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William F. Buckley Jr, Dead at 82

Posted by Jane Hamsher, Firedoglake at 11:04 AM on February 27, 2008.


He spoke and argued well and was extremely charismatic, which often masked how impoverished his ideology was.
William F. Buckley vs. Gore Vidal

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I grew up watching Buckley, and I have to admit there was something appealing about how strongly he cut against the grain of conventional political wisdom of the time. He spoke and argued well and was extremely charismatic, which often masked how impoverished his ideology was.

I remember (hazily) the arguments between Buckley and Gore Vidal on television during the 68 convention, and how charged and relevant they seemed. Watching the intellectually shiftless hackery of Tim Russert and Brian Williams last night I thought "Jesus, have we become this stupid?"

And FWIW, although he didn't write it he popularized the phrase "immanentize the eschaton," so condolences to Duncan.

Update: Rick Perlstein:

My friend just passed away at the age of 82. He was a good and decent man. He knew exactly what my politics were about--he knew I was an implacable ideological adversary--yet he offered his friendship to me nonetheless. He did the honor of respecting his ideological adversaries, without covering up the adversarial nature of the relationship in false bonhommie. A remarkable quality, all too rare in an era of the false fetishization of "post-partisanship" and Broderism and go-along-to-get-along. He was friends with those he fought. He fought with friends. These are the highest civic ideals to which an American patriot can aspire.

The whole piece is quite moving.

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Jane Hamsher is the founder of FireDogLake. Her work has also appeared on the Huffington Post, Alternet and The American Prospect.


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bye, bye, Bill
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Feb 27, 2008 11:13 AM   
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Not down with your politics, but loved your command of the English language.

jdfu!

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Compassion is just a Buzzword
Posted by: wagadog on Feb 27, 2008 11:22 AM   
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He said that on "Firing Line" in the run-up to the second election of Ronald Reagan.

I never forgot that -- how vicious and heartless these people can be while coming off as so urbane and sophisticated.

Vicious and heartless.

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my sympathies to his family...
Posted by: hound dog on Feb 27, 2008 11:38 AM   
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...but I've always thought of him as a pompous ass harboring a morally deficient ideology. He and all the right-wing hacks that follow in his foot steps are simply wrong on most issues most of the time.

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Unbelievable...
Posted by: The Grayheck on Feb 27, 2008 11:41 AM   
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I didn’t know that he died of hiv/aids? Isn’t Magic Johnson still alive?

http://www.socoolaz.com/section.cfm?sectionID=295

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» he didn't- you read a spoof obituary Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
tadmag
Posted by: birdies on Feb 27, 2008 1:03 PM   
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One of the most educated dumb asses it has been my displeasure to listen to in my 75 years.
May he rest in peace.

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» RE: tadmag Posted by: Longdream
Condolences to his family & friends
Posted by: jpopphan@charter.net on Feb 27, 2008 2:17 PM   
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While I disagreed with almost everything that Buckley said and stood for, I am still sad to hear that the old man is finally gone. I grew up watching him on public television and always enjoyed his program - again, even though he was wrong on almost everything.

My sincere condolences go out to his family and friends.

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"sock you in the goddamn face"
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Feb 27, 2008 3:29 PM   
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I'm used to the pompous, wordy version of this guy. This is the first time I actually understood what he was saying.

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Adios, pompous twit
Posted by: data23 on Feb 27, 2008 5:13 PM   
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A great intellect wasted on conservatism.

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Good Riddance ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 27, 2008 9:46 PM   
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On the Subject of Conservatism ...

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

- John Kenneth Galbraith

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Sail Away, Buckster...
Posted by: gazooks on Feb 28, 2008 2:20 AM   
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... you might have been more likable had you stayed offshore and smoked more reefer.

Alas, peace to a troubled mind.

