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To Pimp or Not To Pimp: NBC's Shuster Suspended for Chelsea Clinton Remark

Posted by Jane Hamsher, Firedoglake at 7:40 AM on February 9, 2008.


If you asked me, I'd say that while I certainly understand that others might feel differently, for me this was a minor infraction.
Chelsea Clinton/pimping remark

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I put up the poll yesterday asking if Obama's "claws" comment was sexist because I thought it was something that could justifiably be interpreted either way and would act as something of a Rorschach test about where people who read this website stood. I intentionally didn't say what I felt about the statement and my hunch that my personal response could not predict what others would think was born out by the fact that only one of the 359 comments reflected my own reaction.

Women represented 49% of those responding and men 51%, which is pretty much in line with what other surveys have indicated is the readership for this site -- men comprise a much higher percentage of the readership of other blogs. Of women who responded, slightly more (27% to 22%) found the comment sexist than non-sexist. Men were nearly twice as likely (18% to 33%) not to find it sexist.

Even more interesting to me was everyone's attribution of my motive for putting up the poll, or their assumption about what my feelings on the subject might be. Which was actually much more about them and their individual need to view this race through a particular lens than anything else. So I appreciate the time everyone took to respond, it gave me a better feel for where our readership is at. (And no, I'm not going to say what I think because I don't want people to feel judged one way or the other in the situation. I appreciate everyone's honesty and let's leave it at that.)

And on that awkward segue, I'll bring up the latest contretemps -- comments made by David Shuster to the effect that Chelsea Clinton was being "pimped out" by the campaign. It may surprise everyone but I actually wasn't bothered by them. The phrase is ubiquitous, I use it all the time and although it is a loaded term my initial impression was that in the wake of all the truly awful sexist stuff that's come down the pipeline from MSNBC over the course of this campaign, much of which I have personally railed about, this just didn't fall into that category.

At first I thought it might be because I know Shuster and don't think he has the women's issues that many on MSNBC seem to have, and maybe that was affecting my assessment of the situation. But I wrote a post recently about Ben Affleck appearing at a press conference for the SEIU in Boston, and shortly after it went live someone involved in helping me put together the story sent me an email wondering what the hell I was thinking linking to a headline that said something on the order of "Boston Mayor Pimps For Healthcare Workers." I wasn't sure what they were upset about either at the time, but after a moment I realized that the term probably didn't strike others as being as inert as it did me so I changed the link.

I understand that this situation is different, we're talking about a young woman and Hillary Clinton has been on the receiving end of a lot of really misogynistic and disrespectful shit from MSNBC and that on the heels of that, a comment which overtly compared her daughter to a prostitute probably did not sit too well. Still, if you asked me, I'd say that while I certainly understand that others might feel differently, for me this was a minor infraction.

Nobody did (ask me), but I thought I'd say so anyway.

Update: Wow, Shuster's been suspended. I guess we can safely conclude I'm often a minority opinion on these things and frequently out of the mainstream, but I have to believe he's largely paying for the sins of Matthews.

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Jane Hamsher is the founder of FireDogLake. Her work has also appeared on the Huffington Post, Alternet and The American Prospect.


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No Snap Judgments PLEASE
Posted by: Sissy on Feb 9, 2008 7:58 AM   
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I beg of NBC, MSNBC not to throw this guy under the bus. Watching and listening to him I know that he meant no harm, he was trying to make a clumsy point. The point that he was trying to make I'm sure, was that the Clinton's have been using Chelsea as this campaign has worn on. BUT and its a big BUT, there are no interviews or opportunities for anyone from "outside" to get near her as in the media or other "undesirables".

What I find so astonishing is the self-righteous diatribe of people like Limbaugh and Hannity. When Chelsea was only 11 years old Rush compared her to a monkey in her "homely" looks and we have read recently on the Internet what McCain said about her when she was just a teenager. Words that I thought were far more appalling and totally uncalled for. So if the Network does take some steps here I hope and pray that they are judicious and careful ones. To tank a talented reporter's career with some uncalled for statement that he could easily apologize and explain, would be a great dis-service to all of us who still tune into MSM for thoughtful, insightful analysis.

