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Bush pounded by livid Press for not supporting Troops [VIDEO]

Posted by Evan Derkacz at 10:22 AM on February 21, 2007.


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This is one of the most disgusting things I've seen in a while. And simultaneously it's one of the most optimistic.

In this video (10 mins, transcript after the jump), Tony Snow is berated by the press for the White House's tepid and ineffectual response to the outrageous and pathetic treatment of our troops at the Walter Reed Army Hospital, as broken by the Washington Post in this series of articles: HERE and HERE.

In this extensive clip from Monday's press conference, Snow dodges the barrage of questions from reporters who are essentially asking: What the hell is wrong with this White House? How can you claim to support the troops but have such a disgusting and ineffectual response to one of the most evident and sad cases of lack of support?

(And why does everyone insist on mangling "mantra"? It's not Man-truh... it's Mahn-trah. Say it: Mahn.... Trah...)

The Army, over which the president is Commander-In-Chief, is not treating wounded soldiers well. All the president's spokesman can do is spout pathetic platitudes about "action items" and self-righteous bullshit about "fixing the problem" while passing the buck to the Department of Defense.

If the president is such a weakling that he can't (or won't) "light a fire" under his own DoD in defense of American troops he simply doesn't deserve to, as Snow says, look into the eyes of the families and soldiers.

That's one of the sickest parts of this display of cowardice and bottom-feeder morality. Snow waxes moronic about the president's unimpeachable and "emotional" commitment to the troops, telling everyone that his commitment "cannot" be questioned, even as he says that you're barking up the wrong tree if you're asking the president to do something.

I honestly don't know how these people get out of bed. I honestly don't.

The optimism I referred to at the top of this post is in the burgeoning skepticism and relentlessness of the press. I place many accolades at the keyboards of liberal bloggers who've managed to raise the bar for press aggressiveness by challenging, and in some cases, surpassing their coverage over the past couple of years. And due in no small part to Press insistence, the Fix Is In at Walter Reed. Shame and pressure is all this administration responds to...

Full transcript after the jump...

Q The administration's mantra for a long time has been "support the troops." What is the reaction, then, when you read this series of stories in The Washington Post about troops coming home from Iraq, Afghanistan and being treated so poorly, apparently, based on this long investigation? What's the President's reaction?

MR. SNOW: There are a couple of things. First, it's not a mantra. I would really choose words carefully. It's a commitment to support the troops. And the President, as you know, has visited the wounded many times at Walter Reed and we are concerned about it. And the people who --

Q Were you aware?

MR. SNOW: We are aware now, yes. And I would refer you to the Department of Defense, which I know is taking a very close look at it, too.

Look, the men and women who have gone and fought for our country over there, they deserve the best care.

Q So why has that not been guaranteed, then?

MR. SNOW: I'm not sure that -- you know, when you find a problem, you deal with it.

Q So you're saying the President learned about this from The Washington Post?

MR. SNOW: I don't know exactly where he learned it, but I can tell you that we believe that they deserve better. And, again, Ed, this is something where I'd suggest you give DoD a call, because I know they've taken a good, hard look at it.

Q Tony, can I follow on that? As Bob Dole might ask, where's the outrage?

MR. SNOW: There's plenty of outrage.

Q Is there?

MR. SNOW: Yes.

Q So the President responded how when he learned about this? What, specifically -- did he order something to be done?

MR. SNOW: What I'm suggesting -- there's a reason I'm suggesting -- DoD is the proper place in which we'll be taking care of these issues. And I would refer you to them for comment. But this is something that's going to have to be an action item.

Q But is there any evidence that it was even looked at before the paper printed its two stories?

MR. SNOW: Yes.

Q Then tell us about that evidence.

MR. SNOW: That's why -- again, I would refer you, Bill, to the Department of the Army, which runs the Walter Reed Army Medical Center. This is the place where if you want to get --

Q That's just an easy way for you not to have to talk about it.

MR. SNOW: Well, it's also a way of pointing to the proper authorities, which is what you would want.

