After years of knowing about this computer based vote theft and switching, perhaps at last the public will be informed and will react against it. Perhaps we can seek, once again, to have honest elections. Time is of the essence, however, in that each election that is stolen takes us further toward the one party state sought by the perpetrators of the fraud. Thank you, Alternet, for the video.

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...what's wrong with the site Alternet? It won't load!

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Thanks for posting this.

Would you please give us the source of this video? The link you give for Stephen Pizzo has nothing about this video.

Where and when was this testimony given?

Who is asking the questions? Difficult to hear names.

Before I send this to my County Clerk and Sec'y of State, I would like to be able to source it.

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I too would like to send it to every Secy of State.

What a difference it would have made if this guy blew the whistle not only right after the election, but before the election!!!

Why did he write the program if he knew it was for fraudulent use??? He is an accomplice to a treasonous crime.

He chuckles, like coming forward now, makes him a hero. Nonetheless, I appreciate his confession.

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It's always difficult for an "outsider" to know how any news, but most of all Homeland politics, is reported in the USA. After the "hanging chads" of Florida, it was fairly obvious to most of us here in Europe that a 21st century American Presidential Election wouldn't stand up to the kind of scrutiny that UN observers give, say, Chad itself when it goes to the polls. The Diebolt fiasco serves not only to confirm the willingness and ability of the American Princes to rig an election, but also highlights the potential abuses inherent in a badly-understood electoral medium.

I agree with your correspondant above; paper may be tiresome to count and expensive to organise, but it still remains the least easily falsified voting medium until (and if) biometric voting is properly worked out.

As for the timing of the testimony of the alleged engineer of the alleged software, it seems plausible to me that a theoretical software engineer would accept a comission like this as a theoretical excercise without believing it would ever be used. Crowing about it afterwards seems entirely in character for the software engineers I personally know. As is rightly said, at least he finally came forward.

holojojo

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I would like to distribute this to key officials in my state and to editors and news directors in area, but I too need to know the source. If this is testimony is for real, it is something explosive. I need to feel comfortable with the authenticity of this video before I can run with it.

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Big deal, we knew election evening when the Ohio exit polls and the vote tally were so different that there was a Diebolt in action. Then when the talking heads got that hand in the cookie jar look and starting 'splainin' that another election had been stolen

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ME SMASH!!!

Folks interested in this topic go here to pool your information/resources:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/election_integrity_and_reform

and dkosopedia on Voting_Rights for further resources:
http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Voting_Rights

Please think about volunteering to be a poll worker in your local precinct:
link

h/t gsmoke from dailyKos

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/23/201529/034

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I thought this was really old news.

www.bradblog.com


The above link has been following very disturbing news related to machine vote fixing for (more than) a couple of years...

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"He's" come forward now because the "government" knows one vital truth: The Public will NEVER accept the concept that their own government is evil and dishonest. You could show them pictures of the missile that ripped thru the Pentagon and they (the public) would never admit that this was an "American Reichstagg fire"!

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So this can be posted on youtube, googlevideo etc.

thanks

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Googling for "Clinton Curtis judiciary ohio" indicates this testimony was given in December, 2004. Why is it posted to Alternet now? I don't recall hearing about it at the time, but surely it can't have only RECENTLY entered the blogosphere.

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It will be all over again.
There are many Libermans in Congress.
And though they are claiming to be Democrats,
covertly they are doing everithing for
republicans to win.

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RE: Authenticity of this video:

If you recognize the US House of Representatives members, ie: Gerald Nadler of NY and Maxine Waters of CA, speaking, you can go to their websites and find out when the hearing took place. Or google the software guy's name. Google in NEWS and see if our MSP covered this.

His comments about the exit polls vs. the count are right on.

I don't know how anyone with this sort of knowledge can not blow the whistle to someone. Except they probably fear for their life.

I'm passing this on to my state and national leaders and everyone in my email list and the Election Commish's in my County (Ontario, NY).

Pass it on, the veracity can be checked by the reader. I know, it's hard, because we knew it all along and have been saying it all along. The truth really does hurt.

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i'm sure he has the source code, it's only 100 lines.

pls post.

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Oh yeah, John Kerry totally won in a landslide back in 2004. The only reason he didn't is because Diebold totally rigged the election. Come on, you guys, do you really believe all this? Were the exit polls really more accurate just because they showed you results you wanted to believe? Are you guys on the left going to cry fraud every time you lose an election? Remember, the dems aren't exactly spotless on the topic of voter fraud. (Dead voters in Chicago and East St. Louis can testify to that.)