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» Oh, come on. Posted by: jacquesclouseau
» RE: Hmmmm, let me see Posted by: Sissy
» RE: Hmmmm, let me see Posted by: jacquesclouseau
» RE: Hmmmm, let me see Posted by: Sissy
» RE: Which comments....... Posted by: Sissy
» RE: Which comments....... Posted by: sui_generis
Look what McCain had to say about Chelsea ..
Posted by: TRUTHer on Feb 9, 2008 8:01 AM   
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I agree, Shuster's remark was tasteless, but compare it to what John McCain said at a GOP dinner in 1998, and you have a man making a disgusting joke about a young girl. But of course this won't get air time!
Here is snip:
Not even close.

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."

-- Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.

Not only is McCain's hideous attempt at humor about 10 times more tastelessl than what Shuster said (as the David Corn article notes, newspapers that reported on the joke wouldn't even print it), but while the newsman's ill-conceived comment was at least spontaneous, McCain's joke was a prepared remark to a public audience.

http://www.attytood.com/2008/02/
the_worst_thing_thats_ever_bee_1.html

Here is link to 1998 post: http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

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Marty's Media Manifesto
Posted by: Chickaboomer on Feb 9, 2008 8:18 AM   
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Twelve years ago two upstart cable TV networks manifested in the cosmic etherland. Fox News and MSNBC joining "serious news" CNN. What has happened since is nothing short of a journalistic breakdown.

The decline and fall of American television news standards was chronicled by Paddy Chayefsky in his prescient script for the 1976 movie "Network" directed by Sidney Lumet. The greedy, corrupt, amoral TV network sacrificed news anchor Howard "I'm Mad As Hell" Beale to the Gods Of Ratings by letting the "Mad Prophet Of The Airwaves" say and do anything on the air.

It took two years for the new cable TV networks to start slip slidin' away. The seminal (no pun intended) event was the 1998 Clinton/Lewinsky sex scandal. The wall-to-wall news coverage of the 1994 O.J. Simpson slow speed freeway police pursuit and the subsequent murder trial provided a glimmer of what was to come.

With the suspension of MSNBC's David Shuster for his on-air Chelsea Clinton comments, it behooves the TV news industry to conduct an inventory of standards and practices.

To invoke a Clintonesque phrase: It's time to end "the politics of personal destruction." Journalism has been jettisoned in pursuit of ratings.

It is time to reign in the likes of Fox News Bill O'Reilly, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews and rewrite the attendant philosphy, practices, and standards banning no-holds-barred slander.

It is time to call a truce between warring cable TV networks, and show hosts. New ground rules must be enacted to set clear boundaries governing appropriate and inappropriate on-air behavior, opinion and analysis.

The David Shuster incident is opening the door for network news management to collectively agree that enough is enough and declare a truce to restore television news to the level of credibility the networks - and viewers - deserve. To invoke a diplomatic term: peaceful coexistence.

Let us embrace the "civil" in civilization.
Marty Davis
chickaboomer.blogspot.com

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Excuse me....
Posted by: bettyn on Feb 9, 2008 8:20 AM   
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but didn't Rush Limbaugh call Chelsea the "White House dog" at some point. That was just a dreadful and heartless thing to do to a young girl. It should have gotten the NarkedUpGasBag thrown off the air just like Don Imus, but he still blathers on.

Schuster is guilty of opening his mouth before his brain was operative, just like the girl on the Golf Channel with that comment about Tiger and lynching. A slap on the wrist is all that should happen to this guy. He's already apologized for his poor choice of words. Get over it.

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The use and context of "to pimp" is generational
Posted by: rancespergl on Feb 9, 2008 8:19 AM   
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I'm at the low end of the boomer scale and I find the use of "pimp" generally offensive in most contexts.

That there's a cable TV show called "Pimp my Ride" annoys the hell out of me.

I can not still fathom how 50cent could have video broadcast in prime time with a huge stage decoration that read P.I.M.P.. Disgusting.

The popularization of the term began in the so-called "blaxploitation" era in the early 70s and it's been downhill ever since.

I have a similar problem with the word bitch, which, aside from it's canid origins, used to mean "to complain".

"I'm gonna make you my bitch" is Thug Life leeching into the mainstream and I'm not having any of it.

