Filling the heads of children with lies and nonsense is child abuse!
The Flintstones is not good science, in fact, it is not science at all.

What would you like to bet this assault on knowledge is given a tax exempt status?

Is there any wonder why India, China, North Vietnam and all the European countries are graduating more scientists and engineers per capita than we are! Children in the rest of the world will not have the same handicap, especially in the biological sciences.

Is there any wonder why our high paying jobs that require academic achievement in the sciences are being filled by immigrants or being lost overseas, lost forever - period?

I don't know what the answer is to save our country, but a necessary start would be to get every Republican out of elected and appointed office at all levels of government as soon as we possibly can. The next step would be to require academic qualifications tests for those who want to do home schooling, set up a system to make sure that the individual with the responsibility to educate children at home is qualified to the level that a public school teacher teaching the same curriculum is.

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Don't worry. Once PEAK OIL catches up, these self-deluded "creationists" won't be all that stellar. By the way, what do creationists have to say about all those PHONEY patents KILLING creativity and creative thinking in America? These phoney patents are more than enough to make Hitler and Stalin blush !

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This certainly EXPLAINS HOW Bush was elected . These people are MIND Numbingly STUPID . Ignorant and proud to be so .
There is no reason one can NOT believe in Science and God since the idea of how long a day is in the bible is not necesarily expalained particularly since the idea that God created Light did not happen on the first day .
Remember these are the same people who believed the earth was the center of the Universe .

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It is not only the creationists that are the problem. I am a riding teacher in a public barn, and every day I listen to other teachers saying things that are the secular equivalent of this insanely skewed view of how things work. I am often in despair when I see children being indoctrinated with pernicious notions while their parents stand on the sidelines listening to the lies "the teacher" repeats day after day. Sure, they are not experts in horsemanship, but most of what these charlatans are saying is so easily challenged on the basis of reason and common sense. It is the parents who are responsible for putting their children into good educational environments, and where do we find those? And if the parents aren't educated, as these clearly are not, how are they to make good judgements?

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These are the masses with the automatic weapons. These are the fuckers we're going to be fighting with over what's left of the water, food, shelter, medicine, etc.

These are also the same people that will think nothing of peeing in the drinking water and selling/trafficking their females between hordes.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

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jackasses, and that is what this video shows. I really think home schooling is to keep their pint sized bombies away from kids of "that color". These born agains make me wish I didn't believe in gun control. And they VOTE!

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This reminds me of that movie, Idiocracy. It is truly sad to see this sort of thing. The worst part is that they are teaching kids to filter BEFORE they collect information for learning. They are being taught close-minded thinking. Looking back on my christian childhood, I feel robbed of real and meaningful education. Today, christians seem to be bringing it down a notch - like our education system in the US. Sickens me.

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The funny thing is that these guys mentioned several times how evolution is just some concocted fairy tale. Yet, they never ever seem to question the ancient book they hold so dear that was written and re-written (and whole sections left out) by MEN (not God) who had their own agendas in mind. Many many religions throughout human history had some sort of idea of a creation story as a way to explain their existence, so this is not a uniquely Christian concept though I am sure they like pride themselves with it.

Sadly enough, I live in Louisville KY and we actually have a creationist museum about an hour and a half away. I hear that not only do they depict T-Rex as being a vegetarian, but he also sports a saddle! I sort of wanted to go and see this myself but decided that I didn't want to waste my time (or money) getting upset.

And if those Christians in the video actually READ the Bible (as most do not) they would know that according to Matthew chapter 6 one should not put on a vain display of praying in public.
But then again they like to pick and choose whatever suits them from the Bible like it's some kind of buffet.

Boy am I glad that I am Naturalist/Humanist. It makes living a lot more simple and peaceful with no God judging and condemning me all the time.

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That people will deny evidence and hold on to beliefs by "faith" is a symptom of several problems in our country.

1) The US educational system has castrated curiosity, thus creating a citizenry that lacks the ability to think critically. This is not a recent development, but the particularly nefarious No Child Left Behind Act imposes strict curriculum guide lines on teachers to prevent, indeed, impair critical thought by forcing teachers to teach to the high stakes tests and that knowledge is contained in multiple choice answers that are given to the test taker. The result of a dumbed down education and instruction is an ignorant populace.

2) The media perpetuates the ignorance of citizens by participating in the dumbing down of society. Those of us who seek alternative news sources already know that helpful, honest news and information do not come from the mainstream media. Indeed, the above report may compare the two stances on our universe, but it does not question the source of the Creationists' ignorance.

The report actually gave equal time to the arguments. Moreover, a five minute report can not look in depth at the cultural, social, political factors of fundamentalist Christian identity. The media cannot do so to it's own detriment. A good report would force them to reflect on their own complicity in the perpetuation of ignorance.

