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Bush Says Americans Must Thank Telecoms for Spying on Them, It's "Patriotic Service"

Posted by Amanda Terkel, Think Progress at 9:07 AM on March 13, 2008.


All three networks carried President Bush’s address to the American public bashing the House’s compromise wiretapping legislation.
Bush: Telecoms ‘Should Be Thanked For Their Patriotic Service’

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Today, all three networks carried President Bush’s address to the American public bashing the House’s compromise wiretapping legislation. During the speech, Bush once again criticized the American public for failing to fully appreciate the patriotic sacrifices of the nation’s telecoms:

Companies that may have helped us save lives should be thanked for their patriotic service, not subjected to billion-dollar lawsuits that would make them less willing to help in the future.
The House bill may be good for class action trial lawyers, but it would be terrible for the United States.

Claiming that telecoms are patriotic corporations that should be thanked by the American public is Bush’s latest talking point in his push for retroactive immunity, but hardly his only one. A look at Bush’s claims:

1. The House bill “would require the disclosure of state secrets.” The House’s compromise legislation specifically addresses this issue by allowing “defendants in civil lawsuits would have the right to present classified evidence to the judge in such cases, without the plaintiffs being present.” [Link]

2. Without granting telecoms immunity, Americans won’t be “safe from terrorist attack.” Telecoms have continued to cooperate with the administration’s wiretapping since the expiration of the Protect America Act. Intelligence officials now simply need to get a warrant to carry out surveillance; warrants can even be obtained after the surveillance has begun. [Link; Link]

3. The House bill is “good for class action trial lawyers.” In reality, the lawyers representing the plaintiffs in these cases work in “small” nonprofits with “tiny” budgets. If anyone’s looking for a “financial gravy train,” it’s conservatives, who are “griping” that their efforts to protect telecoms haven’t yielded more contributions from the industry. [Link; Link]

4. Telecoms should be “thanked for their patriotic service.” These corporations chose to break the law and profited greatly from doing so. At least one company refused to comply with the Bush administration’s request because it knew the actions were illegal. [Link]

Maybe Americans should tell the telecoms they’re doing a heckuva job.

Transcript:

BUSH: Second, the House bill fails to provide liability protection to companies to have believed in protecting and assisting our nation after 9/11 attacks. Instead, the House bill would make matters even worse by allowing litigation to continue for years. In fact, House leaders simply adopted the position that class action trial lawyers are taking in the multi-billion dollar lawsuits they have filed.
This litigation would undermine the private sector’s willingness to cooperate with the intelligence community. Cooperation that is absolutely essential to protecting our country from harm. This litigation would require the disclosure of state secrets that could lead to the public release of highly classified information that our enemies could use against us. and this litigation would be unfair.
Because any companies that assisted us after 9/11 were assured by our government that their cooperation was legal and necessary. Companies that may have helped us save lives should be thanked for their patriotic service, not subjected to billion-dollar lawsuits that would make them less willing to help in the future.
The House bill may be good for class action trial lawyers, but it would be terrible for the United States.

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Tagged as: domestic spying, telecom immunity, fisa, bush

Amanda Terkel is Deputy Research Director at the Center for American Progress and serves as Deputy Editor for The Progress Report and ThinkProgress.org at the Center for American Progress.


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Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon on Mar 13, 2008 9:23 AM   
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I am glad I live in the Qwest area, one of the few telecoms who did not spy on their customers. However, I imagine that once the call or internet message went off the Qwest system, it was monitored by the rest of the unAmerican companies in the pay of the Bush crime family. They were doing this before 9-11 and even with 9-11, it should not have been done. We still have a constitution in this country in spite of the Bushco trashing of it.Their should not be amnesty for them at all, nor for the entire Bush crime family including those in the House and Senate.

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» RE: No Thanks Posted by: georgiaorwell
» RE: No Thanks Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Mail box is full Posted by: zenbruder
» RE: No Thanks Posted by: phoneguy
Recommendation
Posted by: Xynyx on Mar 13, 2008 9:31 AM   
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George W. Bush needs to choke on another pretzel.

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COMCAST = big brother
Posted by: Lauren on Mar 13, 2008 9:35 AM   
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COMCAST hasn't returned my call yet letting me know if they are still engaged in illegal spying on me.

I just got my bill (over $100 a month) so I thought I would call and ask them again before I write them another big check.

I am paying them an awful lot of money to abuse me like they do. When I told the guy at the state office about how COMCAST dumped toxic chemicals by our creek, I was told to contact the EPA. I haven't done that yet, but I will.

The evidence that COMCAST is acting in collusion with un-named people trying to harm me is mounting. I keep telling them too, they have heard my story before. The calls get taped. They are hiring tons of people and seem to have lots of money to spend. Is that from their monopoly or Homeland Insecurity spending, but wait, what is the difference?

I have been at this for a while. Since COMCAST has been coordinating with our government to kill us, you can see why immunity is so important to them.

I wonder how my call will go, who wants to bet I don't get any better answer from them today?

