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MoveOn vs. Rudy: Hillary Gets It Right, Elizabeth Edwards Gets It Wrong

Posted by Jane Hamsher at 12:00 PM on September 17, 2007.


Jane Hamsher: Hillary seizes the opportunity to pivot and attack -- forcing Rudy into embracing George Bush and his horribly unpopular war.
Move On vs. Rudy Giuliani

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This post, written by Jane Hamsher, originally appeared on FireDogLake

It seems like only yesterday I wanted to put my head through a wall when Hillary Clinton decided to pile on John Kerry on the eve of the 2006 election, just as the right wing was swarming him over his bad joke. It's just such a basic, elemental principle at play here -- you don't help the right wing out by repeating their talking points, ever. Why was this so hard to grasp?

But here we are, almost a year later, and Hillary seems to have internalized that principle very well. Because when baited by Rudy Giuliani and offered the chance to frag MoveOn over their Petraeus ad, she thought the better of it:

Rudy Giuliani is dropping in the polls and is unable to defend his own support for George Bush's failed war. Instead of distorting Senator Clinton's record in the campaign's first attack ad, the Mayor should tell voters why he thinks sticking with the Bush Iraq strategy makes sense. The country wants change and while Hillary Clinton is focused ending the war, Mayor Giuliani is playing politics.

Bravo. Hillary seizes the opportunity to pivot and attack -- forcing Rudy into embracing George Bush and his horribly unpopular war. She sticks the landing.

Elizabeth Edwards? Not so much. You would think that she of all people should know about the asymmetrical intimidation problem that Paul Krugman talks about -- the one where the media is afraid to go after Rudy Guiliani for claiming he's a rescue worker, but they'll try to demolish John Edwards over a haircut because they know that they'll get hammered by the right wing noise machine for the former and pay no price for the latter.

But I guess not, because she decided instead to join with such leading moral barometers as Diaper Dave Vitter and John "McCarthy" McCain to attack MoveOn. So did John Kerry, whom one would expect to know better by this point in time. Granted, we really don't expect much better from Joe Biden -- somehow he continues to find the obvious quite elusive. So I guess we have to say it once again until everyone gets it -- you never repeat right wing talking points to attack your own, ever. You never enter that echo chamber as a participant. Ever. You never give them a cudgel to beat the left with.

Just. Don't. Do. It.

The quite simple fact of the matter is that last week's carefully orchestrated dog-and-pony show just bought us several more Friedman Units of war, and all that cabbage on Petraeus's chest had its desired effect -- politicians were so afraid of criticising a military man they couldn't say what needed to be said, namely that Petraeus is betraying the trust of the American public by using his credibility as a General to present George Bush's politicized and inaccurate facts to Congress. The war is not going swimmingly, it's a full on, four-flushing disaster and the entire country knows it. Rather than turning around and kicking MoveOn in an overweening desire to have the right wing pat them on the head, maybe everyone should remember that their failure to criticize Colin Powell for the very same reasons five years ago bought us this mess in the first place, and be thankful that someone is injecting some skepticism into the conversation this time around.

Much hand wringing has ensued in the wake of the ad, and Enron Ed and Karl Rove's short term strategy to pillory MoveOn may have George Bush's desired effect of driving all the Republicans to his defense. As Digby observed, it certainly hornswoggled the media into missing the real story. But what did they really buy along with those Friedman Units? In forcing all the Republicans to rally 'round George Bush, they've left them no room to run in 2008. Says Bill Schneider:

It probably contributed to the affect that I described earlier, which is that Republicans were expected to rally behind the president. This probably gave them a little more fire.

And as you indicated and as Candy said, that could be very damaging to Republicans in the long run because they feel like they're forced to stick with this president and this policy and the political damage could be catastrophic.

I don't expect useless DLC consultants who are advising Harry Reid to hump the leg of the GOP like a neutered terrier to understand it, but driving Republicans into the waiting arms of George Bush and making them take ownership of this war could be the best thing to happen to Democrats in 2008. That MoveOn plans to go straight at uber fraud Rudy Giuliani today for the same betrayal of trust he displayed when he decided to abandon his responsibilities on the Iraq Study Group is to their credit.

Nobody wants to deal with this messy war, but our representatives are not going to be allowed to punt this time around. Many are going to get banged up and bruised in the process but that's just how it's going to go down.

Good for MoveOn for being willing to say what needs to be said and take the hit. Democrats should take their cues from Hillary Clinton when asked about their efforts and seize the opportunity to wrap this war around the exposed necks of the GOP.

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Tagged as: media, clinton, kerry, election08, edwards, giuliani, moveon.org

Jane Hamsher is the founder of FireDogLake. Her work has also appeared on the Huffington Post, Alternet and The American Prospect.


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Rudy 'playing politics'?
Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle on Sep 17, 2007 12:16 PM   
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Puh-lease. It's all playing politics. Politics is the name of the game, isn't it? Hillary just played it a bet better this time.

The only way playing politics will ever end is every politician getting a pie in the face every time s/he accuses another of playing politics.