3) Last, those who seek comfort in ignorance have their reasons which are many and complicated, but suffice it to say that Hope lies in ignorance. As one fundamentalist friend of mine posited, if there is no heaven or hell, i.e. divine punishment, what is to stop people from doing horrendous things? Considering that question and the attrocities of the last century, it gave me pause. While Christians have committed horrendous acts of violence throughout history, Darwin's theory opened the door for horrific atrocities.

I think Rev. Wright's sermon is the answer to our problems, in that it serves to radically challenge what we think and believe about race in america and the role of empire in all of this mess. Is it Jesus that is so bad, or the imperialism that usurped his message that we are struggling to defeat?

peace

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You think you are so above these creationist freaks, and yet most of you believe it's a 2 party system and that 911 was done by Bin Laden? Get real. You're all just as backward and stupid as these a-holes who think the world is 6,000yrs old. Fucking peasants.

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We recorded Jesus Camp months ago and have yet to watch it for the same reasons Adam states in his post. This propagation of pseudo-science is another indication of our failure to properly educate American children. Scientists and engineers have formed an organization dedicated to electing politicians who respect evidence and understand the importance of using sound scientific and engineering principles in making public policy. I encourage everyone who’s disturbed about the suppression of scientific analysis to visit their website at www.sefora.org. Removing politicians who put ideological interests ahead of scientific truths is the only way to rid our society of these pseudo elected officials.

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Maybe it was just me, but some of those kids had pretty skeptical expressions on their faces. These guys' routine is so over the top, at least a few of these kids are bound to start realizing that their parents are being mislead by a bunch of charlatans and idiots.

I have a feeling that guy is eventually going to regret having taught those kids to repeat over and over "HOW DO WE KNOW?"

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There are "Creation Museums" devoted specifically to intelligent design. Fascinating.

If one is really intelligent and open and studies the 'evolution theory', one will soon see that 'evolution theory' is impossible.

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eddie izzard has it right...
if god is all powerful, why didn't he create the world
in one day and have six days of rest??

this is so sad.........

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.... a conceptual invention of the mindless, used by the thoughtless to convince the credulous to accept the ridiculous.

These are the very morons we must constantly battle every freakin' day for a more sane and reasonable world. It's like shoveling shit against the tide.

I really feel sorry for the children of these idiots.
~Rev. El
Pastor, WVCSR

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These two guys have found, like many other tent preachers before them, i.e., Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, Tammy Faye Bakker, Pat Robertson, a lucrative niche peddling the intangible. They're creationist-izing their way to the bank on the backs of stupid peasants.
True Christians should see them for the religious hijackers that they are. They're perverts of the lowest order. They don't believe the BS they're spouting any more than you and I believe that the moon is made of cheese.
The current crew of wannabe presidents should be asked, point-blank what they think of this kind of indoctrination.
Does the Denver museum receive federal funding of any sort?

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Disease isn't caused by microbes, it's caused by the Debble

Earth is the center of the universe, and I will burn anyone who disagrees with me

Maggots spontaneously arise from rotting meat, and worms come from horse hairs that fall into the river..


Any other theories these geniuses have put forth only to have them crushed throughout history? Did I cover the majority?

What really sucks is while these people are poisoning the realm of science, they derive benefit from the very science they abhor through medicine and the like.

Evolutionary models are essential to researching drug resistant microbes.

Evolutionary models can and have been observed in nature - A certain moth in England comes to mind, as well as some fish in a mountain stream, and the drug-resistant biofilms found in hospitals.

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and we had an argument about this a couple of weeks ago. What struck me is that, beyond the specifics of evolution, they're arguing against the Newtonian model of the universe. The creationists don't seem to have gotten to Einstein yet, let alone the quantum physicists.

jdfu!

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"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof."

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This look like child abuse to me!

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I'd be willing to bet that the parents of these kids vote a straight republican ticket.
I don't understand how a parent in good conscience, no matter how devout in their beliefs could allow their children to hear such rubbish. Not only hear it but be forced to repeat it.
These two dumb asses can't even answer simple questions that poke holes in their asinine theory.

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Thank you for doing so much to
educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you
and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional
amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God
marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual
lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly
states it to be an abomination... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of
God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female,
provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

4. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2.
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill
him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

5. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

6. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

7. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
Lev.19:27. How should they die?

8. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

9. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble
of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't
we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with
people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

A True Believer

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did not hit the bullseye. Sloppy fluff piece that is indicative of US TV these days.

There are many examples of how Nightline blew it - here is one:

800 years x 7 generations = 5,600 years

People do not give birth to children at the end of their lives - until the 20th century most people gave birth in their teens or 20s.


Another one at the end:

When the guide stated people choose to believe in evolution - "we choose to believe in" the bible. That could have been challenged effectively, but NL missed the point.

