some real funny get-ups in ol' Dick's closet.
On topic: there's still about 6 months to go in this disastrous administration. I'm guessing something like this is still on the table.

jdfu!

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» RE: "Cheney considered dressing..." Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: "Cheney considered dressing..." Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: 9/11 - the "fatal flaw" Posted by: editnetwork
Not Surprised
Posted by: robert.noll on Jul 31, 2008 11:30 AM   
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I am not surprised by anything this regimne does after what they did on 9/11.

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» RE: Not Surprised Posted by: johnjmccarthy
Malicious incompetance
Posted by: MThomson on Jul 31, 2008 1:08 PM   
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I, too, would like to know Hersch's source. However, seven years ago, I knew this administration would be bad for America, but I've consistently been amazed by each new, royal screw up. I took a vow not to be amazed anymore. So, sure, having the Navy stage a battle, having American sailors killing disquised American sailors, ignoring the inevitability that the "truth will out" when they least expect it. This "fake battle" plot is exactly like the comic books my buddies and I wrote in my tree house when I was 9 years old. Of course, so was their Super General holding up vials of deadly super duper poison in front of artist renderings of mobile nuke trucks for the UN and, like, tapping into every single phone of every single person in the country or, maybe, like, flying my own jet fighter to land on a battleship while the whole world cheered!
I'm reminded of the line from "Pulp Fiction:"
"Dorks! They look like dorks!"

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not so hard to believe that these guys staged 9/11
Posted by: scienceisnotconsensus on Jul 31, 2008 3:49 PM   
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It doesn't seem far-fetched to believe that 9/11 was an inside job with the way these guys think.

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911
Posted by: RobNLA on Jul 31, 2008 4:41 PM   
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My theory is that the Bush Administration kinda knew there was a threat, but let it happen so they could use it as an excuse to invade Iraq.

Bush doesn't want to capture Osama Bin Laden and crush Al Qaeda. If that happened, then the war on terror would be over, ending the war profiteering going on now in Iraq.

Bush and Cheney will definitely continue to push for a war against Iran. However, the US simply doesn't have the money or the forces to make it happen. But than again we are spending money we don't have and overextending our troops in the current wars, so those problems worse probably won't stop Bush Co.

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» Exactly Posted by: improperly_sedated
» RE: 911 Posted by: Quannah
» RE: 911 Posted by: Lauren
» RE: 911 Posted by: weathered
» RE: 911 Posted by: Aimleft
We don't need more heresay from unidentified sources...
Posted by: nmeyer on Jul 31, 2008 7:02 PM   
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Worse than this, if true, is that wormy little sources don't stop playing squealing mole and start being stand-up, ethical, responsible, patriotic adults from a civilized nation. Unless there is evidence that honest people and justice can act on, this is heresay and pathetic gossip. There are impeachment articles in the House, correct? If this crap is true, then those who withhold the evidence are as criminal as those who spoke it.

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» RE: pick your poison Posted by: cwilsondrum
Demonstration Tomorrow
Posted by: Urstrly on Aug 1, 2008 4:29 AM   
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If you live in or near a major American city, antiwar groups with be demonstrating against war in Iran on Saturday.

Check your listings, as they say

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Americans have Alzheimers? It's happened before!
Posted by: BigRon on Aug 1, 2008 6:14 AM   
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If you google "Operation Northwoods", you'll turn up dozens of accounts of a REAL false-flag operation planned in 1962 to provoke war with (i.e. to justify invading) Cuba. The plans were spiked by the incoming JFK administration, but the records fail to show that a single American serviceman was in any way punished for behaviour that people had been hanged for just 15 years earlier at Nuremberg.

It happened, it's extensively documented... and yet it's largely forgotten. What's that old saw about "people who can't learn from history are condemned to repeat it". Given how little history the USA has, you'd imagine it would be easy to learn from.

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Provocation
Posted by: Cybershaman on Aug 1, 2008 6:28 AM   
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Provocation is a cornerstone of the neocon movement. Even when they are not intentionally doing it, they are doing it.
The first eight months they were in power, with doofus head, they danced around trying to provoke an attack. It worked! They got what they wanted.
They have been shamelessly trying to provoke an attack by Iran for years. Since the Iranians are too smart for that, the Bush League starts trying to fake that attack.
Nixon provoked the Vietnam conflict while he was VP under Eisenhower. Bush (HW brand) spent his entire CIA career in operations meant to provoke others. One of the conservatives most cherished police tactics is to try and provoke a response from protesters that crosses the line into 'illegal' activity in order to justify their extreme reaction. Hell, even here the trolls try to provoke a response from us by saying the most outrageously dumb things. Sometimes I even wonder if they are't Alternet moles trying to 'stir things up' in order to maintain the traffic to their site. I mean, people can't be that dumb, can they?
You don't need to answer, I know.

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Another Gulf of Tonkein
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 1, 2008 6:37 AM   
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These hideous bastards and bitches (Hi, Condi!) are determined to launch a third front war against Iran between now and Election Day. Make no mistake about it: if (when) that happens it will only be for the benefit of the candidacy of John McCain. The Bush Mob knows full damned well that with a senile old bobblehead like McCain steering the ship of state, their crimes against humanity will be forever swept under history's rug. They will do anything to make sure that they are never exposed - even if it means the slaughter of several hundred thousand innocent men, women and little children.

Has it dawned on you yet just how dispicable these people are?

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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The Neocon WH Will Do Anything
Posted by: Betty1950 on Aug 1, 2008 7:48 AM   
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There is nothing they won't do. Keith spoke about this last night on Countdown. And, if "Fixed Noise" screams about it you will know it is true. Haven't been able to force myself to switch "Fixed" on as yet today to see if they're blathering about Hersh.