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» RE: udy 'playing politics'? Posted by: appleton14
HILARY AND MOVEON
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 17, 2007 7:06 PM   
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I doubt that they consulted her before running their full page ad in the NY Times. Why does anyone feel she would criticize them? Rudy has no choice but to criticize. He certainly has nothing to brag about. The man waits around for Hilary to say something, anything and then attacks. Not much of a strategy. He has already worn out 9/11. He's pathetic. ANNA

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had he not
Posted by: jkbowman on Sep 18, 2007 3:37 AM   
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Anyone who believes that Hillary got the best of this exchange simply isn't being honest with themselves. The first blow that lands and stings is the one that people remember and Rudy clearly connected here. Had he not, this article would never have been written.

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I'm confoosed
Posted by: Fairybear on Sep 18, 2007 7:00 AM   
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Let me see if I've got this clear....Rudy criticizes MoveOn and Hilary criticizes Rudy making her a heroic politician.
Elizabeth Edwards criticizes MoveOn and not only has she betrayed her party but now she's suddenly she's joined the ranks of Vitter (the whoremonger) and McCain (the facist).
Okay gotcha. Now if the "enemy" brings up something even vaguely critical of your party you must never ever agree with them. So if Rudy or the others criticize the Democrats for doing nothing to get us out of Iraq we must disagree with them even if they speak the truth?
I love politics.

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» RE: I'm confoosed Posted by: hagwind
The question is about oil
Posted by: warrior woman on Sep 18, 2007 7:02 AM   
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We can fret over the words of the ad, who said what in response, etc, but it is only noise. The question goes back to why are we in this war in the first place? We can talk about all of the lies till we turn blue, in the scheme of things, they don't matter either (they do, but it's a separate discussion).

Refresh your memories or enlighten yourself and read this article by Michael Klare: Is Big Brother in Your Energy Future? at http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/157744/
klare_is_big_brother_in_your_energy_future_

Understand what is at stake. Understand that the Democrats aren't fighting tough, in all likelihood for a reason. They lucked out that Bush went into Iraq. They don't want this war to end. The reason? Oil resources. Whether we like it or not, at this time we need the oil.

It's too bad that we aren't investing in research and development of alternatives at the same time that we are sequestering the oil reserves for our consumption. If our government were smart about it, they would do both simultaneously but that takes forethought and being able to image the future in the long term. We have been short sighted for a long time. If we want to survive, we need to invest in alternatives.

Back to the ad, all of the candidates, the political parties and the public know the truth of the backlash, it's cover. It's again a propaganda move to keep us off task and doing what we should be doing.

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the small man who believed he found his balcony
Posted by: xvictor on Sep 18, 2007 7:19 AM   
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rudy giuliani's jab against moveon.org has backfired on that despicable gnome and his pathetic attempt to revive his dwindling poll numbers. This will also lead to a humiliating castration of the GOP. the republicans will start eating their own very soon.

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Oil
Posted by: frank69 on Sep 18, 2007 7:28 AM   
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Oil = money. Money makes the world go round. Oil, oil,oil. Money, money,money. Get it? FDR talked to the Saudis all those years ago during WWII. Jimmy Carter said the Middle East was all important because we need the oil.
Money and oil are bi-partisan!
FYI, we were getting a lot more oil from Iraq when Saddam was in charge than we are getting now. Look it up! Now maybe you'll understand why Poppy Bush left Saddam in charge of Iraq! Just look what his neer-do-well son has not accomplished!

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Republicans in Democrats' Clothing
Posted by: SRDancer on Sep 18, 2007 3:11 PM   
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What would cause anybody to think that there are Democrats? All I see are Republicans running for office. They're not the party of Lincoln, and they're not the party of FDR.

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Can't Get Behind This One
Posted by: goeswithness on Sep 19, 2007 3:03 AM   
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I'm looking for truth; I'm looking for real answers to the world's problems. The reason I end up being a liberal is not because I especially WANT to be a liberal, but because that's where I see the answers coming from, and that's where I see truth coming from. I try to let honesty lead me. Therefore, the concept of "talking points" doesn't carry weight with me - as far as I'm concerned, repeating the party line gets in the way of thinking. The author of this piece is placing ideology above honesty, a very dangerous thing whenever ANYBODY does it. If the other side happens to get it right on occasion, good for them - acknowledging that isn't some sort of betrayal, because the truth isn't owned by anyone. Being ideologues is what THEY do, isn't it?

Second, I think there is good reason to criticize MoveOn's way of dealing with this - at base, of course I agree that this was all a sham, but taking cheap shots, again, is the way THEY do it, because that's all they've got. We've got facts and don't need that kind of thing. Right?

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My check to MoveOn...
Posted by: adp3d on Sep 20, 2007 1:58 AM   
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...is in the mail!

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Do people still believe that we actually have two different parties?
Posted by: PopRox80 on Sep 20, 2007 11:11 AM   
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I learned years ago that they're two sides of the same coin. Blind support for either party is wilful ignorance, and nobody seems to want to point this out while cheering for "their" man or woman. NONE OF THEM CARE ABOUT US. Bottom line, end of story.

So if Dems want to attack Dems and Repubs want to attack Repubs, does anyone but the msm and the party shills really care?

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