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Olbermann's Special Comment on Iran NIE: "Bush, Pathological Liar or Idiot-in-Chief?" [VIDEO]

Posted by Adam Howard, AlterNet at 5:51 AM on December 7, 2007.


There are few choices more terrifying than the one Mr. Bush has left us with tonight.
Olbermann special comment on Iran NIE

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There are few choices more terrifying than the one Mr. Bush has left us with tonight.

We have either a president who is too dishonest to restrain himself from invoking World War III about Iran at least six weeks after he had to have known that the analogy would be fantastic, irresponsible hyperbole, or we have a president too transcendently stupid not to have asked, at what now appears to have been a series of opportunities to do so, whether the fairy tales he either created or was fed were still even remotely plausible.

A pathological presidential liar, or an idiot-in-chief. It is the nightmare scenario of political science fiction: A critical juncture in our history and, contained in either answer, a president manifestly unfit to serve, and behind him in the vice presidency an unapologetic warmonger who has long been seeing a world visible only to himself.

After spokeswoman Dana Perino’s announcement from the White House late last night, the timeline is inescapable and clear.

In August the president was told by his hand-picked major-domo of intelligence, Mike McConnell, a flinty, high-strung-looking, worrying-warrior who will always see more clouds than silver linings, that what “everybody thought” about Iran might be, in essence, crap.

Yet on Oct. 17, the president said of Iran and its President Ahmadinejad:

“I’ve told people that if you’re interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from have the knowledge to make a nuclear weapon.”

And as he said that, Mr. Bush knew that at bare minimum there was a strong chance that his rhetoric was nothing more than words with which to scare the Iranians.

Or was it, Sir, to scare the Americans?

Does Iran not really fit into the equation here? Have you just scribbled it into the fill-in-the-blank on the same template you used to scare us about Iraq?

In August, any commander-in-chief still able-minded or uncorrupted or both, Sir, would have invoked the quality the job most requires: mental flexibility.

A bright man, or an honest man, would have realized no later than the McConnell briefing that the only true danger about Iran was the damage that could be done by an unhinged, irrational Chicken Little of a president shooting his mouth off, backed up by only his own hysteria and his own delusions of omniscience.

Not Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Mr. Bush.

The Chicken Little of presidents is the one, Sir, that you see in the mirror.

And the mind reels at the thought of a vice president fully briefed on the revised intel as long as two weeks ago, briefed on the fact that Iran abandoned its pursuit of this imminent threat four years ago, who never bothered to mention it to his boss.

It is nearly forgotten today, but throughout much of Ronald Reagan’s presidency it was widely believed that he was little more than a front man for some never-viewed, behind-the-scenes string-puller.

Today, as evidenced by this latest remarkable, historic malfeasance, it is inescapable that Dick Cheney is either this president’s evil ventriloquist or he thinks he is.

What servant of any of the 42 previous presidents could possibly withhold information of this urgency and gravity and wind up back at his desk the next morning, instead of winding up before a congressional investigation or a criminal one?

Mr. Bush, if you can still hear us, if you did not previously agree to this scenario in which Dick Cheney is the actual detective and you’re Remington Steele, you must disenthrall yourself: Mr. Cheney has usurped your constitutional powers, cut you out of the information loop and led you down the path to an unprecedented presidency in which the facts are optional, the intel is valued less than the hunch and the assistant runs the store.

The problem is, Sir, your assistant is robbing you and your country blind.

Not merely in monetary terms, Mr. Bush, but, more important, of the traditions and righteousness for which we have stood, at great risk, for centuries: honesty, law, moral force.

Mr. Cheney has helped, Sir, to make your administration into the kind our ancestors saw in the 1860s and 1870s and 1880s, the ones that abandoned Reconstruction and sent this country marching backward into the pit of American apartheid.

Grant, Hayes, Garfield, Arthur, Cleveland — presidents who will be remembered only in a blur of failure, Mr. Bush.

Presidents who will be remembered only as functions of those who opposed them, the opponents whom history proved right.

Grant, Hayes, Garfield, Arthur, Cleveland ... Bush.

Would that we could let this president off the hook by seeing him only as marionette or moron.

But a study of the mutation of his language about Iran proves that though he may not be very good at it, he is, himself, still a manipulative, Machiavellian snake-oil salesman.

The Bushian etymology was tracked by Dan Froomkin at the Washington Post’s Web site.

It is staggering.

* March 31: “Iran is trying to develop a nuclear weapon...”