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soma
Posted by: logic on Aug 1, 2008 9:56 AM   
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Good morning America. Glad you're AWAKE. Now are you going to get out of bed?

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Cheney plots murder of Navy Seals
Posted by: FrogHollow on Aug 1, 2008 12:14 PM   
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Having pulled off 9/11, and launched their War of Aggression Against the People of Iraq, the Bush Gang and its’ sinister Neonanazicon supporters now seek to instigate an unprovoked (and unjust) war against Iran shortly before these murderers are fully exposed, placed in the docket at the Hague, and then tried for their War Crimes.

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What's the truth?
Posted by: willymack on Aug 1, 2008 12:42 PM   
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About 911, the REAL intentions of this regime, the identities of those actually IN CHARGE of the same, and the intentions of the bushies regarding the 2008 election? C'mon, tell me the truth; I can handle it. The whole goddam situation we live in seems to be based on a mountain of LIES. I don't know about the rest of you, but, for once, I'd like to hear and see the truth, the WHOLE truth, and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. Wouldn't that be nice?

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Proof about Flight 93, Imp. New Info 4 NOW
Posted by: G.Achin on Aug 1, 2008 1:21 PM   
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!!!!!Here is FLIGHT 93!!!!!

I tried posting this a little while ago with the embed code inc., but that didn't work, the article link didn't go live, etc., so just had to try again. This is flight 93 landing at the Cleveland airport. The later propaganda version that was made cuts it down to only one plane having landed then goes on to prove that it wasn't flight 93. Clearly, though, 93 was recorded landing there. There was once a better version of this video with more volume and better lighting, showing the newspaper article too about "the bomb threat", the two planes 93 and the other (111?) landing, and how they handled dealing with the "bomb threat". All the while, both on video and in print, BOTH planes are mentioned, photographed, and videoed.

If the first one doesn't come up for you, try the alt. one I loaded last year at A28 Impeachspace. The volume is REALLY low on both, so turn controls up to the max.

Flight 93 Landed in Ohio?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sueAQB3fjqo

--had to break it into two lines:
On A28 Impeach Space
http://network.a28.org/video/video/show?id=
595326%3AVideo%3A31743&context=user

ALSO:

THE FLIGHT 93 FRAUD- Smoking Gun Evidence
(old "crater"-- bombed in center, to fake it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-59kouBgO_s&feature=related

Concerning what's coming down the pike RIGHT NOW----- (ready for this???!!!)
Please go read this article at OpEd:

THE TIME HAS COME

In case that link doesn't go live, tho' broken into two lines, here's one to at least be able to copy/paste in address bar, and if THAT doesn't work, just go to OpEdnews and search for : THE TIME HAS COME with Only a Small Window Left Open

http://www.opednews.com/articles/THE-TIME-HAS-COME
-with-Onl-by-Ginny-Achin-080730-626.html

and BE SURE to watch the video linked in a comment (about the 4th?) below the article... and spread the link to this article AND that video far and wide and FAST!!!
(-:G
!!!OHBOY!!!

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I remember the Tonkin Gulf charade
Posted by: Garvagh on Aug 1, 2008 4:12 PM   
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I hope Seymour Hersh keeps careful notes of all sources etc. related to his assertion that another Tonkin Gulf "incident" was debated in Dick Cheney's offices, to set up a US attack on Iran. I confess I find it very easy to believe such an event took place.

I recommend that those following what Zbigniew Brzezinski recently called a macabre "dance of death" by Israel, the US and Iran, view Brian Williams' superb interview with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, conducted in Tehran earlier this week. The Iranian president makes better sense, to me, than anything I am hearing from John McCain. McCain, we should keep in mind, takes his advice from that appalling bearded creep, Randy Sheunemann. He and David Addington (Cheney's chief-of-staff) appear to be cut from the same cloth.

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Worthy of G. Gordon Liddy!
Posted by: JakobFabian01 on Aug 1, 2008 7:17 PM   
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That's what I think of he idea that we could start a war with Iran by shooting at our own soldiers. Mr. G. G. Liddy, back in the days of Nixon, made very similar proposals. If I recall correctly, Liddy wanted to solve the problem of the unpopularity of the Vietnam War by rounding up anti-war protesters and deporting them directly to Mexico without a trial. Fortunately, this proposal was not implemented.

I wonder: Was G. Gordon Liddy himself present at those meetings with Cheney?

It has been suggested by a previous commentator that Sy Hersh's account is questionable because he names no source. Well, I'm not sure about that. Did he name a source privately to his editor, who refused to send his draft to print? We don't know. However, Hersh has a pretty good track record as a journalist, and I'm willing to believe what he says over Cheney ANY day.

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maybe a little jejune
Posted by: garella on Aug 2, 2008 7:43 AM   
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So, let me get this straight. According to Hersh's sources (which are most likely very good), there was this meeting in Cheney's office to discuss ways to provoke a war.
And and this meeting, somebody made this crazy suggestion. Hersh presumably asked the source if it was Cheney who said that. At least, you'd expect him to. If the source had said it was Cheney, then Hersh surely would have included that in his account. So the source must have either refused to say, or said it wasn't Cheney, and Hersh should have said which one it was (if did, Shakir should have included that).
In any case, the crazy idea was "ultimately" rejected, which means it may have been rejected almost immediately.
The information we have doesn't justify linking Cheney to the plan as strongly as Alternet's headline does: For all we know, Cheney was the one who rejected it.
The reality here is that they are looking for ways to provoke a war. That's bad enough.

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Got it backwards...
Posted by: adempatriot on Aug 3, 2008 12:39 PM   
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(not to be taken literally)
Actually Cheney wanted to dress up Iranians as baby seals, so he could club them to death.
Not really. But it's not as if he would be above even that.

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