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www.whatthef#&k.com is going on here?! Ignorance rules? I guess so and ABC has to report it on Nightline which use to rock when Ted Coppell use to be there. And where in this report are the scientist that have proven Darwin's theory over and over again? I guess it's not sexy enough for the networks to have the other point of view. These people that are creationist are copping out on science, that is the fact. They're lazy and they just do not want to think too much I guess. Things do change over time and things on earth always, ALWAYS change. They never stay the same.

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As mentioned all dating is based either directly or indirectly, on radiometric dating.

Radiometric dating makes a couple of assumptions that are way off base.

The first of which, is that we can project the decay of carbon (or other elements)over millions of years, based on that data that we have accumulated in less than a 100 years since we learned to measure decay in the first place. A 100 year reference sample in a curve that is not only non-linear, but not even necessarily 2 or 3 diminensional, does not even begin to define a curve. It is flawed data.

The second assumption is that time itself flowed the same over this "several million year period". This is in direct contradiction to Einsteins general and specific theories of relativity. The earth is in motion at all times, meaning that in a different time, it is in a different place. It has been proven that time does NOT flow the same, at different locations in the universe.

How can scientists presume to date things from a different time, with time itself functioning differently, based on the radioactive decay that they haven't observed long enough to make a decent measurment of?

It's flawed science.

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When these home schooled kids want to go to college, they are going to be surprised to find out that they are a minority. Thet will fail all science classes that are needed to get an acreditted degree and wind up be qualified to work only at McDonalds.

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At the beginning of the video, Mr. Tourguide tells the kids that it was Jesus who created the Earth and all living things. Not according to the Bible he didn't! Jesus was not even on the scene at the beginning of the Second Testament. What, create the Earth without his dad, transform himself into Charlton Heston and hand out the Ten Commandments, then reduce himself to a zygote, blast himself forward int time with some sort of Star Trek transporter, then implant himself in Mary (after projecting a really cool voice over to explain the whole virgin birth thing) before taking part in the manger scene as a baby? HOWL!

This bogus Bible beater is so busy making up crap he can't even remember the baseline story he is trying to defend. What a clown!

And why in the world is he claiming he is going to the museum for "good science" when he clearly has no clue about science, good or otherwise?

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i think this is really a none story. the fact that they are stating that half the population believes in creationism is not a fact at all. it is less than that. these are obviously private tours by christian groups. it's not as though the museum is sponsoring these tours.

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A good analogy is jigsaw puzzles. As pieces are found, examined, and fitted, a picture begins to form. The more pieces, the more thinking this takes; big puzzles require a lot more effort. Edge pieces come first. Missing pieces stand out. Some pieces are too similar but seem to fit at first. Pieces from other puzzles don't fit the picture.

Imagine the theory of evolution has millions of pieces. It has taken centuries to fit this much together and there's many pieces still unfound. In the 1800's, a picture began to form and since then millions of pieces have fitted, refining the picture.

Creationism is similar to a puzzle with big animal shapes and little handles. There's not a lot of thought allowed. It's easy and quick. No complications arise, except from the toddlers who want to put together a more realistic picture. They are told to pray for forgiveness instead.

Until they mature a little more, it's difficult for "toddlers" to grasp the idea of grownup jigsaw puzzles, let alone handle the pieces and fit it together. It's just too early for them. The ones with their hands over their eyes and ears are too busy chanting to form a picture.

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I think these 50/50 split indicates it is time to split
the country into two separate countries. They'll get
their walmart sized concert baptist ministries and we'll get our starport with flights around the galaxy. Amen.

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I am amazed that so much hate is spewed and idiocy reigns supreme over a piece of poetic prose about our world's beginnings.

Those who say it is the literal truth are guilty of erasing any wonder and mystery about what our senses, thinking and discovery tells us. They insist we know it all, there's nothing new to learn. So, our curiosity lies in shambles.

Those who say it is not the truth and only science is perfect knowledge are equally culpable in attacking the value such stories have in exciting humans beings to explore our beginnings. They insist we can learn nothing from reading stories and should eradicate them. So, our sense of awe is ground into dust.

Nowhere in the world do I see such a polarised view on biblical writings as I do in US America. Or, perhaps it is both mainstream AND alternate media in the US who poorly reflect the majority of what US Americans really think.

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I guess it's just too inconvenient to mention the fact that the Bible doesn't mention these huge animals in the garden with Adam and Eve. I think these bozos are doing these children a great disservice. For years people have believed in God and science. Now these jerks come along and say that it's not possible to believe in both. The Bible was written years after the actual events. We are dealing with old writings and even some that were purposely left out because the church leaders didn't want them in. So how reliable is the Bible? Not very. Especially if it was written by a 700 year old. I'd like these two to explain how people lived to be 700 years old when now we have all this modern medicine and very few make it to 100. And those who do certainly couldn't write a Bible. Maybe McCain could get one of these old timers to run for VP. At least then he would seem young.

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get em while they're young and gullible

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