Why pick on Clinton because she seems to have so many?

But this crazy woman has a point, she just takes it too far. I know many sane women who have the same feeling, that Clinton lost because she is a woman. They have seen it too many times, and some of them seem to have bet the farm on this one. This crazy woman is actually right, that her whole life she has been treated as a second class citizen.

I believe that Obama won in a fair fight, and for that reason deserves the presidency more than Clinton.

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If these women really would rather vote for McCain that Obama then they do nothing at all to further their cause or support women. When our congress decided that it was not against the law to pay women less for the same job a man beside her is doing, McCain said that women just needed to educate themselves more. Does that mean we need twice the qualifications as the man beside us to get paid the same? He also vowed to continue appointing the same types to the courts as Bush did. Remember that includes anywhere from one to four new Supreme Court justices. The same court that ruled if you as a women can not prove you are being paid less in three months..forget taking it to court at all. Tell me how any of them can vote for McCain and claim they are feminists. Its that kind of thinking that keeps women "second class citizens"

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Who knows? I suspect some of them will be. But the same would have been true the other way, in all probability. It's just a matter of how many of them do so.

Some could withhold their vote. That's how I felt about the possible choice of Clinton vs. McCain (all other candidates being unlikely to really make a showing)... or I would just have selected one of the other candidates. As a Progressive, I absolutely could not vote for McCain. Sadly, I don't see Clinton as being likely to promote an adequately progressive agenda, so I would not vote for her, either.

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..I wonder if part of the reason people like the woman in this video are so angry falls at the feet of HRC herself? It bears mentioning that she and her campaign have been calling the issue of the FL and MI delegates an issue on fairness and representation. Lets not forget that she (and her supporters on the committee) had ample time to protest and revise these rule BEFORE the primaries, and she signed on to the agreement not to seat these delegates. Only when her campaign hit the rocks did she begin to protest these rules in the name of "fairness and making sure all votes are counted". It is this type of calculation, and her me-first party and country be damned attitude that caused me to vote for Obama in the primary (as well as a bunch of other policy issues).

Let me be clear: I am male, I am white. I have worked for greater women's participation in a variety of spheres, and put this into practice where I am employed. I have marched with women, and have long standing friendships with many staunch feminists. I would have supported a number of women as enthusiastically as I support Obama, but HRC is not one of them, and it has nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with her policies and political thuggery. I do not deny that there has, and will continue to be, sexism involved here, but this does not override the simple fact that there are quite a lot of reasons not to like HRC that in no way involve sexism. I am sorry for all the women who feel disenfranchised because of what has happened, but we will make no progress if HRC supporters cut off their nose to spite their face. McCain will be a disaster for the anyone who is not rich, and white. Take a deep breath out there, and don't do anything you will regret for the next four years come november.

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ain't on youtube either.

Anybody know where I can find it?

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I originally swore that I would not vote for Clinton if she managed to steal the nomination through the "Super-delegates" and/or other underhanded manipulation of the nomination process. Then I read the article on Alternet regarding the future of the Supreme Court, and thoroughly understood the consequences of having another Bush Republican in the position to appoint the next generation of Supreme Court members. Just this one issue made me realize how powerful the reactionary Republicans have made the Supreme Court (along with the spineless Democrats) in their own image, despite their claims that they are "constitutionalists" in their desire for the Court proceedings.

All you folks out there who refuse to believe that Clinton really screwed herself with her campaign "strategy (?)" for the nomination and are swearing to not vote for Obama, should really look to the next 4-8 years and see how the Supreme Court will be if McCain becomes the next President. You are not just shooting yourself in the foot, you are cutting it off and eating it.

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First, I am one of these so called "unrepresented Floridians". I don't understand why this is such a big deal. I switched parties in the primary, so my vote would count. EVERYONE said my vote wouldn't count, so I didn't vote for my democratic nominee. I voted for Ron Paul because I wanted to send a message to the Republican Party "GET OUT OF IRAQ". The only message we're sending the GOP is that we're not unified as a party. And clearly, if this lady was a Clinton supporter, but won't for Obama and instead vote for McCain- we are NOT unified.

