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Why Giuliani Is the Scariest Possible Candidate

Posted by Steve Benen at 4:33 AM on October 17, 2007.


Steve Benen: Giuliani's foreign policy team is made up of "all the guys who were too nuts or too extreme to make the cut with George W. Bush."
Rudy's Four Horsemen

This post, written by Steve Benen, originally appeared on The Carpetbagger Report

Yesterday, speaking to the Republican Jewish Coalition, Rudy Giuliani's bluster towards Iran was unrestrained. He almost seemed to be looking forward to a military confrontation, insisting without proof that Iran is currently building nuclear weapons and emphasizing that the "military option is not off the table."

Giuliani said every new American president prayed to avoid war, but accused Tehran of backing attacks on US troops in Iraq, and ruled out the notion of America learning to live with a nuclear Iran.

"We have seen what Iran will do with ordinary weapons," Giuliani told a forum of presidential candidates organized by the coalition.

If I am president of the United States, I guarantee you, we will never find out what they will do if they get nuclear weapons, because they are not going to get a nuclear weapon."

The remarks were well received by the partisan audience, but they're a small reminder of why the public should be genuinely concerned about the prospect of a Giuliani presidency.

Now, I appreciate the context of this. Most Dems will say the prospect of a Republican president in 2009 is inherently dangerous. Likewise, most Republicans will say the same about a Democratic president. Undoubtedly, both sides mean it.

But clearly there's something different, and altogether more menacing, about the notion of Giuliani in the Oval Office. Josh Marshall on Tuesday described the "truly catastrophic foreign policy Giuliani would likely pursue." Matt Yglesias said yesterday that he struggled to find a way to explain how "terrified" he is of a Giuliani presidency, explaining that it would be "a quantum leap of lunacy and just the time when the country desperately needs a clean break and a lurch in the other direction." Ezra Klein added, "He's not just another Republican. He's not even another Bush. He's constructed a foreign policy team that is almost unimaginably dangerous and aggressive."

Maybe some specifics will help flesh this out.

The policy advisors a candidate chooses to surround himself or herself with can tell us quite a bit about what kind of policies he or she would pursue in office. That's especially true when it comes to candidates with no foreign policy or national security experience, such as Giuliani, who has tapped some high-profile foreign policy aides to help shape his worldview on international affairs.

In a must-see, six-minute clip, Josh Marshall explains that Giuliani's foreign policy team is made up of "all the guys who were too nuts or too extreme to make the cut with George W. Bush."

For those who can't watch the video online, Josh identifies Giuliani's top four advisors:

* Norman Podhoretz: The "Godfather of modernb neoconservatism," who believes America has to go to war with Iran as quickly as possible.

* Daniel Pipes: A man who has "a long and distinguished career of advocating war against every Arab and Muslim country in the world." He's also called for racial profiling of Muslim government employees in the United States, who, in true McCarthyite fashion, he believes may be a secret threat to the country.

* Thomas Joscelyn: Giuliani's terrorism advisor, Joscelyn has argued repeatedly that Saddam Hussein was connected to al Qaeda, and now believes Iran is connected to al Qaeda.

* Michael Rubin: Giuliani's Iran advisor, Rubin has been closely connected to Ahmad Chalibi, and signed on with Douglas Feith's Office of Special Plans in 2002. Rubin, too, has been aggressively for an Iranian invasion.

A very scary bunch, indeed.

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Tagged as: iran, terrorism, election08, neoconservatives, giuliani, podhertz

Steve Benen is a freelance writer/researcher and creator of The Carpetbagger Report. In addition, he is the lead editor of Salon.com's Blog Report, and has been a contributor to Talking Points Memo, Washington Monthly, Crooks & Liars, The American Prospect, and the Guardian.


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Giuliani time
Posted by: frank69 on Oct 17, 2007 7:58 AM   
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Rudy is a total sicko.

