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Afghanistan Is Starting to Look an Awful Lot Like Vietnam

Posted by ZP Heller, Brave New Films at 6:11 AM on January 15, 2009.


The comparisons are growing stronger by the news cycle.

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If I told you our country was fighting an insurgency in a small, Asian, war-torn nation that has a feeble government riddled with corruption and a dangerous border serving as a safe haven for terrorists, would you say we were fighting in Afghanistan or Vietnam?  And if I said we were fighting something of an invisible enemy under the guise of preserving U.S. security, all the while thinking we will prevail (however long it takes) based on nothing more than hubris and a false confidence in our military superiority, which war would you say this was?

The parallels between the wars in Afghanistan and Vietnam are staggering and growing stronger by the news cycle.  Take Hillary Clinton's confirmation hearing for secretary of state, in which John Kerry put his reservations to escalation in the cotext of Vietnam.  Or take the announcement earlier this week in the Washington Post that President-elect Obama will send an additional 30,000 troops to Afghanistan, a plan meant to buy the incoming administration time to figure out what the hell to do in the region. 

NY Times reporter Bob Herbert, who initially dubbed the war in Afghanistan a quagmire, told Rachel Maddow this week that Obama's eagerness to escalate reminded him of when John F. Kennedy took office in 1961, ready to heighten U.S. involvement in Vietnam.  While Herbert's comparison is certainly apt, I think what's going on now actually bears a striking resemblance to Lyndon Johnson's time in the White House. 

Check out this excerpt from Fire in the Lake, Frances Fitzgerald's seminal account of the Vietnam War:

Politically, Johnson faced a dilemma.  On the one hand he, like his predecessors, judged the "loss" of Vietnam to be irreconcilable with US security interests and unacceptable to the American public.  On the other hand he had no certainty of immediate success for his policy and felt that the American public would be reluctant to support another ground war in Asia.  His political strategy was therefore to conceal his doubts about the outcome of the policy while attempting to convince the US public of the necessity for war.  

Sound familiar?

The American public is already war-weary (bordering on fed up) after seven years of Bush's wars, just as it was when Johnson sunk us further into Vietnam.  Perhaps that's why Maddow also plugged Get Afghanistan Right during her show.  We need a forum for war-weary voices to be heard if we have any chance of countering the dominant narrative that Afghanistan represents the right war for maintaining US security.  And we need it now, before history repeats itself.  

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ZP Heller is the editorial director of Brave New Films. He has written for The American Prospect, AlterNet, The Philadelphia Inquirer, and The Huffington Post, covering everything from politics to pop culture.


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Saw this coming the Day Boots hit the ground
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jan 15, 2009 6:54 AM   
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The Bushies LEAD US into an Ambush as a way to get theri foot in the Oil rich Door of the M.E.
No One need to be an 'expert' on the middle east to realize Afghanistan was a cluster fuck, needed only your memory of the '80's.
Let's be honest, if Teh bushies really want to defeat AQ, they would have attacked the country most hail from..Saudi Arabia. The majority of the 9/11 attackers were Spawn in their country..Afghanistan was merely their College Campus. They were not shipped over to be indioctrinated, they were sent to further their education.
Questions about 9/11 real backers are legitmate when you consider that Cheney was in the Admin which supported those 'Freedom Fighters' in the '80's. Hell McCain himself helped send boots & supplies to his buddy Binny. Hey John you said YOU knew how to catch Bin Laden, is that because you've been to his luxury home, bought and paid for by CheneyCorp? Was 9/11 a repayment on Your Generosity?
Funnier still, is the Fact that the same Admin also Aided Saddam in the'80's. Reason McCain was so sure the Anthrax had come from Saddam, because It was supplied by the Repugs in the '80s, Same strain.
There are Terrorist organizations operating in the World today, We call them the Republican Party and Military Industrial complex.

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Gaza Gas and Afghanistan pipeline
Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com on Jan 15, 2009 9:21 AM   
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Like the Israel's latest blatant barbaric aggression into Gaza after an inhuman 18 month total blockade, the war in Afghanistan is also about energy domination. An oil/gas pipeline has been under construction to transport Uzbek oil and gas to the Indian Ocean ports through Afghanistan sine the ouster of the Taliban regime and the murder of the Afghan nationalist leader by the CIA Ahmad Shah Masoud. The Uzbek oil pipeline is to be constructed under the total jurisdiction of the American oil giant Unocal. Ironically the Gaza gas deposits were discovered in late 1990s by British Gas (BG Group) and the Uzbek oil wealth was discovered around 1980's by the former Soviet Union’s Gazprom.

First the Russians wanted to build this pipeline with cooperation of the Afghan communist regime, however as we all know they failed in that endeavor and now the United States imagines they can win by use of force and the old rule of divide and conquer immoral and corrupting methods. My gut feeling is that the author is right on the money, we will cause a lot of death and destruction on our path but will eventually be forced to retreat and have the egg on our faces as have all previous invaders of Afghanistan including the defeat of the British army in 18th and 19th centuries.

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Hopefully
Posted by: Habaro on Jan 15, 2009 9:53 AM   
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Hopefully, Russia will soon occupy Vietnam so that balance of the quagmire continuum can be restored.

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Many of us who served in Vietnam, particularly as draftees,
Posted by: thekidde on Jan 16, 2009 6:52 AM   
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have been saying this about Afghanistan and Iraq from the beginning. No war in the history of the world has had a lasting, positive effect on civilization. We're apparently doomed as humans to go on killing and abusing each other until we finally are gone from the Earth.

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Keep telling Obama et. al.
Posted by: solitarysherlockian on Jan 16, 2009 9:49 AM   
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To say Afghanistan is looking like Vietnam--is a fact that hasn't sunk into the brains in DC who keep thinking, only a bit more of this--or that. As the British and Soviets tried--there isn't a military solution. Less military is the solution to problems, not more.

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» RE: Keep telling Obama et. al. Posted by: JSquercia
» RE: Keep telling Obama et. al. Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com
I'M AMAZED. THIS HAS DRAWN SO LITTLE COMMENT. ARE MEMORIES THIS
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 16, 2009 7:42 PM   
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short? The United States has a long history of pandering to war profiteers. Unless we march in the streets, it is going to happen again.

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Russias Vietnam
Posted by: follow the money on Jan 20, 2009 2:33 PM   
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Do you folks remember,
what the Russians said, when they got out of
Afghanistan? It Was their Vietnam. They had the top of the line helicopters, tanks, armor personnel carriers, top guns and hundreds of soldiers. The taliban survive like rats, in tunnels, caves, and mountains, and we were led in there with no promise to our young men and women in the military, that they would be taken care of ..do you already forget the walter reed scandals? and bush tried to cut off the healthcare for our soldiers also. They also brought down the soviet air force with american made stinger missiles..dont forget to learn from the past...get them out..

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