Second: There isn't a real big difference between Obama and Clinton. (Small things like Barack Obama would give more money to students and Pell Grants, but Clinton's health care plan is different.) The only real difference is their personalities. Yes, they have different reproductive parts. They stand for pretty much the same ideas, have the same plans. It seems pathetic that individuals wouldn't vote for the Democratic Party because their candiate didn't make it. Well, just because Dennis Kucinich doesn't make it (any year) doesn't mean I'm going to be pised off and not understand the importance of my vote. There is a huge difference between Barack Obama and McCain. If individuals like this lady are going to vote for McCain just because Hillary lost, then the Clinton has some work to do. And their legacy probably depends on it.

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Rules be dammed. Forget the delegate count. Nothing would have made this person happy except the straight forward annointment of Hillary. The Florida Michigan compromise was a wortheless gesture. I just hope there are enough unhappy Republicans willing to vote for Obama over McCain.

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I saw this crazy lady on the news. I'm not convinced that she's from the Clinton camp. I don't care how many phone calls she made and how long she volunteered for Clinton. It looked rehearsed and contrived. I thought she was a McCain plant. I mean it was an uneventful Sunday night. If she simply bashed Hillary that might have been acceptable but the ranting about voting for McCain I don't buy. Thanks, ANNA

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Shrill, mean-spirited, selfish as hell and has the maturity (and brain power) of a two year old. Go ahead you crazy loon and vote for McCain - then when he's in the White House, you'll REALLY be a second class citizen.

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or incredibly stupid. redundant I know,but seriously, she's delusional.

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I know it will be hard to ignore the harpie and her hordes, but I think the media will stop covering her after tomorrow. She knew the rules before the game started. She agreed to those rules. Much like Scott McClellan, it's a little late to cry foul now. It is obvious that if the boot were on the other foot, she would staunchly stand by the letter of the law, and insist that Michigan and Florida should have known better, and deserve to be left out at the convention. It's a childish, mean-spirited, cynical ploy. I am female, over 55 and I DO NOT support Hillary Clinton. So damn the demographics. It's not gender, it's common sense. I support the concept and the eventual reality of a woman president, just not that woman.

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Why would you call this woman crazy? She is simply expressing her disbelief and anger at what she sees has been the demeaning and mistreatment of a former First Lady, a two time Senator from the state of NY, a viable, qualified and experienced candidate who has been villified daily by the MSM and Obama supporters.

She has seen this woman who has devoted her career in the service of others labeled a racist. She has heard the critics ridicule her voice, her appearance, her clothing, and her clapping of all things.

She has witnessed this candidate who is ahead in the popular vote, who has managed to gain the votes of almost 18 million people dismissed and told to get out of the race. She speaks for many of us.

What you fail to see is that there is a real movement out there to disassociate ourselves from a party who has said in so many words that we are no longer needed. We have watched this party who promised change in 2006 take impeachment off the table, refused to cut war spending, gave Mukasey a pass as AG, bend over to Bush on everything he asked for while Pelosi and Reid wagged a finger in rebuke. Not enough.

Why would we remain loyal to a party who never spoke out against those bogus charges of racism aimed at the Clinton's for political expediency? Why would we remain loyal to a party who never addressed the issues of sexism against a female candidate? Why should we listen now when they put out the touchy feelies in trying to get us onboard a campaign of a man who is unqualified and inexperienced against a woman who has years of service?

Come Novemeber many of us will seriously consider how we will approach that voting booth. Do not for a minute downplay our disgust as nothing more than a temper tantrum. This Dem Party needs a message that we have had enough of a congress whose approval ratings are lower than Bush and a candidate who is unprepared.

I fail to see how this vague message of "hope" and "change" will make a difference when the same old, same old faces will still be steering the course.

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I have one thing to say to the lady from Manhattan;

Relax.

If you vote for McBush because of your selfish shit, good day.

It's time to put the stupid shit behind us and get busy fixing what McCain’s brains have brought us; absolutely Nothing.

