starting a new investigation into 9/11, and campaign on ending the wars.

With the majority of Americans now firmly against the wars, and at least half of all Americans doubting the "official story" of a man in a cave directing 19 hijackers to use boxcutters to fool our military and security systems" (wherein they use two planes to bring down three skyscrapers), Kucinich and Paul ought to have a huge advantage over all the other front-running candidates who are pro-war, pro-torture, and obviously covering for the current administration's covering-up of the overwhelming evidence of the 9/11 inside job.

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Elizabeth Kucinich. Now there's a First Lady.

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Mrs Kucinich would be, considering ...

Laura Bush is most likely stumbling around the west wing basement in the dark this very moment, a fistful of xanax in one hand and a texi-rican margarita (margarita with tobacco spit) in the other, looking for her copy of 'my pet goat'

Nancy Reagan using the Kremlin hotline to make midnight phone calls to Soviet psychics and astrologers while her husband was dozing off in the oval office

'Barb' Bush, matron of terror, forcing the hapless and quivering staff to perform pedicures on her which could only be described as "horrifying"

Betty Ford wandering around trashed on listerine reading the warren commission report

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He is just an anti-war conservative Texan. He is against everything progressive, from a woman's right to choose to social security. With Paul as president or vice president the whole country would be just like Texas-a bunch of gun toting home schooled inbred idiots. We don't need another idiot Texan in the White House.

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I love all of Dennis' positions but only some of Ron Paul's - getting rid of the Federal Reserve and the IRS being the best of the lot- but I think if they could resolve the major differences it would be a great idea. We need drastic change in this country, and we need smart, strong people to make it.

And I would LOVE for Elizabeth to be our First Lady - what an amazing woman. Just the fact that Dennis was smart enough to ask her to marry him the second time he met her, and the fact that she said yes, should tell you the man is smart and knows how to get what he wants.

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intelligent. Did you notice her grin before answering that question? The reporter was obviously not taking her seriously and she obviously was not taking him seriously but she refrained from cussing him out or threatening to slap him. What class!
Given Ron Paul's Libertarian appeal, using the
Bi-Partisan card was brilliant!
FYI: The video quality was crap, but I heard and saw enough to laugh out loud and grin wickedly myself.

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however, there are some significant ideas held by Ron Paul with which I could never agree. Yes, Kucinich is right on as far as the majority of issues, including IMPEACHMENT. I'd be interested to hear Kucinich expand on people he might look at for his cabinet...I'd really like to know who he thinks would be a good Secretary of State, Defense, etc...He wouldn't have to make a firm commitment, just to articulate his musing about the subject.

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DK/RP ticket would do something that would turn the electorate on it's head, wake-up the 50% of the populace that long ago gave-up on this corrupt system.

Like Nader, Perot that populace approach would ignite those that have felt disenfranchised and if that were to happen you could toss all predictions out the window.

Personally, I believe both men are pragmatic enough to compromise. DK being the more intelligent and diplomatic would be able to control any of RP's more radical proposals to cut social programs.

At any rate, given what the corporate owned politicians are shoving down our throats I'd vote for DK if he picked Winnie the Poo as a running mate.

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I'd definitely go for it! I'd love to see 9-11 reopened and Bush/ Cheney and all the other NeoConspiracy Criminals exposed--in fact, I'd like to see their Heads on Sticks, 'flys buzzin all around their eyes'! Plus the infernal Federal Reserve brought down!
One caveat--I'd want Denis to be Prez, Paul V.P.
With Elizabeth as First Lady--Wow, what a looker! It would be "Camelot Revisited" like Jackie-O!
Til the Illuminati took them out, that is. This is a Dream Ticket for me. And John Edwards is my personal favorite, but anyway, Yes--I like it!

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In the plus column, having the ongoing give-and-take between a lefty and libertarian would be good for the country because it would tend to reduce the authority of the Executive branch.

Elizabeth Kucinich would be a great asset to the nation as previously noted by other posters.

To me, the best thing about Ron Paul is that he has the GOP totally flummoxed. They don't know how to handle this guy, who is in many ways articulating the so-called "true conservative" position. He's an embarassment to the GOP at every debate, because as the rest of the herd spew platitudes and nonsense, Ron Paul stands up and tells the truth as it's understood by many Americans.

Someone posted earlier about Paul's other positions... if you dig deeper than the 4 or 5 issues where he agrees with progressives you find a very traditional Texas conservative. I've recently visited a blog that explores those positions in great detail, which would be something worth a visit if you want more information before you agree or disagree that he might be a good running mate for Kucinich. Unfortunately I don't have a link for you but if you Google for it you'd probably find it or something like it.

We're going to caucus for Obama, BTW, but in my case it's a political calculation rather than where my heart is. I think Dennis would make a remarkable president, but I don't think he's electable. I hate to say this, and I personally take no stock in it, but he's not photogenic and he's too short. Those are lousy reasons to not vote for president. But the practical matters matter, and I think Obama can win the election.

While I'm at it, there was an article here a couple of days ago about the need for Dems to come up with an Iran policy and I hope the Dems read it.

I hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving and Buy Nothing Day.

-Wexler.

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what an awakening that would be for those than whine and complain about the state of affairs, yet refuse to support the candidate that is above the political crap that runs our country. Your vote for anyone, except Dennis Kucinich is a vote for America to stay the course of seeking world domination and our eventual demise!

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... has yet to be more fully explored. Surely Kucinich must be aware of this connection. If he's not, I fear to think what else of this magnitude may have escaped his purview.

No one's ever questioned Paul about this funding connection either or why he accepts contributions from this despicable voting block and their sympathizers. Paul has never returned thier dough nor has he denounced their fundraising efforts.

Now there's a story.
~Rev. El
Pastor, WVCSR

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Here are a few reasons Progressives may find Ron Paul a better choice than the others we're being faced with:

* Paul is against the Drug War, including the wars on marijuana and medical marijuana.

* Paul is for Free Speech and other First Amendment Rights.

* Paul is for strict Fourth Amendment protection against illegal search and seizure.

* Paul is against the American Empire and would bring troops home from around the world.

* Paul is, in general, pro-Bill of Rights and pro-peace and anti-war in a way almost no other major party candidate in modern times has been.

* Paul voted against the Patriot Act when it was dangerous to do so. He denounced it at the time as police state legislation.

* Paul is against ALL corporate welfare.

* Paul is against torture, secret prisons, spying on innocent Americans, and the horrors of the post-9/11 Republicrat police state.

* Paul opposes the death penalty.

Incidentally, Paul is not a conservative, he's a libertarian. That's a horse of a different stripe.

Paul and Kucinich? A DREAM TICKET, it seems to me.

Anti-war, pro-civil liberties Americans should get together and work on these issues. We must work together to stop the war, the torture, the gutting of our freedoms that is going on right now.

After we've settled that, *then* we can disagree on whether or not the Post Office should be privatized, whether there should be national health care, and so on. But those are trivial differences compared to the great concerns of today which demand our cooperation.

I've vote for either Kucinich or Paul in a heartbeat.

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If anyone actually cares to find out who Ron Paul really is and WHY he would not be a good choice for VP, go to, (and Alternet would not allow the entire link)

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com and search for Ron Paul's Congressional voting record. It is not pretty.

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I had enough respect for Kucinich up to this point to send him money - and I have been out of work since May. But, if he is actually considering a run with Paul - I want my money back! THIS would be a betrayal on DK's part. Kucinich/Paul? Insane. Paul was correct on IRAQ -thats about where it ends. He is a Corporatist and wrong about almost every thing else.

There is an excellent discussion underway on Thom Hartmann's blog. Lots of great info on Paul. Check it out and see if you think a DK/RP ticket would make any sense at all. If it makes sense to you (or Kucinich) you are NOT a progressive - you are a Libetarian at best....and I want my money back.

Ron Paul's Views are Scary

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I had enough respect for Kucinich up to this point to send him money - and I have been out of work since May. But, if he is actually considering a run with Paul - I want my money back! THIS would be a betrayal on DK's part. Kucinich/Paul? Insane. Paul was correct on IRAQ -thats about where it ends. He is a Corporatist and wrong about almost every thing else.

There is an excellent discussion underway on Thom Hartmann's blog. Lots of great info on Paul. Check it out and see if you think a DK/RP ticket would make any sense at all. If it makes sense to you (or Kucinich) you are NOT a progressive - you are a Libetarian at best

Ron Paul's Views are Scary

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From Orcinus--dneiwert.blogspot.com:

"What's more, consider Ron Paul's record in Congress. Not that he'll ever occupy the Oval Office, but what would he do after pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq? His past legislative proposals will provide some clues, and they are not friendly to progressive ideas. Here are some bills that Ron Paul has proposed, not merely voted on, but sponsored. And you can see that he tries repeatedly on certain issues, which suggests they are important to him."

H.R.1095: To prohibit any Federal official from expending any Federal funds for any population control or population planning program or any family planning activity.

.H.AMDT.1003 (A024): Amendment no. 17 printed in the Congressional Record to prohibit the use of funding for abortion, family planning, or population control eff

-- He wants to erase the distinction in U.S. law between a zygote and a person

H.R.2597: To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.


-- He would deny the use of the Federal court system -- and even Federal precedent -- to people discriminated against because of their religious beliefs or sexual orientation. This would also limit the cross-state recognition of same-sex marriages. Some of these bills he cynically calls this the "We the People Act".

H.R.300: To limit the jurisdiction of the Federal courts, and for other purposes.

H.R.1546: To provide that the inferior courts of the United States do not have jurisdiction to hear abortion-related cases.
Even though he claims to be a "libertarian", he opposes people's freedom to burn or destroy their own copies of the design of the U.S. fl

H.R.2310: A bill to repeal the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970.

H.R.694: To amend the National Labor Relations Act to permit elections to decertify representation by a labor organization.

H.R.2962: A bill to repeal all authority of the Federal Government to regulate wages in private employment.

