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Kerry Fears Afghanistan War Turning into Another Vietnam

Posted by DJK, Brave New Films at 8:00 AM on January 16, 2009.


Voicing concern during Hillary Clinton's Secretary of State confirmation hearing.

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Thanks to our great friends and allies at Get Afghanistan Right, it seems like a real discussion about the wisdom of military escalation in Afghanistan is finally underway. And this discussion isn’t just on progressive blogs and the anti-war left — it’s in the halls of power, where the final decisions will be made. During Hillary Clinton’s confirmation hearing for secretary of state (transcript here), John Kerry voiced his concerns:

KERRY: Let me begin with Afghanistan, if I may. I am deeply concerned that, at least thus far, our policy in Afghanistan has kind of been on automatic. And I made a promise to myself a long time ago that I would not see all of our conflicts, ground operations in the context of Vietnam. I really try hard. I have an automatic check that says, you know, not everything is that.

But I have to tell you, in the several visits I have now made, escape it as I might, the parallels just really keep leaping out in so many different ways. –snip-

Our original goal was to go in there and take on Al Qaeda. It was to capture or kill Osama bin Laden. It was not to adopt the 51st state of the United States. It was not to try to impose a form of government, no matter how much we believe in it and support it, but that is — that is the mission, at least, as it is being defined today.

Clinton agreed that Kerry’s concerns were well founded, and added this:

CLINTON: Sitting here today, when I think about my trips to Afghanistan, my flying over that terrain, my awareness of the history going back to Alexander the Great and, certainly, the imperial British military and Rudyard Kipling's memorable poems about Afghanistan, the Soviet Union, which put in more troops than we're thinking about putting in — I mean, it calls for a large dose of humility about what it is we are trying to accomplish.

Humility in American foreign policy? Leaders who learn from historical precedents? Now that’s some change we — and the rest of the world — can believe in.

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Tagged as: vietnam, afghanistan, hillary clinton, john kerry, anglo-afghan war, get afghanistan right, confirmation hearing

Jonathan Kim blogs under the name DJK. He is a Co-Producer at Brave New Films. He co-produces the Fox Attacks series and blogs for the bravenewfilms.org and foxattacks.com websites.


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Old Name given to a NEW WAR? GOD HELP US ALL!!!
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Jan 16, 2009 8:16 AM   
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I guess our new war has a new face as well as a new definition all taken from an "OLD WAR." This is not good at all. Have we just been handed a clue to things to come this year in the area of war conflict? It sounds like it might be a duck, quack and acts like a duck.
QUACK QUACK!

GOD HELP US ALL!!!

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HUMILITIY OR DEAD BODIES
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 16, 2009 8:30 AM   
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I like Hillary Clinton but I'm with with John Kerry here. There is no clear definition of what we're doing in Afganistan therefore there can be no strategy. The terrorist thing is worn out. We can't send our own military in to kill civilians in the hopes that they get an occasional terrortist. In the meantime we lose too many of our own. We've been "humbled" enough by war, I know I have. The American people don't want it and we can't afford it. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: HUMILITIY OR DEAD BODIES Posted by: wewokaokie
» RE: HUMILITIY OR DEAD BODIES Posted by: Basenjis
Obama's plan to 'end' the war in Iraq has always been to send the troops to Afghanistan
Posted by: DCostello2 on Jan 16, 2009 9:14 AM   
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Doesn't ANYONE pay attention any more or do you just stare at the bright light and drink Obam-Aide? Obama has stated over and over again that he wants to send MORE troops to Afghanistan. His plan to 'end the war' in Iraq has always been a redeployment from Iraq to Afghanistan. He's also stated more than once that he wants to add 90,000 more troops to the US military. Why do you think he wants to increase the size of the military by 90,000? Do you think it's because he's anti-war? Good God, people, get a clue.

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thanks for making Senator Kerry mobile
Posted by: wewokaokie on Jan 17, 2009 2:19 AM   
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Thank you, Alternet, for this familiar view of John Kerry judiciously expressing his concerns re Pres.- Elect Obama's foolish plans for Afghanistan -- in video form to pass around the Net.
No war-monger, he, and now a potent requisite check-and-balance on US foreign policy, his experience and
forte.
So fortunate too he's now Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee -- and NOT part of the administration. Let's encourage him to be his own man -- and support this vital force for sanity and wisdom.

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get out!!!!!!!
Posted by: pacto on Jan 17, 2009 10:02 AM   
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get out of afganistan,and iraq, leave iran alone, take isreal to court for war crimes against gaza,then we can start to mend the terrible country we have become.

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Eyes open
Posted by: heinz57 on Jan 17, 2009 1:05 PM   
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Ms. Clinton says that we'll be going in with our eyes open. I really find that hard to believe. Corporate rule has determined our direction, hardly the open eyes of Afghan experts or the interest of the Afghan people or the American public for that matter.