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It may have mattered once that elections could be systematically stolen, but ensuing events, that have seen the emasculation of our representative branch of government, make the point somewhat moot. For instance, if the executive successfully claims the right to ignore or act contrary to laws promulgated by the congressional branch (as in the use of "signing statements" and the practice of withholding necessary information) what difference does it make who is elected? I don't understand the relevance of arguing about how convincing the coverup of the coup, that has taken over our government, needs to be. Congress has just become a propaganda prop that is useful to provide false issues for our controlled media to "cover." "Sanctity of marriage," abortion, phony tax "refunds," and so forth are the "business" of congress these days, when it attempts any business at all. Give me a break. Let's focus instead of the fact that Eisenhower's warning has come to fruition. We have a military fascist government with a penchant for wall to wall propaganda. Now that is an issue worth discussing. If we fail to have meaningful discussions amongst ourselves then what difference does it make who steals the vote?

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Still don't know why the American public is not up in arms about what is going on with their sons being dragged into a ridiculous war and their elections fraudulent...Don't get what it will take before everyone comes together...Maybe when real estage takes a hit.

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Just another form of Liberwocky I see here. Even those of us in the younger generation are starting to see how Liberals cry foul every time things don't go their way. It is time for them to wake up and smell the election results: Americans vote Republican too!

The reason why no one heard about this "testimony" is because it proved not to be credible. In other words, the guy is delusional, it is a hoax, much like the famed Big Foot.

Conservatives are happy to work towards a sucessful future when Liberals are in office. We think of it as our duty to society and the public good to play nice with people whose views differ from our own. Unfortunately it doesn't work the other way around. Liberals just can't understand why we think differently and will not rest until everyone sees it their way. Consequently they are determined to undermine the sitting president and "America Bash" us. Who is the real threat to Democracy?

Oh, and will you guys EVER get over the "hanging Chads" thing? Bush won! Get over it! Spend some time looking for a candidate that has character, integrity, and a plan, and MAYBE you'll win one again too! Oh, and Hillary Clinton is probably a bad choice, with her lack of integrity (Whitewater real estate scandal, cow-futures scandal --$1000 investment, $100,000 return on COWS?--) lack of character, (what woman sticks by a lying cheating husband? One who wants power.) and lack of a plan and all.

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This clip has been in existence for a while. The evidence and information is there for everyone to see. The police state is here. It's time to either be an aware slave, or to get off the plantation.

When the elections aren't rigged, the candidates are identical. You can no longer hope to make your preferences heard through voting in this country. ACTION is required.

America: Freedom to Fascism

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Any programmer (and I am one myself) knows that everything this guy has to say is bang on. We also know that it really does not matter what steps are taken to ensure the security of the code... so long as a machine is doing the tabulating there will ALWAYS be potential for rigging the results.

PAPER is the ONLY way to secure the results. USE PAPER!!! It blows my mind that anyone would be stupid enough to actually use these voting machines. At the very least these machines should be spitting out a paper receipt that the voter can check themselves and then stick in a little box like the old days so that there is a PAPER backup to the vote... otherwise this isn't a democracy at all, this is just power to the person who hires the best hacker. Whether the republicans actually did this in 2000 or 2004 is a moot point to some degree... the more important issue is learning the lesson and listening to the people that know the answers (the programmers).

PAPER PAPER PAPER!!!

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Every link I've followed to video of this testimony blocks its download. Maybe I've got it wrong, but could this story have gotten a lot of traction, and much sooner, if websites stopped using the video to drive traffic to their sites? After all, WE PAID for this video.

I have a list of thirty acquaintances who'd watch this if I sent it to them directly, but they wouldn't visit a progressive site to do so, or, if they had to, would use its nesting in such a site to bias themselves against it befgore they ever heard it.

Plus, seeing the video link next to Clint Curtis' ad for a Congressional bid (such as in the sidebar on BradBlog) causes even me to question his sincerity for a moment. Free up the video, please, and let real democracy work on this story.

P.S. If, in fact, such downloads exist, I'm the idiot.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wviWDGm9mNg

Link away.

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Clint Curtis has switched parties and is running as a Dem against Tom Feeney in the 24th Congressional Distict of Florida. Braf Friedman (Brad's Blog) has been instrumental in bulblicizing Curtis' testimony (he has taken 5 lie detector tests and past them all - Feeney refuses to take one). Check out his campaign platform at ClintCurtis.com.

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Is it really newsworthy that someone can write a program like that? Viruses and spyware run rampant on the internet - doing things that the designer wants them to do. Is altering a voting machine program that much of a stretch? Here's an easy fix - have the machine print out a punch card along with the electronic tabulation. The cards could then be used to verify the electronic count. The cards could clearly show the names on the ballot with holes punched next to the correct names. This would let the voter verify that the right ones were selected. The cards could be run through a reader to provide a quick verification with a manual verification to follow. This would create a situation where the person that wants to rig the election would have to rig the initial machine, and the mechanical machine, and the hand count. Would it still be possible to rig an election? Sure, but there are more opportunities for the people trying to rig the election to make mistakes and get caught - after which they are taken out back and shot.