* June 5: Iran’s “pursuit of nuclear weapons...”

* June 19: “consequences to the Iranian government if they continue to pursue a nuclear weapon...”

* July 12: “the same regime in Iran that is pursuing nuclear weapons...”

* Aug. 6: “this is a government that has proclaimed its desire to build a nuclear weapon...”

Notice a pattern?

Trying to develop, build or pursue a nuclear weapon.

Then, sometime between Aug. 6 and Aug. 9, those terms are suddenly swapped out, so subtly that only in retrospect can we see that somebody has warned the president, not only that he has gone out too far on the limb of terror but there may not even be a tree there....

McConnell, or someone, must have briefed him then.

* Aug. 9: “They have expressed their desire to be able to enrich uranium, which we believe is a step toward having a nuclear weapons program...”

* Aug. 28: “Iran’s active pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons...”

*Oct. 4: “you should not have the know-how on how to make a (nuclear) weapon...”

*Oct. 17: “until they suspend and/or make it clear that they, that their statements aren’t real, yeah, I believe they want to have the **capacity**, the **knowledge**, in order to make a nuclear weapon.”

Before Aug. 9, it’s: Trying to develop, build or pursue a nuclear weapon.

After Aug. 9, it’s: Desire, pursuit, want ... knowledge technology know-how to enrich uranium.

And we are to believe, Mr.. Bush, that the National Intelligence Estimate this week talks of the Iranians suspending their nuclear weapons program in 2003....

And you talked of the Iranians suspending their nuclear weapons program on Oct. 17.

And that’s just a coincidence?

And we are to believe, Mr. Bush, that nobody told you any of this until last week?

Your insistence that you were not briefed on the NIE until last week might be legally true, something like “what the definition of ‘is’ is,” but with the subject matter being not interns but the threat of nuclear war.

Legally, it might save you from some war crimes trial, but ethically it is a lie.

It is indefensible.

You have been yelling threats into a phone for nearly four months, after the guy on the other end had already hung up.

You, Mr. Bush, are a bald-faced liar.

And moreover, you have just revealed that John Bolton and Norman Podhoretz and the Wall Street Journal editorial board are also bald-faced liars.

We are to believe that the intel community, or maybe the State Department, cooked the raw intelligence about Iran, falsely diminished the Iranian nuclear threat, to make you look bad?

And you proceeded to let them make you look bad?

You not only knew all of this about Iran in early August, but you also knew it was accurate.

And instead of sharing this good news with the people you have obviously forgotten you represent, you merely fine-tuned your terrorizing of those people, to legally cover your own backside.

While you filled the factual gap with sadistic visions of, as you phrased it Aug. 28, “nuclear holocaust,” and, as you phrased it Oct. 17, “World War III.”

My comments, Mr. Bush, are often dismissed as simple repetitions of the phrase “George Bush has no business being president.”

Well, guess what?

Tonight: hanged by your own words, convicted by your own deliberate lies....

You, sir, have no business being president.

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Tagged as: bush, nie, iran, olbermann

Adam Howard is the editor of PEEK.


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how is this possible?
Posted by: nyvillager on Dec 7, 2007 6:24 AM   
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how is it that he has a show?! i just can't understand how this is possible. the administration must really think that he's hardly a threat.

is it me or does his set look kind of low budget? i guess that's no surprise.

go olbermann!

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The Silver-Tongued Voice of Dissent
Posted by: nochicagoboys on Dec 7, 2007 6:34 AM   
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Bravo, Mr. Olbermann!

You articulate what I wish I could say to this renegade and illegal president.

May good fortune, and peace and love, always be abound in your life. You're a voice, and a shining star, to millions.


Namaste'

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So where are the rest of them?
Posted by: Wexler on Dec 7, 2007 6:44 AM   
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I suspect that by now it's filtered down through most newsrooms that the timeline of Bush's statements and the deliberate delay of the NIE prove that Bush and Cheney deliberately lied to Americans and the world about the non-existent Iranian bomb threat.

It will be amusing to watch the squirming apologists as they spin themselves dizzy trying to come up with an explanation. We've already seen one tipsy spin doctor fall on their face in this comment section this morning.

13 months.

-Wexler

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Cheney as The Puppet Master
Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive on Dec 7, 2007 7:06 AM   
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I don't know about you guys, but the obvious strings attached to Bush's utterances and choice of words smacks of Cheney Blather. He is truely the evil one. God grant that he experiences a nearby lightning strike. Enormous EMF fields are generated when this occurs and I think his pacemaker could not take the destructive EMF smack it would receive. His taking-by-God would have an amazing effect on the Christian Right and would be highly beneficial.