Q The White House doesn't want to be on record with a more emphatic expression of amazement and upset about this?

MR. SNOW: No. David asked where the outrage -- of course there's outrage that men and women who have been fighting have not received the outpatient care -- if you read the stories, there are many who are happy with it, some who are unhappy, and it's important that we show our commitment to the people who have served. I don't know what more you want me to do.

Q In December NPR ran a series looking at the quality of mental health care for Iraq veterans who have returned, showing that it's shocking how little care is provided to them. And several congresspeople -- Obama, Boxer and Bond -- sent a letter to the Pentagon, which you're referring us to, asking for an investigation, which they have not agreed to conduct. So you're referring us to the DoD, but they're not acting quickly on this. So does the President want them to act quickly?

MR. SNOW: Well, again, you've asked me about two separate stories.

Q It seems there's a problem that's endemic to the system.

MR. SNOW: Well, rather than leaping to a conclusion, as I said, I would suggest you call them, and then we can talk about it later.

Q Off camera this morning you said that you would have something at noon; you said, I'll talk about it then. And now you're not really --

MR. SNOW: Well, that's because -- again, I think that you may see some activity on it. And at this point I would refer you to the Department of Defense.

Q Is the system working?

MR. SNOW: Well, I'll tell you what -- is the system working? Yes. Is it working perfectly? No.

Q It's good enough?

MR. SNOW: No, I said, it's not good enough. I just told you it's not working perfectly. But there are also thousands of people who have been through the system who have been cared for. But it is important that we maintain a commitment to following up or providing the treatment that these men and women deserve.

Q Do you think the President is going to say something about this later?

MR. SNOW: No.

Q You responded to me a moment ago that the administration was aware of this before the articles appeared in the paper.

MR. SNOW: That is my understanding. But, again, this is something that's an action item over at the Department of Defense and, in particular, the Department of the Army. I am not fully briefed on the activities or who knew what, when. And I suggest --

Q Was the President aware of it? Was the White House aware of it?

MR. SNOW: I am not certain --

Q May I follow on --

Q What is the President's --

MR. SNOW: -- when we first became aware of it.* Now the President certainly has been aware of the conditions in the wards where he has visited, and visited regularly, and we also have people from Walter Reed regularly over to the White House as guests, sometimes in fairly large numbers. So as I said, the President is committed -- committed to these people, committed to men and women who have served. We need to make sure that whatever problems there are get fixed. I couldn't be any stronger or plainer about it.

Q Has he given any new orders?

MR. SNOW: No. At this point, Helen, I think the most important thing -- the way this would work is the Department of Army has its own investigation about what's going on at Walter Reed. They will be taking action. The President certainly wants to make sure that, as I said before, whatever problems there are get fixed.

Q On Walter Reed, a lot of the veterans, the medical community, the doctors, the neighbors who have worked at Walter Reed are very upset about this move, pending move to Bethesda. In light of everything that's happening, does the administration still support uprooting --

MR. SNOW: The Department of Defense has made the decision to consolidate the treatment facilities at the Bethesda Naval Medical Center.

Q Is there any chance of a second look? Some of the facilities at Walter Reed are brand new.

MR. SNOW: Well, again, I'm just going to refer you to that. This is -- all of a sudden people are trying to open up different avenues of inquiry. The fact is that those changes have, in fact, been decided upon by the Department of Defense. I am not aware of any decisions to change.

Q To clarify, were these -- any actions that the Pentagon has taken, these action items, were they done on its own, or did they do this in response to some order from here?

MR. SNOW: Again, I'm not aware that anybody has -- look, when you have a problem like this, the imperative is to fix it. I'm not sure that you have to issue orders; there are people there who know if they've got a problem they need to fix it. So I don't think that -- I will try to find out for you, but I'm not aware that the President has cut any special orders. But I will try to get for you additional information.

Q I think what we're --

MR. SNOW: I know what you're trying to do, you're trying to get a tick-tock on what did he learn and how did he respond and who did he call.

Q Yes, we're trying to determine if someone here built a fire under someone over there to do something.