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» RE: COMCAST = big brother Posted by: chinacat
» RE: COMCAST = big brother Posted by: Lauren
» RE: COMCAST = big brother Posted by: Lauren
don't piss on me and tell me it's rainin'
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Mar 13, 2008 9:37 AM   
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bush: the 'no bladder-control' 'presidency'.

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Let's See...
Posted by: Wacre on Mar 13, 2008 10:40 AM   
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if I understand this correctly. By way of an analogy, if a policeman decides to harass me because I have the same color as someone he/she suspects of illegal activity, I should perhaps thank them because he's just trying to keep us all safe.

If he then decides to beat me, perhaps because I–in a moment of weakness–looked him in the eye, I should perhaps thank him, because that water bottle I held could have been a gun.

And when he finally takes my life, I should be...

The moral of the story is that if we keep giving in to Bush, after awhile we will not have anything else to give.

Though by then it will not matter.

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I got your "states secrets" right here!
Posted by: QQOblivion on Mar 13, 2008 1:34 PM   
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The ONLY "states secrets" that Bush cares to protect are those that show Bush and pals to be up to their squinty all-knowing eyes in criminal and unconstitutional activity.
Immunity for Big Telecom will do what Bush wants: Shut down any leaks of information into how much the government has been spying on us.
In the news, by the way: It is revealed that the NSA was doing EVEN MORE spying on US citizens than previously known.

Call and write your congress-people today! Don't let them give in YET AGAIN to the absolutely worst presidential administration in US history!

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scared shitless
Posted by: cwilsondrum on Mar 13, 2008 10:52 PM   
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Bush is scared shitless that the american people will find out what the adminstration has really been doing all of this time. not looking for terrorists,but trying to make karl rove's dream of a never ending republican occupation of the white house. you've all seen the us attorneys scandal and it is still unraveling. but this telecom shit is really going to hit the fan. they're incompetant,criminal hacks. they should all be in jail. you are not safer folks. you are in more danger than ever thanks to these punks

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» RE: scared shitless Posted by: Xynyx
Spying on citizens BEFORE 911
Posted by: Chloe2005 on Mar 14, 2008 9:59 AM   
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is the issue no one talks about. Qwest was asked to spy on the people in Feb 2001. If this is such a great way to catch terrorists, why did 911 happen? The way Congress acts, I would say they are being spied on and blackmailed. Don't forget that home grown terrorists have been designated as peaceniks and environmentalists and consumer activists.

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shepherd
Posted by: flypegasi on Mar 14, 2008 12:28 PM   
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Bush is finding out that many of his "sheep" have become intelligent and are leaving his flock. So now he tries to get those "sheep" back by more wolf stories.
How much as, people not sheep, are we going to swallow? Aren't we finishing following him off cliffs?

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Deb
Posted by: debmcd on Mar 14, 2008 12:35 PM   
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If, as Bush keeps saying, his program is legal, then why the need for immunity? If it is legal the courts won't hear the cases, they'll be tossed out. So why is it so urgent that the telecoms get immunity at the expense of the safety of Americans? He doesn't want to be found out that's why. He knows he broke the law and is desperate for us not to know. He wants immunity alright but for himself and his bunch of thugs. He doesn't care about anything or anyone but himself. This is just like everything else he has undertaken in his life. He screwed up and expects everyone to just clean up after him and forget about the damage done. He's left the ground littered with the bodies of those who got in his way.

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» RE: Deb Posted by: peacefullaim
The telecoms are represented
Posted by: surfreality on Mar 14, 2008 1:27 PM   
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by the most expensive corporate legal minds in the world. They did not enter into any agreements unwillingly. They chose to pander to a President whose response to the Jihadists is to unilaterally expand his authority as opposed to uniting the nation.
It is beyond ridiculous to give immunity for unknown crimes.
Given this administration's legacy for dishonesty; no one knows for sure the depth and scope of the FISA/4th amendment violations that the telecoms and the administration perpetrated.
The truth must come out before there is ANY consideration for amnesties or pardons. First we need to know what we are pardoning. We need to know who, what, when, where, to what degree and for how long the data miners went fishing.

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Regarding Patriotic Service and Patriotic Duty
Posted by: Fathoms on Mar 16, 2008 9:42 AM   
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George Bush's Patriotic Duty is to, "Protect and Preserve the Constitution of the United States . . ." George Bush is an abject failure. Congress' Patriotic Duty is the same. George Bush has called the Constitution, "Just a piece of paper." George Bush has lied under oath (State of the Union re: Iraq threat and many other instances) to Congress. That is a High Crime of the, "High Crimes and Misdemeanors," variety proscribed in the Constitution. It was Congress' Patriotic Duty to impeach George Bush. Congress is an abject failure. We the People, have a Patriotic Duty to keep ourselves informed and make intelligent decisions about who we select to represent us domestically and by extension to the rest of the World. We allowed George Bush to be re-elected to a second term. We the People, are an abject failure. America is a Failing State. We the People as a Patriotic Service, must strive to do our Patriotic Duty better in the future. If we don't there won't be a future left worth talking about. The sands of time are running out for us.

Fathoms: Northeastern University, Defense Information School, Cal. State University Northridge, USN 5-years active service, Expeditionary Forces and Humanitarian Services medal holder.

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