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Will Obama Be Swept Up in the Momentum of Afghanistan Escalation?

Posted by Alex Thurston, The Seminal at 9:48 AM on January 8, 2009.


Breaking down two important opinion pieces on the war.

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Yesterday saw two important opinion pieces go up regarding Obama and Afghanistan. Bob Herbert and Tom Hayden agree that Obama will own Afghanistan from day one.

Herbert says that with pressing domestic problems looming, Obama can’t afford to escalate in Afghanistan. Herbert calls Afghanistan a quagmire.

What’s the upside to the U.S., a nation in dire economic distress, of an escalation in Afghanistan? If we send 20,000, or 30,000, or however many thousand more troops in there, what will their mission be?

[snip]

Our interest in Afghanistan is to prevent it from becoming a haven for terrorists bent on attacking us. That does not require the scale of military operations that the incoming administration is contemplating. It does not require a wholesale occupation. It does not require the endless funneling of human treasure and countless billions of taxpayer dollars to the Afghan government at the expense of rebuilding the United States, which is falling apart before our very eyes.

Herbert speculates that Obama wants escalation in order to prove his toughness. Tom Hayden expands on that point, reminding us that Democrats have been calling Afghanistan the “good war” since at least 2004. But what good is hawkishness in a conflict that has no definitive military solution?

Hayden warns against the consequences, both military and political, of escalation:

The question is not simply a moral one, but whether the expanding war in Afghanistan and Pakistan, fueled by troop transfers from Iraq, is winnable, and in what sense?

Transferring an additional 20, 000 American troops from Iraq to Afghanistan, which Obama proposes, is symbolic, a step on the treadmill of escalation. The American troop level will be pushed to 58,000, in addition to 30,000 other foreign troops. Obama may be proposing an escalation simply in order not to lose, a pattern well-documented in Daniel Ellsberg’s history of the Vietnam War.

The questionable premise of the coming escalation is that military success must precede any political solution. “What we need are more troops in Afghanistan because we need security, and eventually we will get a strategy”, says a former Special Forces officer now with the think tank Center for a New American Security. [Dec. 23, 2008] But it could deepen the quagmire and turn more Afghans against Obama and the US as well.

[snip]

Since twists and turns seem to be the only pattern in divide-and-conquer strategies, it is possible that Obama thinks being tough towards Afghanistan and Pakistan is a defensive cover for withdrawing from Iraq, and he will follow up with unspecified diplomacy after he takes office. But history shows that creeping escalations create a momentum and constituency of their own. Obama might get lucky, lower the level of the visible wars, and embrace a diplomatic offensive. But North and South Waziristan could be his Bay of Pigs.

Hayden’s point about escalation taking on a momentum of its own merits reflection. We often hear debates across the blogosphere wherein one writer says that Obama’s intelligence and cunning will outweigh the risks of a questionable cabinet appointment or domestic policy. But with military escalation this argument holds even less water. As history shows, Kennedy and Johnson, despite all their inborn intelligence, let the momentum of Vietnam escalation sweep them up - Johnson, in fact, continued sending troops even after he privately acknowledged that the war was lost.

Obama must not make the same mistake: it could damage our credibility abroad even further, spill blood needlessly, and seriously limit his capacity to launch needed domestic initiatives.

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Tagged as: al qaeda, george bush, barack obama, rachel maddow, taliban, bob herbert, tom hayden, afghanistan war, lawrence wright


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How can he be 'swept up' in something he supported from the beginning???
Posted by: DCostello2 on Jan 8, 2009 10:03 AM   
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Obama has ALWAYS supported the war in Afghanistan and has ALWAYS supported sending MORE troops there. How can anyone possibly suggest he might get 'swept up'? What kind of irresponsible journalism is that? Oh yeah, the same kind that was banging the War Drums for Bush and Co about Iraq. Oh yeah, the same kind that is banging the War Drums for O-blah-blah and Co about Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan - for starters.

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HILLARIOUS! but not really...
Posted by: andrewstromotich on Jan 8, 2009 10:22 AM   
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Any time I pointed out on this site, the obvious fact that Obama was not the candidate so many believed him to be, that infact he supported the continuation of the occupation, that he looked to escalate the aggression in afghanistan, that he was clearly going to continue the relationship with israel of 'anything goes', I was called a republican troll.

Now we have Maddow trumpeting in when its way too late, and we have alternet posting the video when its way too late.

As i said repeatedly when criticizing Obama's positions during the campaign, the time to impact his platform was then, not after he has solidified his power and is looking towards pacifying the rightwing pundits in the next congessional election.