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for example:
(quoted text below)

"Copyright 2004 The Tribune Co. Publishes The Tampa Tribune
Tampa Tribune (Florida)

December 23, 2004 Thursday
FINAL EDITION

SECTION: NATION/WORLD; Pg. 14

LENGTH: 490 words

HEADLINE: Challenge Of Ohio's Electors Won't Change The Election

BODY:


U. S. Rep. John Conyers, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, seems determined, despite evidence to the contrary, to raise voters' suspicions that the presidential election in Ohio was rigged.

There were problems in the Buckeye State, but the irregularities we have seen so far do not rise to the level of fraud. A prolonged effort to expose corruption in the voting process and sustain the specter of another tainted election is not constructive and only threatens more political divisiveness.

Yet Conyers is bent on stirring the water. He told Keith Olbermann, host of MSNBC's Countdown, that he and other Democrats may formally challenge Ohio's 20 electors when their votes for President Bush are opened and counted before a joint session of Congress on Jan. 6.

It takes a member of the Senate to join a member of the House to challenge the electoral vote. Conyers has not committed to being the House member, and we have not heard of any senator who will take the leap.

Nor do we see the need. In post-mortems of the vote in Ohio, experts have identified problems, but nothing that should challenge Bush's victory there. It could be that recounts would cut into the president's numbers, but even John Kerry's team did not think their candidate could overcome Bush's 119,000-vote margin.

We don't mean to be dismissive of the problems in Ohio or the need to examine them, but it appears Conyers' meetings are less about solving problems than roiling the electorate.

Democrats complained the president received more votes in counties that used optical-scan voting machines, and they questioned whether the machines were compromised.

But could it be that these voters were Zell Miller Democrats who, like voters in rural North Florida counties, went Republican?.

Democrats suggest a conspiracy was afoot in Ohio to make new registered voters stand in lines so long that they would just give up. Apparently in some Democratic-leaning precincts there were not enough voting machines to handle the number of new registrants.

That's unfortunate, but nobody forced those voters to walk away in frustration.

There are also accusations that Ohio Republicans organized to steer Democratic voters to the wrong polling places. But don't voters bear some responsibility for knowing where to vote?

Voting in a country as big as ours is inevitably a messy process. Mistakes will be made. And the goal of every elections official should be to limit those mistakes so that all persons entitled to vote can vote and will believe their vote is counted.

Hosting meetings to make sure our process of voting runs better is a worthy effort, but we don't need a witch hunt. Enough conspiracy theorists abound.

If Conyers holds meetings after the holidays, they should be about process, not to keep alive sinister suspicions about a stolen election.

Copyright © 2004, The Tampa Tribune and may not be republished without permission. E-mail library@tampatrib.com"

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May as well send along your vote via text message while you're texting your opinions and preferences to American Idol, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. It's all the same. As they say in the ads, "enhance you're wired experience".

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Hmm,.. scary stuff...

Anyway, wouldn't it be easy to get the hash code of the original and verified code. Then have a more advanced computer user, check the hash code of the source code of the machine a couple time during the voting proces.

Its an easy way to make sure the code is the original one during the voting proces and still use all the advantages of computer based voting...

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What surprises me, is that some comments of americans talk about the voting like its logical that you have some problems.

I mean how can a country that says it the boss of the free world, fights for the freedom, and is enormous technicaly advanced cannot even succeed in an election without problems, or where there are so many doubts about the correctness of the voting proces.

Sorry, but thats just plain stupid and scary to the rest of the world... Wether you like bush or Kerry...

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Nice try socialist hack. Write about the truth.

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Here is the Great Plains we usually are ten years behind more progressive ideas on the coasts. Collectively we relish that thought.

In the case of voting machines we have not yet progressed to Diebold-like electronic voting machines and it apparently is all for the better.

We have a scantron, remember college?, on card stock. We finish the gap-in-the-middle line next to each name or party an;d feed it into a machine that presumably reads the vote, yet we still have a paper trail.

Ok is OK ... for voting ...

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AND THEY SIT AND POUNCE ON ANY STORY THEY FEAR WILL AFFECT THEIR CAUSE IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY!

This is one such story, of course, and it seems that the majority of the comments were made by these TROLLS, as opposed to the "regular" Alternet members.