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Leave David Alone!!!
Posted by: Quannah on Feb 9, 2008 8:21 AM   
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(In my best "Leave Britney Alone" voice)

Shuster is one of the best young reporters out there. It's disgraceful that they suspend him for that comment. I was watching when he said it and I didn't think it was out of line. They were laughing at his use of the word "pimp" and he stated he didn't mean the campaign was "prostituting" her. Yet MSNBC does nothing about the nightly sexist comments of Chris Matthews, which are 1000 times worse! I've heard Tucker say some stupid shit, too, but nothing happened to him. (And why is he still on the air anyway???)

Could it be that because the comment was about Chelsea Clinton and not any other woman it becomes such a big deal? I think that may have played a bigger role than anything else. Papa Bear probably called up NBC and demanded somebody's head roll. Which is very ironic, don't you think?

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Why...
Posted by: motamanx on Feb 9, 2008 8:30 AM   
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...would anyone say anything bad about Chelsea? She is the best.

---Rowland

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Up Until A Few Months Ago, Hillary was Pro-War Hawk on Iraq
Posted by: colleenwhalen on Feb 9, 2008 8:43 AM   
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Up until a few months ago, Hillary was a
pro-war hawk on Iraq and she wanted permanenet military bases there. If the Iraq war is such a noble cause, why isn't Chelsea serving there, along with the other hundreds of thousands of women soldiers who volunteered?
BTW, send the Bush twins to serve in Iraq also while you're at it. I don't think gender should prevent these three women from serving their country in Iraq. Hundreds of young American women soldiers have died and been permanently disabled in Iraq - women serve in the military - so why arent't Chelsea and the Bush twins enlisted to serve in Iraq?
I am neither a big fan, nor a detractor of Chelsea Clinton. I'm neutral about her. But exactly what about her is she so "special"? She's no different than any other extremely priveleged, wealthy young woman who was educated at exclusive private schools and has used her extensive network of social connections in her career path. She seems agreeable enough, but I can't think of anything she has done to distinguish herself from any other wealthy young woman who graduated from Stanford.

I remember she was hired, straight out of college at a job that paid something over
$300,000 a year. Would she had been offered that job at that salary if she wasn't a President's daughter? Nope.

To her credit, at least Chelsea HAS A JOB, unlike the Bush twins, who seem to be kept under wraps, you never hear much about the Bush twins, I don't think they have jobs, but are just socialites. The Bush twins are just idle socialites - Paris Hilton but with more ladylike clothes.

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» Bush's daughters Posted by: rancespergl
Schusters comment vs. Obama's comment
Posted by: Schroeder on Feb 9, 2008 8:56 AM   
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I was glad to read the comment about Obama's comments as when I heard him say it, I was immediately offended. If men disagree with one another or counter an issue they don't make reference to 'the claws' coming out. I immediately thought that I don't think John Kennedy would ever have made such a statement.

I didn't take the remark about Chelsea as a sexist remark, I took it as a typically anti Clinton, throw whatever mud you can think of to throw.

I say good for MSNBC for suspending Schuster. I say Obama should apologize for his remark. Sorry, I just don't see him as another John Kennedy. Some of the speeches he's given are reminiscent of Kennedy but it stops there. I think he could get there, but he needs a little maturity.

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MSNBC is just
Posted by: pollyanna999 on Feb 9, 2008 9:07 AM   
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a good old boys club. Imus was just one component of it. There is quite a membership now, including Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson, and the biggest dog of all, Chris Matthews. Now, the newest initiate is David Schuster. Too bad, I rather enjoyed him, and thought he had a career ahead.

I keep trying to warm up to this network, but everytime I watch, the true colors come out from one of these guys.

By the time Imus made himself known, I'd already quit watching his show months earlier. I stuck with Chris Matthews awhile longer, but finally couldn't take it anymore and quit watching it, too.

I think it needs to be said that MSNBC either allows these men to be so callus and STOOPID, or they encourage it. We all know what rolls down hill, right?

Either way, I'll be sticking to Democracy Now!, PBS, FSTV and the inter net blogs for my news.