So many people said to me that Obama was just playing politics in order to get elected, that the true Obama, the maverick, the humanist, would be revealed once he beat McCain. All I can say is that is ridiculous. Obama told us exactly who he was, we just weren't listening. he stood in Jerusalem and called it the future undivided capital of Israel. He said he would continue to employ mercenaries. He said FISA was good. He said he would continue the ridiculous war on terror, following Obama into Pakistan (you know that nuclear player that just shook off the military dictator supported by the US).

All america saw was brand Obama, the black leader who plagerized other black leaders, borrowed from MLK and others without any of the experience of those leaders, and threw out the obvious for blind faith (kinda like how the religous right makes decisions, huh?)...

As an american producer I was working for last year pointed out, nobody could repackage the tired old american dream like Obama, which is why the powers that be chose him. If McCain was to continue with the garbage of the last eight years, America would be thrown into turmoil, but a highly stylized version of the same old crap, put forward by America's first black pres, could indeed fly, for a few years anyways.

America opted out of molding this leader by questioning and provoking change in his positions when they had the opportunity, instead they chose the simple-minded, old and tired cult of personality style of leaderdship, suspending disbelief in his words, and replacing rational thtought with faith. way to go America.

sorry if i sound pissed, but it was sooo obvious.

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What a shame that NATO...
Posted by: babs on Jan 8, 2009 1:09 PM   
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.... continues to fight America's war in Afghanistan when Bushco couldn't care less about it. That was the real front, but the Yanks, as usual, blew it - and left other countries to fight and welcome the body bags home for how many years? it's contemptible.

Obama is right - Afghanistan needs to be addressed but the media is putting both of your unreported and invisible wars on the back burner (or in the trash) and now has you all convinced that they are one and the same. Iraq does not equal Afghanistan. Duh!

Pity the poor soldiers fighting and dying in those American adventures for profit - you guys don't give two shits about them - they watch the news too and don't see themselves anywhere. Al Jazeera has more war coverage than all the U.S. media outlets combined.

but if it's not news about Britney or Jen or there's no entertainment component, or if the story might make even one person feel bad or uncomfortable, it doesn't make it to air or print. How juvenile and irresponsible can a country get?

The CIA created Al Qaeda and has Bin Laden on the payroll to this day. How did you guys manage to fall asleep that quickly? - it's only been 9 weeks since the election.

Obama has his work cut out for him alright. Trying to govern spoiled idiot children who can't remember what happened five minutes ago.

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Thanks for nothing, Obamabots.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jan 8, 2009 2:41 PM   
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Rachel Maddow states, "...messaging the meaning of the word combat", which is precisely what the Obama administration plans to do--drowning the US public in weasel words, no doubt--as was acknowledged recently by The New York Times: "...Military planners are now quietly acknowledging that many [troops] will stay behind as renamed 'trainers' and 'advisers' in what are effectively combat roles. In other words, they will still be engaged in combat just called something else."

So, Obama has no intention of honoring the "Status of Forces Agreement" which stipulates that all US troops will leave Iraq in 16 months.

Obama's commitment to war is underscored by his appointment of the Bush Administration's Defense Secretary, Robert Gates. Change? Try chump change.

So, no withdrawal from Iraq and an escalation of the fighting in Afghanistan is what we can expect from Obama.

The Associated Press writes, "...All told the US could nearly double its troop levels there to as many as 60,000, sending up to four combat brigades and and thousands of support forces within the next year."

So what was the point of the election? Obama promised to end the war in Iraq; nevertheless, he has no intention of doing so.

For months I listened to Obamabots bleat: "...We shouldn’t vote for the third party candidates who actually represent our deeply held values because (drum roll please) they can't win."

It should be obvious that the only reason a third party candidate "can't win" is because almost everyone who claims to be progressive votes for a Democrat instead.

This self-fulfilling prophecy comes courtesy of the same folks who apparently believe that holding a candlelight vigil might help end hate crimes; who believe that a giant rock concert might help end global warming; and who apparently believe that marching with giant puppets might help end a war.

Why is anyone still trusting the so-called "left" on anything given this dismal record of gullibility, delusion and denial? Thanks to their unwillingness to research the candidates and adherence to orthodoxy and "leftist" dogma, we now face four years of groveling before the Barry O'CultOfPersonality as he blatantly defecates on every effort toward peace and justice.

Obama exploits liberal denial, it's that simple. And once again, Americans take the bait condemn us to another four years of corrupt elite/military/corporate rule.

Thanks for nothing, Obamabots.