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Only election Guiliani should win is for Nosferatu look-alike Halloween contest!
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Oct 17, 2007 9:25 AM   
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Let us count the reasons why he shouldn't be elected to anything else:
1) corrupt (mob-ties, henchmen indicted in federal court)
2) advocate of privatisation (of gov't services, toll roads, bridges, port security, security, etc.)
3) lawfirm ties (defends one caught in DC madame scandal, advises on privatisation deals, shysters)
4) bizarre habits and personal life (many divorces, estrangement from his children, cross-dressing, etc.)
Check out Guiliani's ORIGINAL campaign video below!

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As much as I hate to do it...
Posted by: indradawn on Oct 17, 2007 12:15 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I've been on these forums before saying I would never vote for Hillary, who I truly believe is a corporate shill. But after seeing this; jeez, I suppose I'd have to just hold my nose and do the dirty.

No matter what happens, we're fucked.

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Rudy Is Racist
Posted by: Mo MoDo on Oct 17, 2007 12:47 PM   
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Would Rudy get away with the things he was saying if it was any other ethnic group? I don't think so.

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» RE: udy Is Racist Posted by: bobtr900
GHOUL-IANI! GHOUL-IANI! GHOUL-IANI!!
Posted by: nikolai on Oct 17, 2007 1:35 PM   
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We can't lose with the mantra; GHOUL-IANI! GHOUL-IANI! GHOUL-IANI!! Just keep shouting it over and over in the way the repugs smeared Kerry (as Herman Munster). Let's even buy some ad space on busy roadways and put up giant billboards with Rudy as Nosferatu!! People will see him for what he really is and will be afraid to vote for him and it will be a big loss for Ghoul-iani and a big win for the rest of U.S.!

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Catholicism
Posted by: bobtr900 on Oct 17, 2007 1:36 PM   
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Whatever Republican candidate is the front runner he will be endorsed and supported by the Pope and the Catholic Church, my church, but NOT me. The Catholic Church has sold it's soul to satan himself in the form of the Republican Party of death for oil profits and political power.

I abhor what my religion was doing during WWII)cooperating with the Nazis) and it's role in the Holocaust and I equally abhor it's role in totally supporting the Republican Party; starting with Reagan and continuing to this very day. The Pope and the Church know no HUMILITY. Attacking America and the world will not get the Church what it wants; evil begets evil, the sword begets the sword, violence begets more violence.

The 'moral relativism of the Church may well be it's downfall.

Had the Church not endorsed the Republican party America, the ME and the world may not be in the mess it is in today. The Church learned NOTHING from what it did beore, during and after WWII; and it's role in the Holocaust.

The Jewish people will not forget nor will I. Wrong is wrong no matter who does it. No reason makes wring into right.
Had the Church put up a vigorous resistance to the Republican Party they would not be able to destroy our democracy and kill the peoples in the ME for their oil. The Rethug party is certainly not there for the Iraqi sand. They are certainly NOT killing Iraqis to 'give' them democracy as they go about killing them.

Iraqis and the Arab/muslim world will never forget what is being done to them so the Bush oil family can get richer and the Republican Party can extend it's domination outside the USA. They have not forgotten the Crusades.

The Jewish neocons and the Jewish people have not forgotten the Holocaust nor have I. Unfortunately the Jewish neocons(Feith, Wolfie, Pearle, Pipes, Lieberman, Libby, et.al.) are as bad as the Gentile neocons(Cheney, the Bush family, Jeb Bush, Rumsfeld, Addington, Gonzales, Yoo, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rupert Murdoch et.al.).

Thanks to the aforementioned, we are all on a very slippery slope to perdition/hell/ what ever one wants to call it. The human psyche once damaged sometimes never recovers.

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» what? i wasn't listening Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» RE: Catholicism Posted by: tymoteusz3
What's terrifying about Guiliani ...
Posted by: nc green on Oct 17, 2007 5:27 PM   
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... is that there is nothing he won't do or say to get the power. I don't think he even knows what he thinks. He just wants. More power. More more more.

How many people are living inside that skull?