MR. SNOW: You know, that's assuming that people there are callous about the fate of the people who are serving.

Q It isn't --

MR. SNOW: No, I think it is. When you say "light a fire," it's as if, you know, you find out that there's a problem and you don't move quickly to try to correct it. My sense is that there's plenty of fire for trying to get it right. But this is why I'm telling you if you want a more direct answer about this, you do need to talk to the people at the Department of the Army --

Q But, Tony, when you read --

MR. SNOW: -- who are at the ground level involvement here.

Q -- an account that says a commanding general, quotes a commanding general as saying, well, gee, we ordered repairs done, but they weren't done -- you'd think they would have known this hadn't been accomplished.

MR. SNOW: Well, again, that's why -- you've just made my point, which is you need to get back to them, and I will also get back for you with a tick-tock about what's going on at this end.

Q It's not just -- you're describing kind of a cold, detached bureaucratic process. We all know how this works. Something like this, this kind of story gets people's attention. You are now --

MR. SNOW: Well --

Q Wait a minute. You're now in the PR business, you know if something like this happens it's at odds with the commitments you make; the Commander-in-Chief might well stand up at a meeting and say, darn it, let's get to the bottom of this now and let's get answers. And this happened over the weekend, and you're saying you think the White House knew, but you're not sure; you're not sure when the President knew or if he said something to somebody. It just seems like you should have those answers.

MR. SNOW: Okay, but you also -- fine, I'll try to get them for you. But when you talk about cold detachment, I don't think saying that if it needs --

Q You're calling it an "action item"?

MR. SNOW: Well, yes, because what I'm telling you is that it is something that falls under the providence of the Department of the Army. Therefore, if you want the detailed answers about who knew what, when and how it's been handled, you do need to ask them, because they're going to have the information, David.

I can tell you that the President feels passionately about them, and you should have no doubt about it -- you've been at enough events where when he looks these people in the eye there is a commitment, a strong, profound emotional commitment to the people who serve this country. And it is one where the President is committed to doing right by the men and women who serve. There should be no doubt about that.

Q But, Tony --

MR. SNOW: Wait, wait. In that case, what I'm telling you is let's sort through the facts. I know that what you want is for me to tell you more than I know right now. So you keep at it --

Q But it would not be unreasonable for you or the President, through you, to express some kind of outrage over what has happened up there.

MR. SNOW: Well, it's also a matter of trying to figure out precisely what has happened. You have news stories, it is important to investigate. As you know, the most important thing is to fix a problem, correct? And there is absolute determination to fix the problem. The President is somebody, again, whose passion for these forces should never, ever be a topic of doubt on the part of the forces or the American people.

Q Right, but Tony, when you say he looks in the eyes of the families -- but what if the bureaucrats on the ground are not actually following through on the commitment you say he has? Doesn't he have a duty to follow through and say, what --

MR. SNOW: That's why I'm asking you to direct your questions to the people who are in direct line of responsibility for this, who are going to have more information on this than I do right now.

Q What is your reaction of Major General Weightman, who is the Commander at Walter Reed, also says in the bottom of the article on Sunday in The Washington Post, said that he's concerned and that they're bracing for, "potentially a lot more casualties," people coming to Walter Reed because of the surge. Does that cause the White House to think at all about that policy, because you have the Commander of Walter Reed --

MR. SNOW: There are a whole series of things, and, again, this is why you need to talk to people who are in the chain, because --

Q But this he said on the record.

MR. SNOW: I understand, Ed. But there are a series of things. First, for Walter Reed, what you end up having is treatment of people who are wounded -- and also this is Bethesda, as you know, different sorts of injuries are treated at the two facilities. And many of those people are there for months. And this story deals with outpatient care after that treatment, right? So it's important, I think, to understand that you've got to be prepared for all things that are going to come your way, including getting the piece right when it comes to outpatient care, and continuing also to do well by inpatients.

But, again, I know you want me to -- I'm simply not going to go beyond what I know. And in this particular case, the people who do know the facts and do know what's going on, and do know how the investigations are proceeding are the guys over at DoD.