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Again, as long as we believe in the official 9/11 story, Afghanistan intervention makes sense.
Posted by: pfgetty on Jan 9, 2009 4:53 AM   
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As long as most Americans believe in the official 9/11 story, intervening in Afghanistan makes sense. If training camps are present in the hills between Pakistan and Afghanistan and they train people to attack the US like on 9/11, for most Americans it makes a lot of sense to remove the ruling bodies that allow this kind of activity. We cannot allow these same people that were responsible for our horrible attack to continue. It is an argument that is hard to beat, especially when it runs through most of the population that is still angry about 9/11.

Of course, the official story is BS. There were no attacks that came from people trained in Afghanistan. 9/11 was an inside job, planned by the Neocons according to their PNAC agenda. The official story is so full of holes, so ridiculous really, that if only the media would run some articles by those who have done the research on 9/11 truth, we would be rid of this fairy tale once and for all. And all of the things that came from 9/11, like the increased militarization of our society, the wars, the occupations, the threats against Iran, the brainless support for Israel's brutality, the Patriot Act, the tortures, the wiretapping, the loss of freedoms, the globlal hatred and fear of our nation, our huge national debt, and even our financial meltdown..............all of this could be finally understood and reversed and we could return to being a great nation with real goals, like spreading human rights and democracy and environmental care and education and all the rest that America was once known for and admired for.

But our media won't do its job. We know the mainstream media, completely controlled by the elites and corporate heads and the Israel Lobby and the Pentagon, cannot be relied on to tell us the truth of that fateful day.
But our alternative media should. In fact, that is its job........to fill in the gaps that the mainstream media has left us with. We are so propagandized by big media, but alternative media is there to correct the lies. But alternative media will not touch 9/11. Alternet will not touch 9/11. They will not tell us why. Have they never looked at the copious evidence, rock solid evidence, that the official story is a lie? Certainly they see the coverup...........that doesn't take much research at all. But just a cursory look at the major points of the 9/11 truth movement, and anyone could see there are hundreds of places where more investigation is needed, or at least bringing the information to the public. There are so many threads to follow that prove complicity by our leaders. If any of you haven't realized this, then get some of the books by David Ray Griffin. Go to www.911truth.org. Read the stuff by engineers and architects, like Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan and Richard Gage. But do some work and you will be convinced that 9/11 was the biggest con job in all history, the most depiccable false flag operation ever. We are so naive.

Alternet could turn it all around. It won't and won't tell us why. Instead it continues to chip away at issues that 9/11 brought us...........and we get no where. Nothing will change. Some things may decrease a bit under Obama, but not much, and the systems and propaganda are still there whenever our leaders need more imperial power to do more horror here and around the world.

Can we, just public citizens, do anything about it? Yes! Demand from our alternative media that they cover the lies, the filthy horrible lies, of 9/11.

If you like or hate what I have just said and want to discuss with me, my email is pfgetty@embarqmail.com

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Asked for a comment on the Afghanistan situation...
Posted by: wildbill on Jan 9, 2009 8:59 AM   
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...Captain Renault replied, "I'm shocked, shocked to find that a Euro-Western nation would want to go into a dry, dusty, Muslim country that it doesn't understand and try to change everything to suit its own standards!"

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Get out
Posted by: 876 on Jan 9, 2009 10:26 AM   
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There is no Osama Bin Laden. Afghans are not sacrificing their nation for some Arab foreigner or his political agenda. Stop your BS and propaganda and get out of peoples homelands. For thirty years American have used Afghanistan as their battleground now you dare to behave as if Afghanistan has done you wrong! There are not enough years in eternity for American terrorists to make right the suffering it has imposed of the Afghan people.

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AFGANISTAN - A GOOD PLACE TO HIDE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 10, 2009 9:04 AM   
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Alot like the gangsters in this country used to have summer houses in the Adirondacs and the Catskills when these we very remote locations. That's where they "laid low" when they were on the lamb. So al Quida mingles in among the civilians and in order to kill just one of them we have to wipe out 60 innocent civilians on the way to a wedding or funeral. The sacrifice to too great. We are creating the next generation of people who will hate us in ten years. Guaranteed war. There is no strategy for such an ill-defined mission. A surge is not the answer unless we have half a million soldiers. That's out of the question. But the local people can be bribed if they are well compensated and adequately protected. We can't pick their brains and then leave them to fend for themselves the way we did in Iraq. Sending our military seems cruel. They end up killing the wrong people and getting killed themselves. it's all senseless. By the way, getting help from the locals is not a new idea. The C.I.A. can run a genius operation if they're allowed. It's been done before. ANNA

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