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What We're Doing Is What The Military Industrial Complex Pays Our Leaders To Do
Posted by: ATH on Jan 17, 2009 2:10 PM   
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It kind of sounds to me like Kerry--amazingly--has rasied some very important points--but that Clinton is really just giving lip service to his ideas.

The fact is, this country is controlled by its banking/oil/and military corporations, and not by reason, or by representation of the people.

I can't believe more people didn't vote at Change.org on ENDING CORPORATE PERSONHOOD. This shows that most people do not understand that it is corporate control and corruption of our government that is causing ALL our problems, from our economy to global climate change, and if corporations were not mistakenly given the powers and protections of an individual, while retaining the vast wealth and political influence of the giant string of companies a corporation truly is--all the while having no allegiance, concern, patriotism, or compassion about anything except profit, despite what harm they cause in making that profit, which is often the harm of poisoning the people and their land.

Our government claims the people it has named terrorists should not be allowed American rights (or any rights, for that matter; why, then, should a nationless, multinational corporation be allowed the rights of an individual? This was never meant to be, it was a mistake (literally) and it's consequence has been the destruction of our democratic Republic to be replaced with a form of corporatism.

Not that it really would have changed anything by people voting for this, anymore than people voting to legalize marijuana for responsible adult use is going to be enacted. Again, because the pharmaceutical corporation alone spent over a billion dollars lobbying Congress last year. Plus, there's the prison industrial complex, and the alcohol industry pushing to keep it illegal as well.

Mussolini said: "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism, for it is the perfect merger of corporate and State power."

The corporate State is our enemy, and our greatest vote may not be the one we cast, but the dollars we spend. Don't like being spied upon? Well, we know it was AT&T and Verizon who co-operated. Switch! And write and tell them why! Credo Mobile will buy out your contact (up to 200 dollars) and was offering a free camera phone with enrollment..butwhat's greatest is, they donate part of their profits to institutions like the ACLU and Amnesty, Int. as well as being strict proponents of privacy protection. But even if you don't like Credo Mobile, there's T-Mobile...I don't believe they were involved, and they have great service.

Don't buy G.E. products, or Catepillar, or Motorolla, if you don't like what's going on in Palestine and Gaza.

Corporate power will be weakened by this depression (yes, that's what it's really going to be..might as well get used to saying it)and that will be the time to try to take them down. Of course, as long as they keep getting Corporate Welfare, at our expense...It's funny how they HATE the idea of Welfare helping a poor person, and want to destroy this program, and Social Security..Republicans basically want to completely undo every program created under FDR in the New deal, including Medicare! But the bastards have no problem taking money from us so they don't have to take any accountability or sufer any ill effects from their greed and their de-regulated markets!

When people start losing it, I hope they remember who it was that put them here. This country is FULL of wealth, it's just in the hands of the top 1%. The top 1% control as much wealth as the other 90% combined!!! I say, if this isn't corrected soon, we're all going to have to put on tights and learn archery:)

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What Does Kerry Think about the Palestinian War
Posted by: curiousdwk on Jan 17, 2009 5:20 PM   
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But what does Kerry think about the US' war with Palestine through our proxy, Israel? I don't trust Kerry with anything regarding war until I see that he feels what we're doing with Israel is wrong.

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But the news media paint a different picture.....
Posted by: richard0a37 on Jan 17, 2009 11:06 PM   
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So Kerry fears that the Afghan war is turning into another Vietnam.

Here in the UK, the news media portray Afghanistan in a quite different light. Every now and again, we are informed that a soldier has died and his next of kin have been informed. This might be followed by news of a road accident that has occurred.

In other words, the situation is Afghanistan is sanitised and made to look as if nothing much is going on out there.

The image of Vietnam is one of wave after wave of bombs being dropped on a largely innocent population - think of The Deer Hunter, think of the mayhem, misery and destruction wreaked in Vietnam, and the final ignominious withdrawal of American troops, and what were they really doing out there.

Is this what Kerry is saying? Is the whole of the media presentation just another great con to allow a sleeping public to remain totally unaware of what is really going on out there?

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syed salamah ali mahdi
Posted by: salamah on Jan 18, 2009 4:37 AM   
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What LBJ was to Vietnam, Bush is/was to Afghanistan! Obama will do what Nixon did, what with his female "Kissinger" by his side, you know who! Yes Kerry, you are dead right! The Last Flight Out of Kabul will come in Obama's 2nd term, by which time his Kissinger will get out of Obama the maximum she can, for and on behalf of AIPAC! Then like Kissinger, she and her husband will become the Joint Chairpersons of a Gold Mining Company in some place like Indonesia, where their Company will not allow the host government to know how much gold is being stolen and exported! The selling of one's soul and conscience to AIPAC is profitable indeed!

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