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Hillary the Scarriest
Posted by: herbal on Oct 17, 2007 6:06 PM   
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Giuliani is a known quantity and does not have a chance of getting elected. This is not true of Hillary Clinton. The Democrats are in disarray because of the Blue Dog stealth republicans. Of these, Hillary is the greatest pro-Iran-war hawk. For peace activists there is no more urgent issue than this concerning the Primaries:

Hillary addressing AIPAC (3 min.):

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVWagtd8uwM&mode=related&search=

Hillary's "No options left on the table..." nuclear threat.

Then consider the company she keeps at AIPAC:
Rev. Hagee the self-described Christian Zionist. rapture cultist: www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDRxmqOn7x4&mode=related&search=

"The Israel Lobby (excerpt from Tikkun newsletter)
"In this Issue Tikkun Editor Rabbi Michael Lerner responds to the recent publication of The Israel Lobby by John Walt and Stephen Mearsheimer by giving an in-depth analysis of one of the most important issues in U.S. politics today: The power of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) to control the relationship between the United States and Israel.

"He comes to one conclusion: AIPAC is bad for the Jews, bad for the U.S., and bad for the world and he tells why.
This is not only a Jewish issue. Lerner presents ideas for how the Network of Spiritual Progressives can become the interfaith alternative to the Israel Lobby and shows that it can only do so with the help of non-Jews as well as Jews."

Bill Moyer's PBS show last Friday focused on RABBI MICHEAL LERNER and CHRISTIAN ZIONISM.

Editorial comment: Will US foreign policy continue to be directed by AIPAC under Hillary Clinton? All the candidates need to be asked if they have accepted donations from foreign agencies and lobbies like AIPAC. It is time to join with the Jewish peace activists here and in Israel, and not fear the Lukid zionist backlash of AIPAC. Israelis are deeply divided over war and peace issues; we simply don't get their news past the US corporate media censors. Hillary Clinton represents a travesty of an added 4 to 8 years of the same world hegemony as Bush Jr. Let us not forget her perfect Bush agenda voting record up until the day her campaign began! There should be no options left on the table to defeat Hillary Clinton in the Primaries. We certainly must remember the Republican media campaign to declare all candidates as "unelectable" with the exception of Kerry (Yale, Skull and Bones, Wall St.) in 2004. This article seems to be cast in that mold that we see being cast in the TV "debates"; downplaying the most progressive candidates while focusing on the least threatening to the status quo. What do Carl Rove, Dick Cheney and Hillary Clinton have in common? Invasion of Iran fixation.

Hillary AIPAC video address:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVWagtd8uwM&mode=related&search=

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IS RUDY A ROMAN CATHOLIC?
Posted by: fg on Oct 17, 2007 9:55 PM   
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one who is thrice married, pro-choice, and for gay marriage? If he is this faithful to his Church, one wonders how faithful he will he be to the U.S. Constitution.

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» RE: IS RUDY A ROMAN CATHOLIC? Posted by: JSquercia
What scares me most about Rudy
Posted by: Camilla Cracchiolo on Oct 18, 2007 3:43 AM   
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Is that he ignored all the advice given after the World Trade Center was bombed in 1994 and placed the rescue command coordination headquarters not in Brooklyn, (where all those who knew anything wanted it) but back in the same old place. Smack in the World Trade Center, NYCs highest profile target.

Sure Rudy was wandering around the site after 9/11! His own command post got bombed! He endangered the lives of rescue workers by his foolish decision. And we want this guy in power when the next Katrina hits? Or the next 9/11?

One of Bush's biggest problems is his rank stupidity, defined as HE DOES NOT LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES! Let's not elect another one.

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Clearly?
Posted by: Schauvin on Oct 18, 2007 5:32 AM   
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"But clearly there's something different"

If its so clear, why does it need to be stated :P

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Rudy is a Fascist
Posted by: Nick on Oct 18, 2007 7:03 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
He is playing Zionist violin all his life

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Savvy New Yorkers have know this all along
Posted by: larryracies on Oct 18, 2007 9:28 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Rudy Kazootie is a nutcase control freak and should not be allowed anywhere near the oval office.