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GE
Posted by: cwilsondrum on Feb 9, 2008 10:08 AM   
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what do you expect from GE????????? war monger profiteers,genocidal enablers,and bush asskissers to the man

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generational slang
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Feb 9, 2008 10:14 AM   
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As an old geezer, I would say that the use of the word "pimp" is offensive on generational lines. Today's young people use it commonly. There is a TV show called "Pimp my ride" for crying out loud and old geezer me just shakes her head at how rude that is. But my high school students didn't think a thing of it. There are so many words that fall into that category. Language has definitely deteriorated over the years. It's not a good thing, but it's so widespread that I figured I was just being a curmudgeon!
David Schuster seems like a good guy...he just said something a little stupid in an ad-lib situation. But one little crack like that stacked against the years of garbage spewed by the likes of Rush, etc. and the suspension seems unfair to say the least.

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stormy7
Posted by: dpodlogar on Feb 9, 2008 11:02 AM   
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IT SEEMS THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH MISOGYNISTIC MEN AT MSNBC. I FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE HEAD HONCHO FOR NIPPING THESE PROBLEMS IN THE BUD. I STILL WONDER WHY HE KEEPS THAT SHITHEAD CRIS MATHEWS ON THE AIR.

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» RE: stormy7 Posted by: Lauren
CHELSEA'S MOMMY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 9, 2008 11:24 AM   
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Whether or not you like Hillary Clinton, nobody pushes her daughter around. It's a no-no. It's always been that way. So let the guys take their lumps and learn a lesson. Maybe they can ask Romney about his five sons who were unavailable for military service because they were working on their fathers campaign. Will they sign up now? Children of politicians are not fair game. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: Anyone stumping for a campaign is fair game Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
Rebecca
Posted by: Bec59 on Feb 9, 2008 11:31 AM   
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This was not an innocuous comment. It was meant to be hurtful. The term "pimp out" is in our vernacular now but what I find ugly is that Shuster attacked Hillary and Bill's daughter--is she not allowed to campaign for her mother? Since when did we disallow children to support their parents? I find that comment intellectually lazy and an underhanded
way to be hurtful. He should be suspended. Just like the Imus comment, "Nappy-headed hoes"
Wrong, wrong , wrong.

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I really like Schuster
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Feb 9, 2008 11:39 AM   
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He is sharp and well-prepared in interviews. His heart is in the right place - but he really blew it here.

Pimp was a really bad choice of words. He does have a tendency to open his mouth before engaging his brain at times and I do feel that an abject apology was definitely in order.

Having said that, I think the suspension is out of order. I believe that it is a case of the lower level employee (Schuster) taking the heat - and the fall - for the sins of higher-ups (Matthews, Carlson).

Kudos to Keith for his apology.

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johncp (you let your bias show too openly)
Posted by: johnp on Feb 9, 2008 12:24 PM   
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The most offensive part of this otherwise overblown matter, is not the cheapness and cowardliness of the basic remark made, but the far more important matter, of making the industry-wide, very conservative bias, in media, more obvious than it usually is. This is mainstream media, for heavens sake. We can't come straight out, and attack Chelsea or openly throw mud at democrats; we have to slightly conceal it, so that no one will be able to persuasively point to our blatent, otherwise plainly obvious conservatism. Obviously, no democrat would speak, especially in a public forum, about Chelsea, or any other democrat, in this manner. We have to make show of the appearance of some regret. We can bust this punk "journalist" for a while.

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The 1st Step to Censorship of Free Speech
Posted by: RadicalCentrist on Feb 9, 2008 12:53 PM   
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While Schuster's comments about Chelsea Clinton were unprofessional, unseemly and just flat out asinine, The Clinton Camp's over reaction to it seems to be that slippery slope at policing free speech in America.

The Clinton's offended many children and families in the 90's when Bill's sexual escapades brought us Monica, oral sex, cigar insertions, semen stained dresses, date rape, abuse of power, and all other forms of vulgarity reported by the media.

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Pimping
Posted by: janelynne on Feb 9, 2008 6:53 PM   
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Well Jane, don't you think you are getting pimped out on the internet? Arianna Huffington is one big pimpo-paloosa. Doncha think? And how bout Arianna's daughters? Is she pimping them out too?

Don't get me wrong, this is not offensive to me. I hope people are not so thin skinned about pimping the kids like they pi,p themselves. Hey, it is no big thing, really. PimpingRUS. WE all do it, our daughters do it. I am not the least offended. BTW, Do you have a daughter, and have you pimped her?

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» RE: Pimping Posted by: Bec59
Why is it not ok
Posted by: Mr. Heathen on Feb 9, 2008 7:56 PM   
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... to say this kind of stuff about royalty? The Brits do it all the time and...er, oops -I guess that's why it's not ok.