Q I think that's part of the question. It doesn't seem like -- beyond what you know, it doesn't seem like you're asking that many questions to find out. I mean, you have a limited knowledge about the situation.

MR. SNOW: It's because they're working the issue, and I'm telling you, those are the people to talk to, the DoD.

Q -- I mean, you keep putting me off on other people --

MR. SNOW: I know.

Q This is a commitment the President has made, you said, to the families, right?

MR. SNOW: Yes.

Q So why isn't the President, why isn't his staff saying, let's get to the bottom of it now?

MR. SNOW: We are trying to get to the bottom of it, and the people who are responsible for getting to the bottom of it work on the other side of the river.

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Evan Derkacz is an AlterNet editor. He writes and edits PEEK, the blog of blogs.


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Lie to us, please, Tony!
Posted by: SteveB on Feb 21, 2007 10:50 AM   
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I especially like this question:
Q Wait a minute. You're now in the PR business, you know if something like this happens it's at odds with the commitments you make; the Commander-in-Chief might well stand up at a meeting and say, darn it, let's get to the bottom of this now and let's get answers.

You can almost see them feeding him the lie, just wanting him to repeat it back: "Please Tony - tell us how the President pounded the table - we promise to print every word!"

Why wasn't Tony willing to play? I have no idea...

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» RE: Lie to us, please, Tony! Posted by: megawriter
MEGAWRITER
Posted by: megawriter on Feb 21, 2007 10:57 AM   
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Evading the question about why the President has not expressed outrage is yet another indication of how remote, isolated, and indifferent this president and his administration are. Tony Snow's continued advise to got to the DOD is yet another evasion of responsibility on the part of this administration. Why did they not know before the Post story? Why has the President not called in the bureaucrats of the DOD to the oval office to find out what is going on? How could Snow keep a straight face and continue to assert that the press was asking him questions to which he had no answers. He and the President SHOULD have the answers. No excuse!!

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Livid? Pounded?
Posted by: dingo on Feb 21, 2007 11:05 AM   
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I watched the slimy Tony Snow try to slither his way out of this--mainly by trying to blame it all on the DOD while waxing fanatically on the Leader's great commitment to the canon fodder.

I saw a bunch of lazy, self-contented "journalists" try to pin him down without sounding particularly livid or even distressed by it all. Yes, it's all PR and they were not happy with Tony's lame performance.

But "pounded"? Perhaps this is a pounding compared to the enthusiastic fellatio they typically administer to Bush and his various propagandists.

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» RE: Livid? Pounded? Posted by: MrAllen
Committed to commit
Posted by: Domokun on Feb 21, 2007 12:01 PM   
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"See, the President is committed to the actual commitment of these troops, but the follow-up commitment belongs to another committed party, and they're across the river. What don't you people get? WE heeeere are the Deciding Commitment and THEY, over theeeere are the Acting Commitment so go ask them. Sheesh!"

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if the president did make a comment
Posted by: bookie on Feb 21, 2007 12:29 PM   
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the chimp would just start smirking and then someone would have to b**ch-slap him

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HOW DARE YOU!!! Our President LOVES our troops!!!
Posted by: xbj on Feb 21, 2007 1:39 PM   
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Almost as much as he loved the live frogs he blew up by sticking live firecrackers up their asses when he was a kid. Lord knows, Georgie sure loved those frogs as their eyes bugged out and their little bodies went splat through the air...

He'd love our troops as much as those frogs or even more, except for the fact that he can't watch each one of them individually die and isn't the one directly killing them... damn, all that needless death and suffering and no satisfaction...

Tony sure looks good with Neocon War Pig bukkake all over his face, doesn't he? What a Patriot...

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This makes me squirm
Posted by: ap0110 on Feb 21, 2007 2:27 PM   
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Being Bush's press secretary must be the absolute hellish job in the world. First criteria: leave your soul at the door. Second: talk really fast, with a lot of slime. Third: when in doubt, interrupt and patronize.

Poor Tony. How many lives will he have to live to repay his karma now?