Goes double for Arbusto, the most arrogant prick the world has ever known, or not, depending on how to read the hopelessly stupid.

You want to be pissed off for not getting what you wanted, try being a Republican for a few hours; kick your feet, scream, and bitch about the democrats, then fuck off.

It’s all we have left, so to speak.

You want change in this country, get off your ass and make it happen.

Sorry Ms. Christian, the bus left, and you missed it.

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To sum things up: No matter who defeated HRC, to this nutty woman and many others, that defeat was automatically going to be sexist in origin. To her, any decision by the DNC, no matter how practical or how fair, was going to be sexist, unjust, misogynist and another affront to women.

She likely had her reactionary claim that she'd vote for McCain prepared in advance. Her ridiculous tirade indicates she is her own worst enemy. Who is going to take either her or her candidate seriously if this is her manner of presenting herself and dealing with reality?

She's a second-class citizen of her own making in this case.

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Anyone who votes for any politician in the next presidential election is living in a dream world where votes count, little pink fairies flit and flicker amoung penutbutter and jelly skies filled with marshmallow clouds oozing the pure liquid honey of gastronomic excess!

Good God! Demosthenes must be rotating at 500,000 rpm by now. LOOOK OUT!

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It's a long, long time from May to November...

People like this will have plenty of time to calm down and look at what they're doing. Most will stay Democratic and vote for Obama; some will not vote at all; fewer will actually follow through with their pique and shoot themselves in the foot with a McCain vote.

People care about this election and know how important it is. I cannot see a McSame victory at all this November; it makes no sense given the incredible mess the repugs have made of things.

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that this harridon is actually a "Clinton supporter"! If she is not a plant, I would disavow her immediately. I say this because if I were to make such an utter fool of myself in the public domaine, I sure as heck wouldn't stop and spell my name for a reporter. Good grief, if she is on the level, we won't have to worry about her voting for McCain in the fall, she'll be locked up somewhere. Maybe she is already and they just gave her a weekend pass.

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Sen Kucinich was the best qualified candidate, but I don't remember him (or me) throwing a tantrum when he did not get the popular or delegate votes to make it all the way. Grow up people.

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Had Harriet Christian simply told the camera that white women feel disenfranchised, no camera would have gotten turned on. White women, uneducated, hard working lower class (as they are named), along with the middle and upper class, educated ones, are angry. We do feel dienfranchised and humiliated by the BO narrative.

Hillary has earned, if not the candidacy for the top spot, then the second place of VP on the ticket. It actually is probably the only way to save the ticket. Will the DNC "allow" HIllary to be VP? The press and the power players, along with BO certainly haven't "allowed" Hillary to be treated with respect. And they have not respected her base.

The WW of all ages and educational stripes are watching, and it really depends on what the Democratic party will "allow" Hillary. It is obvious that BO is willing to sacrifice this demographic, and conversely he probably will deny himself our reciprocity. If a candidate discounts me, why would I want more of this?

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When rules committees eliminate all the opposition and prevent candidates from getting on the ballot, you say it is not fair. But, If Ralph Nader cant get access or most other 3rd party candidates, you are quite silent. Can you hear the silence of people struggling over scraps?

SICKO By Michael Moore discredited Hillary as a drone of the Corporations. Most people want National Health Care but poor Hillary was being paid by the HMO's to vote against us. There is no democracy in America because crooks like her have sold us out. Now they cry about rules in Florida and Michigan while they openly wage war against us and this constitution. This is really sick.

We live in a fascist state made that way by the corruption of our candidates like Barak Obama and Hillary Clinton. They have sold us out. You are barking up the wrong tree.

If you want rules, let third party candidates participate. Instead, your rules blow them out of the national picture.

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Clinton was rejected because she is female.
If Obama was rejected it was because he is black.

Get over this nonsense. We need to get a fresh start. Nominating another Clinton would not be fresh. Bill proves every time he opens his mouth.