This story is an old one, of course, and it didn't get much "play," of course, because that is the nature of our MEDIA, which is in COLLUSION, with our RIGHT-WING ADMINISTRATION, at this time. That is the definition of FASCISM!!! (CORPORATION/GOVERNMENT/MEDIA/MILITARY) ALL WRAPPED INTO ONE! SCARY STUFF!

So, the fact that this story didn't get much "play" when it happened in 2004, means nothing. But, we can start making it "happen" RIGHT NOW! I sent this article to many people yesterday, including my county Board of Elections, and my township clerk and administrator. But, I will not stop there. I am just getting started! I suggest that all of the "REAL" Alternet readers do the same.

AS FOR YOU TROLLS, I SUGGEST THAT YOU UPDATE YOUR RESUMES, AND GET A LIFE! YOUR JOBS SITTING HERE, WAITING TO "POUNCE" ON US, WILL SOON BE OVER!

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I am fucking pissed!!! I knew it! This is stunning! How did I miss hearing about this until now? We all knew it but the proof was circumstantial. Now we have it. These criminal bastards need to be put in prison to ROT for the rest of their lives for the lies perpetrated on the American populace, nay the world. Clinton Curtis, I hope you have protection because these are the most vile and reprehensible slime on the planet. Diebold and their machines MUST be removed from our process of electing our government or we have no government. This makes me sick... This video should be seen by every board of election in the country.

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Free Speech TV's news show SourceCode had an episode last November on voting irregularities and an interview with Curtis. Pretty informative Ohio election coverage.

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I googled : US House Judiciary Members Ohio

clicked the first link: Titled " Preserving Democracy:
What Went Wrong in Ohio"

scrolled down the pages to find pictures and I see on page 10 a picture of "The Honorable Stephanie Tubbs Jones Calls December 13 Columbus Hearing to Order" -- see her red dress and the red walls behind her, and on page 12 " The Honorable Maxine Waters Speaks at December 13 Columbus Hearing as the Honorable Stephanie Tubbs Jones Looks On". Then I played the video again and see that a few minutes into it there are Ms. Tubbs in her red dress and Ms. Waters next to her and those red walls...so there it is in living color.

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To start a non-violent revolution, what we need is a change in the way we vote on Election Day.

I am in Oregon, the first and only state to vote exclusively by mail. It was sad to see people in Ohio getting the shaft by having to stand in the rain and cold waiting up to 9 hours to vote. No doubt this treatment, along with the secrecy behind the vote count, demoralized some Ohio voters to the point where they probably feel that their vote doesn't make a difference.

Oregon had the highest percentage of registered voters to cast ballots. In 2002 we had 81% participation by registered voters. In 2004, it was up to 83%.

My wife and I sat at our table, readied our pens and then cast our votes. We were able to discuss the issues with the information books at hand, and, along with our own convictions about the candidates, make decisions and mark our ballots. Then we placed the ballots in the appropriate envelopes. We could have mailed the ballots, but we opted to drive over to a designated drop box at a County Elections Office. It was one of the easiest things we have ever done.

Imagine if all those Ohio voters did this on Election Day? They would feel empowered because they could take part in our electoral process without taking off work or standing in the rain.

Our Secretary of State had an article published in the Washington Post on January 10, 2005 under the title: "Vote-by-Mail: The Real Winner Is Democracy" (Reposted at my website under the Blog.) Unfortunately, nobody listened and most keep squawking about a paper trail. Sorry, but the time has come to change the process. It does no good to cast a vote at a computer terminal. Mail is the easiest and best method. Any concerns about the counting can now be solely focused upon instead of also worrying about the casting of the vote. It wouldn't take much to establish bi-partisan or non-partisan counting groups within each state.

It's not too late for citizens of many states to begin a direct initiative and start collecting signatures in order to get it voted on in the 2008 elections. The difference in citizen trust, confidence and empowerment will be remarkable!

Go to www.electionsbymail.com

Here are some other points:

With more people voting absentee, using mail balloting exclusively avoids election administrators from essentially conducting two elections – an absentee election and a polling place election. There is more room for corruption when election administration officials have to basically conduct two parallel systems.

Voter lists are much easier to accurately maintain with mail balloting. This is because ballots that are returned to election officials as undeliverable indicate registrations that must be checked. This helps election officials purge their registration rolls of ineligible voters.

A more informed voting public is cited as another advantage of mail-in balloting. If an individual has two weeks between when he or she receives a ballot and when it must be returned, this allows a better opportunity for voters to study the issues, to clarify any points of confusion, and get questions answered."

In the effort to reform the voting process as soon as possible and change the election system to vote-by-mail, it would be best to target those states that allow direct initiatives and begin to structure and promote a ballot measure in those states.

Go to www.electionsbymail.com

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Controlled by American fascists -- more commonly known as "neoconservatives" (ne