H.R.2030: A bill to amend the Social Security Act and the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to make social security coverage completely optional for both present and future workers, to freeze benefit levels, to provide for the partial financing of future benefits from general revenues subject to specified conditions, to eliminate the earnings test, to make changes in the tax treatment of IRA accounts, and for other purposes.

H.CON.RES.443: Expressing the sense of the Congress in reaffirming the United States of America as a republic.

H.R.2139: To repeal the National Voter Registration Act of 1993.

He would repeal significant portions of antitrust law, including the Sherman Antitrust Act, the Clayton Antitrust Act, and others.

He would gut the regulatory power of Federal agencies, forcing Congress to micromanage all decision

H.J.RES.46: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

He would limit or try to repeal various environmental protection laws and regulations, including the Clean Air Act, the Soil and Water Conservation Act, and the use of devices that protect the "bycatch" of sea life.

And there is much more.

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On Wednesday Jesus' General noticed that Paul won the coveted endorsement from the white-supremacist organization Stormfront (where we'd already noted he was a favorite).

Lady Celtic of Stormfront Radio endorses Ron Paul.

The coup de grace the same day was the report by the SPLC's Heidi Beirich at the Hatewatch blog detailing a Ron Paul campaign appearance planned for today:

The Robert A. Taft Club, a group headed by a man with a network of racist connections, has announced that a U.S. congressman, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), will address the group this Thursday at a restaurant in Arlington, Va.

The Taft Club is led by Marcus Epstein, who serves as the executive director of both white nationalist Pat Buchanan’s The American Cause and the Team America PAC, which is run by Buchanan’s sister, Bay Buchanan. Epstein writes for the anti-immigrant hate site vdare.com and he advocates for white supremacist organizations. He is especially fond of American Renaissance — a white supremacist journal that has suggested that blacks have “psychopathic personalities” — and attends the journal’s biannual conferences. In 2006, Epstein invited the head of American Renaissance’s parent organization, Jared Taylor, to speak to the Taft Club on the issue of “Race and Conservatism.”

Taylor isn’t the only extremist Epstein has invited to speak at the Taft Club’s meetings. Both Paul Gottfried, who has spoken at American Renaissance gatherings, and Robert Stacy McCain, a foe of interracial marriage who is an editor at The Washington Times, have spoken to the club. (Epstein is listed as one of McCain’s friends on McCain’s Facebook Internet page). This past February, Epstein invited two members of a racist and anti-immigrant Belgian party, Vlaams Belang, to speak to his group. In 2004, an earlier incarnation of the Vlaams Belang, Vlaams Blok, was banned on the grounds that it incited racial hatred.

As Steve Benen says:

Listening to the debates, Paul often comes across as the most sensible guy on the stage, especially when it comes to Iraq and the Patriot Act. And then we're reminded, in print, that when it comes to a paranoid vision of the world, Paul really is out there on the political periphery.

Well, regular readers here already know about Paul's extended history of dalliances with right-wing xenophobes, racists, and conspiracy theorists. You have to wonder how he's managed to keep it hidden for so long. Has the press been looking the other way?

http://thomhartmann.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/
2051097651/m/3411073982

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AUGH!!! KUCINICH AND RON PAUL?? OH...MY...GOD!
Ron Paul embraces a smidgen of reality, but the rest of his platform is as looney as Mike Gravel's. Love their outrage at the Bush/Cheney and Republican/Democrat crime wave we're experiencing, but I wouldn't want Ron Paul anywhere near my body, my child, or our national policy. The very idea of him being a U.S. 'ambassador' discussing U.S. policy with foreign countries, or his interference in health care policy makes my skin crawl. DO NOT BE DECEIVED. TO ASSOCIATE KUCINICH WITH RON PAUL IS POLITICAL SUICIDE FOR KUCINICH. Mrs. Kucinich, new to this country, most certainly did NOT do her homework on Ron Paul. Dennis had better pull this one out of the toilet, and quickly.

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No doubt Elizabeth Kucinich was speaking of ideals, not practical reality.

It is interesting that both men are NOT puppets for the Fascist Corporate Mafia status quo as ALL other remaining candidates from both parties are (yes, including Edwards). Both Kucinich and Paul actually speak real truth to power – again, quite unlike their phony competitors.

Paul has weird problems and I'd far prefer Kucinich but both men would disband a fraud "war on terror". More important, both would abolish the so-called Federal Reserve Corporation swindle (no Reserves and not Federal in any way) that has privately rigged the economy and war policy for Corporate Crime since the “Fed” was hatched.

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Anyone who would suggest that assertions about Ron Paul's affiliation with white superacists, xenophobes, racists and other national exclusionists groups is nothing but a "smear tactic" should take the time to familiarize themselves with the documentary evidence appearing regularly on Y-Tube alone.

Here are a couple of links that pop up immediately:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yafeVz8eP0U

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JOTah7qcThQ&feature=related

Stormfront Radio (one voice of America's White Power coalition) can't sing his praises highly enough.

Money is flowing into Paul's campaign coffers from a variety of these types of sources. He has rejected none of them. He has not hinted of a denunciation of the support for any of these groups. He remains silent.

Keep your eyes and ears open. Examine the evidence.
~Rev. El

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