The media should reveal his flawed persona rather than concentrating on his positions.

A contest between him and Hillary would be the Election From Hell.

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Rudy “9/11” Giuliani (cover-up candidate)
Posted by: stryder on Oct 18, 2007 4:35 PM   
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What goes missing in practically all Giuliani coverage is that this political crime hack owes his global standing to one crooked day. That’s a 9/11 event that happens to be a confirmed criminal cover-up and national disgrace (as virtually admitted to by Kean and Hamilton).

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com

Is that corporate media omission accidental?

Outside an official 9/11 fairytale bubble Giuliani would have nothing. With corporate media running cover for Washington and bad actors like Giuliani we have Fascist government by deceit and corporate crime.

“Most Dems will say the prospect of a Republican president in 2009 is inherently dangerous. Likewise, most Republicans will say the same about a Democratic president. Undoubtedly, both sides mean it.”

What a joke this line is. Dems and Repugs are both play actors at the same bad Fascist theatre run by the usual oligarchs.

If anyone here actually believes Hillary will be far different than Giuliani I have a bridge to sell you and yours.

Wholesale.

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AuH2O Reincarnated
Posted by: ohb0b on Oct 19, 2007 2:26 AM   
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"In your guts, you know he's nuts."

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Ron Paul got right in Rudy's face...
Posted by: johndoraemi on Oct 19, 2007 6:18 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...and when Kucinich and Gravel are kicked to the curb by the DLC warmongers, you should have a look at Ron Paul (who unlike the "top" Dems, actually voted AGAINST the Iraq war crime). He has grassroots appeal, some fundraising ability, and he has one of the best civil liberties voting records -- if not the best -- in the entire congress.

For that reason alone, we should support him.

Crimes of the State Blog
"a rude awakening"
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/

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THROWN OFF 9/11 COMMISSION
Posted by: TruePatriot5 on Oct 20, 2007 2:37 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Guiliani was too busy on the public speaking junket colleting $$$$ for his speeches to be bothered to show up for even ONE 9/11 Commission meeting, so they basically told him not to bother and went on without him; probably a good thing anyway!
At one of the debates, Ron Paul confronted Dummy Guiliani and asked him if he had even READ the 9/11 Commission Report, which Guiliani hasn't taken the time to do his homework! Guiliani was trying to mock Ron Paul after explaining the reason we were attacked on 9/11 was because of Blowback; we've been BOMBING Iraq for the past 10 years AND we have a military base in Saudi Arabia, which is the Muslim Holy Lands and Guiliani seems to be oblivious to the FACTS!
YES, indeed this is a VERY DANGEROUS MAN, probably WORSE than Dick Cheney, which is pretty hard to beat in my book!
I just PRAY that the American voters WAKE UP and see this HYPOCRITE for who he really is! He couldn't even remain faithful to his many wives, and we're supposed to TRUST him to lead our country in these very dangerous times? I DON'T THINK SO!
PLEASE people, do some SERIOUS research and check out Dr. Ron Paul! DON'T BELIEVE everything that you are being force fed by Main Stream Media and look outside the box! Use your OWN brains and THINK who would honestly be the BEST PERSON to lead the U.S., NOT the best political party! They're basically all wired the same anyway and most are already corrupted by big business and lobbyists! Ron Paul DOES NOT accept campaign contributions from these corruption peddlers and he is a PRO-LIFE Doctor!
I don't agree with everything that Ron Paul says, but he is one of the few who speaks the TRUTH! He is for SMALLER government; and I would probably be directly affected by his views on Social programs, as I receive a small stipend from Social Security as a dependant of a retired worker. Check out his voting record and his views on YouTube, he is RIGHT ON about the Federal Reserve! The Fed Reserve is responsible for the condition this country is in right now! They create Recessions and Depressions!

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Rudy's table?
Posted by: motamanx on Oct 20, 2007 8:05 PM   
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How can the corrupt empty suit Giuliani say with assertion that military action is not off the table? He has no say so in such afairs until he is elected to something.

--Rowland

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