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» RE: This makes me squirm Posted by: helenwheels
» RE: This makes me squirm Posted by: blitzmesser
» RE: This makes me squirm Posted by: helenwheels
Pounded?
Posted by: heid on Feb 21, 2007 4:32 PM   
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Huh? Where does the so-called press corps "pound" Snow? Where are their facts? Isn't a single one of them aware of the proposed Bush budget, which would cut the already-inadequate funding for wounded soldiers? Doesn't a single one of them make the connection between current inadequate funding and planning to cut it with the horror of how wounded troops are already being treated? Why didn't a single one of them point out that it's obvious that Bush & Co. don't give a damn about what's going on at Walter Reed, rather than squirming around in the much with Snow?

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VA Watch
Posted by: fanny666 on Feb 21, 2007 4:59 PM   
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Unfortunately, this is nothing new. I'm glad the Washington Post finally did some major reports on what has been going on for a long, long time.

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Support the Troops?
Posted by: fanny666 on Feb 21, 2007 5:27 PM   
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Some resources to pass along to media and elected officials:

Depleted Uranium is still poisoning vets from the 1st Gulf War. Do a google search for DOUG ROKKE

Troops Still Short On Gear

Suicidal Soldiers Sent Back to the Battle Front

Addiction and Suicide among Iraq vets (MP3 format)

"PTSD"? No, that takes years of therapy. The Pentagon prefers to call it Temporary Adjustment Disorder

Sign Up for Veteran's Report Newsletter

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» RE: Support the Troops? Posted by: helenwheels
THIS COMBAT VETERAN ASKS THE GOP WHY......
Posted by: kc10ken on Feb 22, 2007 4:56 AM   
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WHY?

Why have our benefits and the VA budget been drastically cut in the past 6 years?

WHY has the VA budget been slashed by over $28 BILLION dollars?

WHY do we combat Veterans have to pay for our prescriptions now when up until 2 years ago they were free?

WHY has the GOP ordered the closing of over 50 (YES FIFTY) VA medical Centers...including Walter Reed....at a time when we Veterans and returning wounded from Iraq, need them the most?

WHY does the GOP continue to give multi-trillion dollar tax cuts to the wealthiest and corporate America while we Veterans go begging in the streets because our budget has been cut consistently every fucking year? Did you know that in 2005 the Veterans Administration was forced to go begging, hat in hand, to Congress for an EMERGENCY $1.5 BILLION dollar appropriation because it was DEAD BROKE and would have been forced to close it's doors because of budget cuts?

WHY are wounded soldiers from dumbya's QUAGMIRE in Iraq forced to wait MONTHS for a doctors appointment because of staffing shortages due to budget cuts? Some soldiers were forced to wait EIGHT FUCKING MONTHS for a doctors appointment.

WHY did an elderly Veteran die a few months back when he had a friend drive him to his local VA medical center for treatment of chest pains.....only to find the center had been closed due to budget cuts?

AMERICA.....WAKE THE FUCK UP ....PLEASE!

We Veterans are literally DYING out here because of these BASTARDS in Washington putting priorities on tax cuts for the wealthy while OUR VA budget gets slashed time and time again. The current budget submitted by the White House has ANOTHER 2.8 BILLION dollars in VA budget cuts.......but makes the tax cuts for the wealthy permanent. Does that sound fair to you?

$600 BILLION dollars for Halliburton, KBR and Raytheon to fight a war that never should have been fought but not A FUCKING DIME FOR COMBAT VETERANS!

SHAME ON THE GOP!

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About the only thing "pounded"....
Posted by: Nez46 on Feb 22, 2007 6:23 AM   
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Was Evan's keyboard as he typed out the title. What a bunch of lame, pantywaist trough-teat sucklers! If those jokers make up democracy's front line of defense, democracy is doomed.
And who in the hell was that joker slurping out of that coke bottle? Jesus, what a complete and total disgrace to the profession of journalism.
Thank the Gods for the Internet.