Think of Giapetto without strings. HA!

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Cassandra
Posted by: chloe08 on Dec 7, 2007 7:09 AM   
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Ed Murrow resurrected! May we all find our voices and speak truth to power.

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Door-to-door...
Posted by: Knowmad on Dec 7, 2007 7:22 AM   
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It really is tragic that a country can be so firmly in the grip of corruption that, even when someone like this courageously speaks truth to power, about yet another travesty the 'leaders' have foisted on the very people they're supposed to serve - through media easily accessible by all - it will have very little or no effect. Why, you ask?

Most aware, thinking people are no longer shocked by the gross level these abusers will sink to, as it is now what's expected from this oblivious lot. And those others who really need to hear about how they're being used, the rightie base, just aren't listening. They've been sold the fable that Olberman and others like him are just plain wrong, unpatriotic even, by pathetic prostitutes like o'reilly, limbaugh, malkin et al, as well as proven moral vaccumns like cheney and the rest of the foolish neocorp cabal.

Maybe the only way left to stop the decay of your society and theft of your very rights is to go grass roots; to take the plunge and just confront (non-violently, of course) everyone you know who has bought into the lies. You don't have to argue, or even talk about it; simply provide a list of the worst things these fools have done (you'll likely need more than one typewritten page) and ask them to read it, and maybe pass it on to others who they think might be interested...that's all. You might also suggest a few websites (like Alternet) and books (like the two Naomis) so they can investigate further if they wish.

At the least, it can't hurt. And the truth is you've simply got to do something to impact the crazies' base. It just might be the only potential untapped resource progressives have left.

Good luck.

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The next time...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Dec 7, 2007 7:24 AM   
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Some idiot dares tell you that the media is somehow "liberal" you now have yet another example to point to to deny that insane allegation. The mainstream media will not put this most basic logical concept together... that Bush either lied or is a fool. Bush has continually painted himself into such corners where there truly is no good option for him... yet the media never says a word about it.

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» RE: The next time... Posted by: VZEQICVA
OLBERMANN NEVER DISAPPOINTS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Dec 7, 2007 8:33 AM   
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Fact is,if anything he said actually did any good, he wouldn't be allowed to say it. He makes us feel better but nothing ever changes. Sorry to rain on the parade but absolutely nothing works. George lives in his bubble and is not required to answer to any of us. Leaders connect with their people only by choice. He chooses not to and for 7 years it's been OK. Something to consider when we vote in '08. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: OLBERMANN NEVER DISAPPOINTS Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
Everyone:
Posted by: motamanx on Dec 7, 2007 8:37 AM   
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Everyone:
Write and call your congressperson and Ms. Pelosi. to the effect that our Monkeyboy Sheriff (that's what they call him in Australia) and Darth Vader have to be impeached forthwith.

Numbers, large numbers, are important.

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Bush in White House
Posted by: imaninfo@sltnet.lk on Dec 7, 2007 8:50 AM   
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In the History of America we have never seen a President who exploited the constitutional provisions to suit his pathological madness. The sooner you get rid of him it will be better for peace loving humanity.

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Dead wrong, Keith!
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Dec 7, 2007 9:36 AM   
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Bush II will rank FAR BELOW idiots like Grant, Hayes, Arthur, Cleveland and Garfield.

He'll be down there in the sewer with vermin like Reagan and Nixon.

plur

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No Comment
Posted by: JOSSIECOX on Dec 7, 2007 10:25 AM   
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If Olbermann is right and President Bush is serious, then I have no comment!!

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A lone voice
Posted by: Doubtom on Dec 7, 2007 10:55 AM   
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Olbermann has always been unstinting with the facts when it comes to reporting and commenting on the news of the day. There is no more forceful and honest voice in the media. He should get a prize that reflects his unique position among the many mediocre pundits and commentators.
That speech should have been given at a joint session of Congress with the Supreme Court in attendance but for the protocol that prevents it.

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S. 1959 and Executive order 14348..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Dec 7, 2007 11:39 AM   
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I saw this last night live when Keith did it and agree with every word of it, but if he doesn't start to cover the implications and ramifications of the most dangerous Bill to American Freedom and Free Speech in America S.1959 The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Bill passed by our Congress 404-6 he may "Special Comment" himself right into a KBR detention camp as a "Homegrown Terrorist" where many of us who dare to dissent will be joining him as well..Executive order 14348 would also allow the government to kidnap and detain anyone for some very vague and frightening definitions with no Habeas Corpus that applies as well..

