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Obama vs Hillary at SC Debate: Barack Says, "I Can't Tell Which Clinton I'm Running Against" [VIDEO]

Posted by GottaLaff , Cliff Schecter's Blog at 5:11 AM on January 22, 2008.


Hillary attacks Obama's comments about Reagan and Obama fights back attacking Hillary's corporate lawyer past and her husband's rhetoric.
Obama vs Hillary at SC Debate

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An excerpt from GottaLaff's South Carolina debate live blog:

Hill said she's the strongest fiscal responsibility candidate. Your ideas aren't good.

O: What she said wasn't true. She and her husband not factually accurate. She looks indignant, amused. We need different politics in Washington...applause. Pres. Clinton on my war stance...fairy tale...simply not true! When Hill and Bill assert that, it's not true. Viewers not concerned with this back and forth, they're concerned with health care. That's the campaign I've tried to run.

H: True, but your record matters...applause. When O is confronted, he says that's not what he meant. He said he liked what the Republicans did over the last 15 years...those were bad ideas. She lists all the bad ideas. O is pissed. Hill says O has never said how he'd pay for foreign aid. Elections are about the future, so you have to look at our record and our careers. We are not in any way saying you didn't oppose the war..you gave a great speech. That's not our criticism. AFTER that, the speech was off website, the NEXT year, you agreed with Bush about the conduct of war, then you funded it. Words v. actions is a fair assessment to make.

O: I'll provide you with all the info. Overtalking with Hill. What you said is NOT true. Reagan was transformative because he could get Dems to push through an agenda..that I objected to. ..while you were on the board at Walmart. OOOO! Audience is smelling blood. We have to appeal to Independents and Republicans, too. Irony is, you provided more on Reagan in a book that's being published right now by Brokaw.

H: Protesting loudly, wants to clarify the record. "We're just getting warmed up." applause.... O said 2 different things: Reagan quote about being transformative. We both have spouses who stand up for us. You said Repubs have ideas...O: I didn't say they were good ones. H: I was fighting against those ideas when you were representing slumlord in Chicago.

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GottaLaff is a regular blogger for Cliff Schecter's Blog


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Policy-wise, Clinton and Obama are identical.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 22, 2008 7:34 AM   
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That's why their campaigns have degenerated into sniping at each other, because they have nothing substative to say other than "hope" and "change".

Aren't there still three leading candidates, anyway? What is the other guys name? Edwards? or is it Kucinich?

I'm not voting for either Clinton or Obama in the primary, and I urge others not to either. Vote Edwards or Kucinich. At the very least, demand that their viewpoints be heard.

Last time I checked, most of the country hadn't weighed in on the choice - but the press sure is trying to turn it into a Clinton vs. Obama matchup, aren't they?

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» If we really want change... Posted by: buffeliscious
Truly inspiring!
Posted by: peacelf on Jan 22, 2008 7:47 AM   
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After that exchange, I find myself inspired, hopeful, even delighted in the fact that the Democratic party is defunct. What is left is balloons and air. Stick a needle in it and see what happens?

peace

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» RE: Vote Kucinich! Posted by: peacelf
» RE: Vote Kucinich! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Truly inspiring! Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Truly inspiring! Posted by: Lauren
» RE: I feel your hope! Posted by: peacelf
Much ado about nothing
Posted by: Basenjis on Jan 22, 2008 7:58 AM   
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The "debates" seem to be over now that most of those with anything of value to say, aside from Edwards, have been eliminated from the Great Democratic Party Presidential Hopeful Line-up.

John Edwards won the debate easily, such as it was, leaving Hillary to snip and snipe and for Obama to defend himself.

When Edwards is completely frozen out as has been Dennis Kucinich, what else will the two "leading candidates" have to talk about? Their mutual dependence on corporate funding and their voting records on war funding still stand in spite of what either has to say about the other's intentions.

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» RE: Much ado about nothing Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Much ado about nothing Posted by: Basenjis
SEE WHAT THE MSM IS DOING?!
Posted by: Astroboy on Jan 22, 2008 8:02 AM   
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Completely shutting out Edwards. It's as if he doesn"t even exist.

They FEAR John Edwards!