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TONY 'SNOW JOB'
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 22, 2007 6:46 AM   
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Tony Snow does nothing but insult the intelligence of people who are smarter that he is. He's no match for any of them and so he takes the low road. He is an impediment to an informed public. What if the PRESS didn't show up for the next press conference. We wouldn't be less informed and they would have their dignity. Tony Snow could go back to FOX. No news ever comes out of a press conference. Stop the exercise in futility. Go to the WEB. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: TONY 'SNOW JOB' Posted by: tap17x
IT'S ABOUT TIME!!
Posted by: monkeywrench on Feb 22, 2007 9:14 AM   
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The mainstream media has finally grown enough of a spine to peek out from the administration's trenches. How nice for them.

Why is it that many of us could see how phony was the president's "committment," how his actions, or lack of action, completely betrayed what he was telling the population, years ago, and yet MSM "news" only now "gets it?" Could it be because we have no news media any longer, just corporate-paid stenographers who are still so scared for their jobs that they will only report what is safely within the current zeitgeist? Some Fourth Estate; it's more like an arm of the Fourth Reich.

Our mainstream media is reluctantly being dragged along by the band wagon of others exposing the criminal Bush administration because it is no longer as safe for the MSM to lie to us, because we, on our own, have gotten smart, and because the outrages are so gross that they can no longer be explained away, even with clever media wordsmithing or diversions. We can expect that, should their temporarily-supported, chalky spines collapse, MSM lackys will go right back to their old tricks, parroting the party line.

So, don't get too excited about the apparent turnaround by the media; although it is terrific that the truth may, FINALLY, be coming out, MSM motives for reporting it are as phony today as their coverage has been for the last six+ years.

(I have to admit, though, that it is enjoyable to watch Tony Snowjob squirm; now, if the media can grow cojones big enough to do the same to President Beelzeboob and his vice devil. . .)

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Blue Pilgrim
Posted by: bluepilgrim on Feb 22, 2007 9:39 AM   
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Perhaps the problem is that there are no deciders on the other side of the river, and DOD is not allowed to do anything about anything, especially since Poppa Rumsfeld is gone. This is typical of a broken organization where all orders must come from the top down but all responsibility and blame is put on the lower echelons (where anyone with competence and initiative has been squashed).

This is yet one more thing in the long list of Bush's failures and piece of evidence that he is a lousy manager and leader who has surrounded himself with like incompetents.

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It truly amazing that this bonehead
Posted by: BillieBob1 on Feb 22, 2007 10:57 AM   
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is the Whitehouse spokesperson. Does he actually know ANYTHING?? He must have said he 'didn't know' about 100 times! Also his responses beg the whole question of accountability (again) i.e 'don't ask Tony because he doesn't know and don't ask the Whitehouse because it's not their responsibility!!! What a load of horseshit!!! It seems pretty obvious to me that if Bush demanded that Walter Reed take care of their problems they would, and fast. The fact that Snowjob keeps deflecting the question to the Pentagon and away from Bush is cover for the fact that Bush didn't intend to do anything about the issue. I mean if Bush actually said something significant regarding the issue Snowjob would have been able to answer the questions directly and with specifics, the fact he couldn't speaks volumes. So rather than admit the President was either deliberately or accidentally out of the loop you end up with this Snowjob spinning in circles.

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They are firing up the forges to make medals already.
Posted by: johngary66 on Feb 22, 2007 12:24 PM   
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I wonder how many people will get medals for this outrage? Tony Snow should get one of them. He's as imcompetent as anyone else.

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Go peddle your crap elsewhere
Posted by: zipper696 on Feb 26, 2007 4:16 PM   
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Die, Spammer

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Bush cares? Please.
Posted by: tap17x on Feb 22, 2007 6:13 PM   
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If the Imbecile-in-Chief gave a microshit about the fighters he would not have started his little pointless personal war in the first place. To him, being quite stupid and emotionally absent, the war is an abstract means of demonstrating power and trying in vain to acquire a tad of self-esteem or Daddy's esteem. He's a hopeless narcissist with no conscience, in other words, a psychopath.

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