It's time to get Bruce Fine and Professor Jonathon Turley on the show as well as Phd. Steven Yates on to explain and alert America to the coming repression..and oppression..

An I have not included NSPD-51 and HSPD-20 which will also allow the establishment of a Unitary Dictatorship over America..


Good luck Keith and watch your back..!

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Keith Deserves Special Commendation
Posted by: dhoa1 on Dec 7, 2007 12:27 PM   
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I also saw the live broadcast of COUNTDOWN last night. The section cited proves that Keith is not completely crippled by the present writers' strike, and leads me to believe that what you hear in his typical SPECIAL REPORT is written, as well as read, by him. Much of the show is silly, in my estimation, but gems like this make up for it.

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Go get 'im, Keith.
Posted by: justgreenleaf on Dec 7, 2007 2:23 PM   
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Give him hell Keith. He deserves it.

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Mr. Lloyd Simon
Posted by: lsimon on Dec 7, 2007 3:29 PM   
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Mr. Olbermann,you are still the only journalist in the US, that has the courage to tell the public the truth about the current white house resident.

I can not understand how the majority of Americans, do not realize that Mr. Bush is only for himself and his legacy.

In my opninon, NOTHING ELSE, MATTERS TO HIM, BUT HIS CONTROL OF POWER AND HIS LEGACY.

The Iraq war (as he calls it) was brought about by he and his two father figures,(Cheney/Rove) just as an insurance policy for his term of office and re-election.

You can hear the two boys telling him afer 9/11 this is it! "Let's preach war,and let's preach fear, that's the way to control the white house, that's the way to have POWER. Our slogan will be WAR AND FEAR and sometimes FEAR AND WAR. That is our road to sure victory for ourselves.

THAT'S WHAT THEIR EVERY MOVE, EVERY WORD, EVERY BREATH IS ALL ABOUT .... POWER AND THE LEGACY.

Hope that one of your staff will watch Tim Russert this Sunday, for as you know his guest is THE WORLD'S #1 MAYOR & TERROR EXPERT ... HIS MAJESTY GIULIANI. Am sure that Tim Russert will not converse with him, with the strength of a Keith Olbermann,by letting the public know what Giuliani is really all about.

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Just say NO.
Posted by: mom'z the word on Dec 7, 2007 5:04 PM   
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We have enough evidence to impeach both Cheney and Bush. Why has this not happened? A democracy that cannot rid it's own self of a tyrant and despot does not speak well at all for a democracy.

We all fear that Bush will declare war on Iran. We fear that he will do this, can do this without rhyme or reason. The military, the NIE, the Congress are all opposed to such an action. Yet we are all still paralyzed with fear and do nothing.

As commander-in-chief and with the power our Congress gave him to declare war there is still a sound and reasonable solution. It is a simple one. I am very surprised no one has suggested this.

Bush is one person. It takes a nation, a congress, a war machine for him to be the most powerful person on earth. If we are all against this unthinkable, insane, idea of declaring war on yet another nation for no good reason all we have to do is say no.

How do you declare war? The commander-in-chief orders troops, guns, and other weapons of mass destruction into a country for the purpose of killing everyone and everything that gets in their way.

What if Congress says to the military commanders ordered by Bush to invade, we do not nor do the American people want you to obey this order. We order you to disobey an insane order from this insane President that has betrayed our trust and
lied to us so many times. He can not be trusted, therefore you must refuse to obey his order.

What then? Who would press charges against any one of the military commanders that took their orders from the Congress of the United States and refused to invade Iran? This in fact is as it should be in the first place. Congress was the only one that could declare war. Bush changed all that and now it is time to make it right.

This simple act of just saying no to the President gives Congress and our country its power back. Without the Congress, and the military to carry out his orders Bush is nothing. He is powerless. It is as good as an impeachment only better. By just saying no and refusing to fight a non-enemy, we stopped a senseless war AND got our country back.

To obey a stupid order just because it came from the President, who we all know is not acting in our best interest, is just stupid. How much courage does it take to do the right thing? Just say NO. Congress tells the military to just say NO. The Military takes its orders from Congress and just says NO to Bush.

Its over. Its done. And the world once again can look upon a democracy as a good, workable form of government. And the best part is NOBODY died. Just say NO.