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take back our language
Posted by: 1234 on Feb 9, 2008 9:33 PM   
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I think the comment is offensive, not sure if it qualifies as reason to can someone, but definitely should be addressed. That said, "pimp" is very commonly used and celebrated as a compliment in youth culture and I think that is really disgusting. I'm not suggesting censorship, but we as young people and especially young women have to take back our language from the evil corporate misogynists!

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» RE: take back our language Posted by: pizzmoe
Shuster Is Censored For An Innocuous Comment, McCain Wasn't!
Posted by: mrtshw on Feb 9, 2008 9:40 PM   
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Monica Lewinsky was actually " pimped out " by the right wing. She had been seducing ” powerful ” men; teachers, supervisors long before Jonah Goldberg’s mom, Lucianne and her BFF, Linda Tripp, set the stage with Monica to exploit Bill’s well known sexual addiction . Hillary was not unaware of Bill’s predelictions and had established an arrangement with him from early on in their marriage:hypocrisy being after all, the coin of the realm in politics.
Chris Matthews and Joe Scarborough at MSNBC
have no equals there or anywhere else in the land called misogyny. David Shuster’s crime at MSNBC is he’s too close to Keith in both intelligence and politics. Amazingly his remark concerning Chelsey absolutely pales as compared to John McCain's remarks about a then barely 18 year old Chelsey Clinton back in 1998 which was considered par for the course in the troglydyte GOP universe.

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“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.” - John McCain in 1998

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Bashing an 18 year old girl and making a lesbian joke about the attorney general. Enough said.

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Lurk
Posted by: Lurk on Feb 10, 2008 1:06 AM   
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Newest Rule
It all boils down to a simple new rule never ever use a black idiom in public especially if you're not black and trying to be cool. Many of us, especially those who fancy ourselves informed,liberal, and with it, are falling into this trap that often finds us judged as politically incorrect monsters. Ultimately, those who judge are more morally accountable for their intent than the original offender.

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» RE: Lurk Posted by: Lauren
Blame The Family Guy show...
Posted by: blondesprite on Feb 10, 2008 3:59 AM   
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South Park, The Simpsons and other shows like them. Schuster and others at MSNBC are obvious fans of these shows. Some of these guys are young enough to have cut their teeth on them.
The Pimp talk has become popularized and mainstreamed by a number of these types of shows.
However, it is still (and should be) beyond the pale trash talk from a would-be professional and prime time journalist.
Olbermann is the only bright spot on MSNBC and I have been a dedicated fan for a number of years.... until NBC cut Kucinich off from the debate. I have not watched Countdown since then.
Prior to then, Schuster was already on my trash talk radar.
Folks, Journalistic standards really do exist. Schuster, Matthews, Scarborough and Carlson need remedial courses.

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» RE: Blame The Family Guy show... Posted by: sui_generis
Pimping
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Feb 10, 2008 4:47 AM   
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Of course, the bottom line is freedom of speech, but just as a fun exercise in what's appropriate or not, I think it might be a fair term here.

She has a reputation as being articulate, intelligent, politically involved, independent-minded, and somewhat respected, despite everything the press has done to her over the years. She's not some Bush twin out kissing babies and handing out flyers for her daddy between jello shot parties. In that context, it seems a little awkward and biased that she's plugging for her mommy.

If she honestly thinks her mom is the best candidate, that's her business. But if she wants to get involved in the dirty business of presidential politics, she should be prepared to get dirty.

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Rebecca
Posted by: Bec59 on Feb 10, 2008 6:42 AM   
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Some things you let go. As a mother, I would never allow a comment like this go by---I can't imagine how I'd feel if my mother (long deceased) did not decide to defend me from these ruthless pricks.Hillary is a mother first, then a politician. Maybe male politicians and male "journalists" are not fathers first, before their respective career choices? Have you ever seen a mother animal defend her babies with their dying breath? We humans are supposed to do that by our nature.
If we don't, our babies get eaten, sometimes by their own fathers (or other mothers, and sometimes their own). Me, I'd have my teeth bared and gnashing---that's why I would never run for public office--I'd get put in jail.

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What A Bunch Of Clinton Crap
Posted by: NoPCZone on Feb 10, 2008 7:54 AM   
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