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When I saw this screaming banchee, all 'angry' and 'outraged,' I immediately saw a Republican operatove of Rush's little band of Operation Chaos goons.

As the Committee Meeting proceeded, the rude and distracting comments yelled out were met with appropriate admonitions against such outbursts. "You disrespect your candidate," was comes to mind. Exactly.

If she is so willing to vote for McBush because the Rules Committee compromised in true Democratic procedure, then her public distain for the process illustrates her lack of support for the Democratic Party.

She was a plant. Her goal was chaos.

Let's celebrate Hillary Clinton's historic and valiant campaign, and keep our eye on the prize - the toppling of the corrupt Republican Cabal and the Re-surpation of America.

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She didn't run a "woman's" campaign. She ran the campaign of DNC machine-politicians Bill Clinton, Mark Penn, Terry MacAuliffe, Harold Ickes and Howard Wolfson - some of the worst of the worst in the "Democratic" Party. There is nothing "democratic" about the presidency they wanted, and Hillary had her chance to run a true woman's campaign. She didn't. (Ask yourself why she couldn't answer the question about the bankruptcy bill? Because she didn't give a damn about women when she voted in favor of it, that's why!)

She ran an old-school campaign and had no idea what the sentiment was out here, because she didn't - and doesn't - really care about "out here".

Good riddance. Maybe we can see some real reform now if we can push Billary off the stage they thought they owned.

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sit her down with a nice cuppa and a nosh. She'll be ok. She just lost it when the cameras were running.

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Let's hope not. No one could be worse than John McCain as president - I truly believe he would be worse than Bush if that's possible. I don't think any of the candidates are worthwhile but John McCain is the worst of the bunch. Besides, he's 72 frickn' years old...we don't need someone that old as president.

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What a fruitcake!

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Now what? She's spent her political capital, she has her mob of cranky old women, but she's painted herself into a corner.

Having established that she holds nothing (even the good of the Party and the Country) higher than her own ambition, she is totally untrustworthy. So she can't be offered anything in exchange for her (doubtful) assistance/team effort/cooperation/support.

What is there left for Hillary? She's lost a lot of cred in the Senate as a result of forcing her colleagues to take sides.

I guess we have to look at the fate of Geraldine Ferraro to forecast Hillary's lot.

Guess there will now be two Cliton's on the talk circuit, selling their diminishing influence to the highest bidder.

Really embarrasing for this country; contrast the Clinton legacy with that of Carter and you understand that, for the Clintons, it's all about money and power and ego. Always has been

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"If Obama gets the nomination, will Clinton supporters really be angry enough to vote McCain in the general election?"

Anger might play a part, but I suspect stupidity will play an even larger role if Clinton supporters cast their votes for McCain.

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By Argus Hamilton

http://www.JewishWorldReview.com


Hillary Clinton drank with reporters on her plane Friday and was photographed dancing in the aisle, holding a glass and looking tipsy. God has a plan for everybody. If she can't be the next Margaret Thatcher maybe she can be the next Betty Ford.

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Maybe someone out there can help me out. I was under the impression that it was the FL state legislature, Republican dominated, that changed the date of our primary. I think this was a ploy by Republicans to achieve exactly the result they got, disqualification of some or all of our delegates. The issue of changing the date of the primary was not voted on by the people. Why were we penalized for something we had no control over?
Does anyone know who ultimately was responsible for changing the date of the primary?

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I was a hillary supporter all the way, mostly, because, well like so many feminists , gloria steinhem and others like kim gandy of NOW; I too wanted to see a woman president.
BUT...... back in april I had to ask myself, especially after obama said he'd repeal the partial birth anti-abortion law; push for low income reality based contraception sex ed; who is the true liberal feminist here??? that and what obama said about how the government has no business regulating marriage and civil unions ONLY - shall be the govt's department; while ONLY the churches should be in the business of marriage- his obvious answer to same-sex LGBT marriage! that and having to admit that the reverend wright had a valid point when he said how hillary, being a white woman raised in a privileged background, did not understand what being the ni**er was like!"[ HE'S RIGHT! many po