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IMPEACH
Posted by: Schroeder on Dec 7, 2007 7:39 PM   
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As usual, great job Keith. Many of us know that Bush is not to be believed nor is his evil twin Dick Cheney. Frankly, the administration is full of people who are not to be believed. We need to stop being surprised when we find they have lied...we need only look. If their lips are moving, they are. What we need to do is to begin now to impeach Cheney first, then Bush. If there is not reason to impeach Bush and Cheney, then there never has been, and there never will be reason to impeach anyone! And, if there is reason to impeach, there can be no excuse for not doing so. The harm these fools continue to do to this country and to the world and the continued opportunity they will have to commit harmful acts if they are not impeached is all the more reason to IMPEACH. Maybe the rest of the world will forgive us if we stop standing around like dumb asses with our hands in our pockets and do something. Then we can set about making right what those criminals have done to the world.

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Thank you... again, Mr. Olbermann
Posted by: blitzmesser on Dec 7, 2007 9:30 PM   
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...an unhinged, irrational Chicken Little of a president shooting his mouth off, backed up by only his own hysteria and his own delusions of omniscience.
That is a perfect description of the current president of the United States of America.

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mick3
Posted by: mick3 on Dec 8, 2007 7:42 AM   
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Just to say "thanks" to Alternet for providing a transcript of Olbermann's script. I will share it around.

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Keith Obermann show/Bush's lies
Posted by: Katmandue on Dec 8, 2007 10:52 AM   
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Could the strong friendship Bush claims to have with Putin be a clue into his twisted logic? Does he have plans to wish us all into the cornfield or are we destined for Siberia?

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Impeach Cheney, 4000 KIA worse than BJ, Jail Ken Starr usUSA
Posted by: melindyrose on Dec 9, 2007 8:09 AM   
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To honor the dead Americans from the coast Guard and National Guard who never signed up for this detail, jail the big oil war profiteers, halliburton payroll ho cheney first.
blackwater criminalized.
the only ones who have ever dropped the bomb are americans.
kids are on i-pod to escape the sex and food war brainwashing of american conglomerate television "programming".
these are high crimes and misdemeanors.

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TERRYTOM
Posted by: terryton on Dec 9, 2007 8:15 AM   
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Great article. The time line of Bush’s lies really tells the story and exposes the motive.
He is bent on attacking Iran.
There seems to be a general misunderstanding and yet of acceptance of the Iran bomb hype. I heard Scott Ritter on the radio on Friday Dec. 7th. He says and the leading world nuclear investigators agree that Iran never had a bomb program. The 2003 date is not accurate.
It is clear to me G W Bush is a sociopath and incapable of compassion. His personality disorders may be more than that. Paranoids cannot be wrong hence his inability to admit any wrong or change his mind. “Don’t confuse me with the facts my mind is made up” has special application to G W Bush. Moreover, I think he is a serial killer by proxy. His behaviors as governor lend insight to that madness. Blowing up frogs is a key marker for serial killers. His smirk and giggle when the mention of world war III was first made gave me chills. Be afraid be very afraid, G W Bush is bent on world destruction. Never forget he said, “God speaks through me.” If that’s
not insane I know nothing. He believes it. It is estimated that as much as 25% of the population may be sociopath and that may explain why Bush’s approval rating are not less than they are.
We really need to get those madmen out of office

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Olbermann's fact;s like Dan Rather's facts.
Posted by: AGB100 on Dec 11, 2007 6:59 AM   
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Olbermann: The only journalist on TV who speaks to the converted -- no one else takes him seriously. Unlike everyone, even on FOX, Olbermann is the only "journalist," and I use the term loosely, who will NOT debate an opponent on facts. Because he cannot. The only one who will NOT invite opposing viewpoints. EVER! Because he is a coward and cannot debate facts. A proponent of free speech: his. Not yours; not mine. I challenge him right here to debate me on any issue of his choice. You want facts? Try this:

http://americanangle.blogspot.com/

Or yahoo groups: "MoveOnFacts" articles 1,2,3

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Clear and Precise
Posted by: johnofphilly on Dec 11, 2007 12:32 PM   
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Mr. Olbermann has carefully, thoughtfully, and thoroughly constructed this speech perfectly.

His careful analysis has cleared up any doubt in my mind as to which item Bush is - clueless or evil. Eisenhouer warned us about what would happen if and when military industrial major shareholders ever gained power.

Mr. Olbermann points out (without naming) who was pulling Reagen's strings - GHB. No surprise there. These are war profiteers. To those unaware, Cheney worked in that administration. Then during the Clinton years was President of Halliburton.