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» RE: Sail Away, Buckster... Posted by: Longdream
Bill's Best line
Posted by: JSquercia on Feb 28, 2008 6:46 AM   
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I think the best line I ever heard from Bill was his answer to the question as to what he would DO if he actually won his race for Mayor of New York . His reply "I'd demand a recount"
In my younger days I was big Conservative supporter and actually voted for Barry Goldwater . I remember my friends ALL warning me that if I voted for Goldwater that we would be at war in Asia in months . I DID and we WERE
As I grew older I realized that Compassion is much more than just a buzzword (except when referring to that Compassionite Conservative Gearge W Bush) .
I have come full circle in my political thinking and am now a Liberal Democrat . I admire the work of FDR and love his words that the worth of a Nation is NOT what it does to help the well to do but rather what it does to improve the lot of the underprivledged . I realize that is paraphrasing FDR's and I can hear my Republican Dad spinning in his grave which he went to believing that FDR was the ANTI Christ .

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» RE: Bill's Best line Posted by: Longdream
Rick Perlstein
Posted by: Longdream on Feb 28, 2008 7:41 AM   
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One thing strikes me about the Perlstein eulogy.

I know that a eulogy, by definition, demands kind words, and Perlstein has many for Buckley's friendship across political, economic and social barriers. He received a surprising amount of attention from an eminence grise of the conservative movement, including a legitimacy lent to his work by extended attention in Buckley's column.

Yet when Perlstein was asked to "blurb" Buckley's book on Goldwater, a boost to his legitimacy and weight in itself, for whatever reason, Perlstein couldn't bring himself to do it. And Buckley continued on in friendship, as though unslighted.

Whatever Buckley's views, and I've made lots of fun of him over the years, the man was an American original, and mannered so well that he's a curiosity in these days of yard dog politics.

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» RE: ick Perlstein Posted by: boydranchitos
Argueably, the ONLY TRUE intellectual on right,
Posted by: Quannah on Feb 28, 2008 9:07 AM   
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I came to love him toward the end of his life. I heard him excoriate Bush on Charlie Rose's shows several times over the past few years. He absolutely HATED Georgie. And he wasn't afraid to speak the truth about him and his crimes. He thought he should be impeached.

And for that I will always remember Buckley with great fondness.

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Buckley was overrated.
Posted by: tap17x on Feb 28, 2008 12:10 PM   
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He was very affected and not a great debater. I heard a debate between him and Robert Scheer (whom the L.A. Times stupidly fired). Scheer wiped up the floor with Buckley's butt. No contest. Buckley raised peripheral issues while Scheer went to the central issues and used facts for his case. Buckely's using big words wasn't so much a talent as a distraction to hide the fact that his views usually had little substance. His orthodox Catholicism underlay everything; anyone who will believe Christianity will believe anything.

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» RE: Buckley was overrated. Posted by: Doubtom
Buckley's cool and unimpeachable good manners.
Posted by: Doubtom on Feb 28, 2008 2:06 PM   
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If Buckley's strong point was his unflappable civility in the roughest of discourses, then I would think the gentleman who managed to puncture that facade would be in line for some admiration as well. Gore Vidal, unlike Buckley, made no pretense of finding that privileged stuffed shirt Buckley amiable and treated him with the contempt he richly deserved.

After a lifetime of carrying the water for the rich, we're suppose to find value in his denunciation of another worthless son of privilege?

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observe Chomsky put Buckley in his pipe and smoke it
Posted by: aalif ba ta tha on Feb 28, 2008 6:57 PM   
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=VYlMEVTa-PI

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fascinating, under the right circumstances
Posted by: awakeallready on Feb 28, 2008 9:55 PM   
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In my younger days some fellow mind adventurers would swallow these little squares of paper and see what we could find to entertain ourselves with and pretend to be profound. One time we had an old color TV with a ridiculous range of color control, and we watched his face in unearthly colors as it twitched and spazzed as he spoke, his eyebrows bouncing off his hairline and his tongue darting out at improbable intervals. This experience was repeated more than once. Apolitical stoners we were, utterly ignorant of anything he was saying, but we couldn't stop watching the man's face!

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