The Corporotocracy running our government is controlling this election, and nobody's doing a fucking thing about it.

ELECT JOHN EDWARDS!

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» RE: They Fear Kucinich more! Posted by: peacelf
» RE: SEE WHAT THE MSM IS DOING?! Posted by: BFair2all
She finally found her volume knob.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 22, 2008 10:19 AM   
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Kudos on not yelling at us; the argument's were at least tolerable to hear.

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CAN HE PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITION?
Posted by: outrider on Jan 22, 2008 3:51 PM   
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Asuming that Obama was trying to be cute and clever with his childish remark, it does tell us more about his perception of reality. The way his campaign is going the question is not who or what he is running against. Rather, the question is what and who is he running for.

The electorate should be considering only one issue - Which of the candidates is able to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution? Charging windmills like Don Qixote is not evidence that the man is fit for the job.

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Latinos are voting for Clinton
Posted by: cjohnson44 on Jan 22, 2008 6:50 PM   
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because they believe Blacks are dumb, lazy, and a threat to them in this country, so Hillary will win and all this bickering will fade away.

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True Colors come out! Obama!
Posted by: niliadis on Jan 22, 2008 7:12 PM   
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True colors are out! Obama, and I don't mean Black. His Halo is off and all is out and much more will come out. he is not the saintly candidate that all the idiots hope he would be. Do your homework, All that Hillary said is ture..He wabled and bumbled and only mean things came out of his mouth, only to fine a sharp shield from a WOMAN, that was not going to let him get away with it. Holier than thou attitude is now in the dumps and worse of all he is inexerienced, unable to commit and how are we going to put our Country in this mans hands.Do your homework people..see the facts and stop making all these ilusions of a saintly candidate...This does not excist!

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Think Global & Weep--
Posted by: SweetEarth on Jan 23, 2008 3:38 AM   
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Is There Reason To Think Black Elitists have more integrity than White Elitists-- Is There Reason To ....THINK!?

The New Bank of the South Shatters Neoliberal Economics
By Mark Engler

By itself, the bank represents a serious challenge to U.S.-dominated institutions, such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and the Inter-American Development Bank (IDB). As part of a larger trend, it signals a major break from the policies of "free trade" neoliberalism that dominated in the region throughout the '80s and '90s.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19135.htm

It was the 80's when the fledgling NWO came to Davos-- the annual (unpublicized) meeting of the "Master Monetary Race" Their object was, still is, to level U.S. wages, until we're even up w/those of Mexico and other depressed economies . At first it only hit the lower classes but now professionals are getting hit. Not to worry, though --that is, if you do more than 7 figures -- It was NAFTA!! in the 90's with the advent of the Clintonian Neo-"Liberals" and the vigorous rhetoric of Bill Clinton that the NWO came into its own. It was/is a sad day in America when our democracy reduces to political "debate" w/ Hillary’s cynical, contemptuous gaze on Barack confident none will challenge the crude, tyrannical, machine behind her, while elsewhere Bill bullies, & intimidates w/ his customary Machiavellian duplicity --and their dictatorship locked up. .It's sad because so many know! and yet there's so much fear, few will come forward. Had he not so dramatically consolidated his Elitist Corporatist media behind him in '96, they could not have counted on the pathetic public ignorance of the Trojan Horse he insinuated into our one time democratic party.

Poor Obama-- it falls to him, the single candidate to survive the Clinton's gauntlet. Many of us watched as several other better known candidates w/"creds," & much less vulnerable to Clintonian duplicity were discredited and/or banned from the all powerful Machine-Clinton. Obama's got a vision-- and, too honest for a politician. But since our mission has gotta be to prove we're not the World's!! Public Enemy # 1, we're done if his candidacy doesn't survive-- and it's back, to square Bush/Clinton 1.


They brought their whole machine to bear on Chris Matthews, a well known & much loved TV news show host. and man! he took a beating from the Elitist establishment even!! Barbara Walters , former fiance' of the Clintonian advocate, Alan Greenspan. I listened to Mike Malloy on Air America who lost his job for speaking the truth-- without the crass revisionism Bill demands. It's no wonder there is so much fear.

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» RE: Think Global & Weep-- Posted by: BFair2all