To the little minds of evangelical sheep, they wouldn't see what any of that has to do with it. The respondents here seem to be bright enough to realize fully well what that has to do with it.

Congratulations to a flawless job well done, Mr. Olbermann. It had to require a lot of coffee and headaches to put that together.

Shame on MSNBC's webmaster for disabling your video; many thanks to Alternet for providing it here.

Finally, after years of deceit, a ray of clear illumination.

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Not so fast Olbermann!
Posted by: AGB100 on Dec 11, 2007 1:50 PM   
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Olbermann's tactic: Take an illogical premised and follow it logically to an illogical conclusion.

"If one actually reads the new NIE summary, one finds vindication for the hard-line that the Bush administration has taken towards Iran, up to and including the initial invasion of Iraq. The NIE argues that the reason Iran “does not currently have a nuclear weapons program” is that “the program probably was halted primarily in response to international pressure.” And from where has that pressure primarily come? The United States, which has applied sanctions, pushed the Europeans and the UN to apply multilateral sanctions, and has repeatedly threatened military action to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities (in diplomatic language, refusing to take the military option off the table). But perhaps the most important action that got Tehran’s attention was the invasion of Iran’s neighbor, Iraq, to preempt Baghdad’s development of Weapons of Mass Destruction.

The NIE states, “We assess with high confidence that until fall 2003, Iranian military entities were working under government direction to develop nuclear weapons.” This effort had been underway since “at least the late 1980s.” So, why the sudden decision to halt in 2003? What happened that year to send Tehran a message? The capture of Baghdad by U.S. forces that April.

President George W. Bush showed he was willing to follow up his earlier characterization of Iraq, Iran and North Korea as an “axis of evil” by destroying one of the “axis” regimes. This action sent a shock wave through the other two rogue states. By August, both North Korea and Iran had entered negotiations to head off feared military strikes by the United States."

- William R. Hawkins is Senior Fellow for National Security Studies at the U.S. Business and Industrial Council in Washington, D.C.

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An Education
Posted by: AGB100 on Dec 13, 2007 10:08 AM   
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One cannot obtain an education from Keith Olbermann who takes out of context snippets and builds his case by taking an illogical premise logically to an illogical conclusion. One needs to follow ALL the news, not just MS NBC's "news' or that of "The Nation." One cannot do an analysis of a building's three dimensional geometry from looking at a single elevation and ignoring the rest. It is unintelligent to do so!

MS NBC has one leftist show following another in prime time. Otherwise known as "balance."

In fact, one needs to see FOX too -- the only outlet centered to right in a sea of liberal broadcasting -- even if you don't like it! Fair and Balanced? Olbermann is neither. He will NOT debate a savvy pundit, not one; let's say Charles Krauthammer, a Pulitzer Prize winner. He will not allow a political opponent to have his say -- to provide BALANCE to any issue.

Balance is NOT Olbermann's forte; distortion is.

One cannot distort if one gets both sides of a story. Olbermann's intent is to distort, convince, politicize, and brainwash.

If Keith Olbermann could debate a knowlegable opponent, he would1 The reason he does not is because he cannot.

Krauthammer, a former psychiatrist, identified the Bush hatred accompanied by arrogance typified by Olbermann as BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome), when he observed just before the 2004 elections that: ".... the liberals needed sympathy after 2000, but if Bush won again in 2004 they'll need therapy..."

CK's prediction turned out to be true, and his reputation as a truly wise man left intact.

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Extremist rhetoric vs. Moderate analysis
Posted by: johnofphilly on Dec 13, 2007 11:12 AM   
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Rupert Murdoch is so extreme he borders on censorship. Is it any wonder Olbermann has to blast away with both barrels?

You seem to think extremist hyperbole is the only way to purge the truth and the big picture. You and Olbermann may bear a similarity in that regard.

Our only export now seems to be war. It will be a better day when munitions peddlers and war profiteers are out of office, and a moderate, stabilized bipartisan exchange can occur.

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Locke'nload
Posted by: Locke'nload on Dec 17, 2007 9:57 AM   
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The man is a god. If it were not for Olbermann, I would be screaming at
the walls. He singlehandedly put a halt to the endless stream of outrages dutifully reported by "journalists" followed by soul sucking silences. I am as grateful as I can be to him. He mirrors my frustration and gives me a voice that I (apparently) don't have with my "representatives" in Congress. Long may he wave.

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