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Religulous: Atheists Will Love Bill Maher's New Flick

Posted by DJK, Brave New Films at 12:39 PM on October 11, 2008.


Bill Maher questions religion's inherent contradictions in a new documentary.

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(Religulous – documentary – 101 min – directed by Larry Charles – starring Bill Maher)

Finally, a movie for my people! That's right, I'm an atheist. In fact, I'm so much of an atheist that I don't even like the term. I think the default setting for humans is to not be religious — I might as well call myself a non-snake handler, non-scientologist, or a non-branch Davidian.

But enough about me. Religulous, directed by Borat director Larry Charles, follows Bill Maher as he travels the world questioning religious "experts" and believers about the inherent contradictions and accepted silliness that makes up the bulk of the world's "organized" religions. Maher is not an atheist — he just accepts that he does not know the answers to life's big spiritual questions, and that anyone who claims to know with absolute certainty what God or Allah wants or what happens when we die must be doubted to the utmost. Pretty hard to argue with that.

Maher has been talking about religion for his entire comedic career. At times, the movie feels a bit like watching his stand up being performed to an audience of one, whether it be a Jew for Jesus, a Muslim cleric, or an evangelical senator. Which is not a bad thing — there are big laughs in Religulous as Maher boldly challenges the many illogical, violent, farcical beliefs that form the foundation of most religions. Unlike Borat, Religulous uses a lot of stock footage and clips to punctuate its jokes, while also adding a welcome dose of infotainment. For example, who knew that the story of Jesus — with its virgin birth, 12 disciples and resurrection — is a variation of a tale that had been circulating the Middle East and the Mediterranean for decades?

While Maher does more than his fair share of attacking and mocking, the believers in the film are the most effective in making a mockery of themselves. When you hear people speaking in tongues, declaring that humans coexisted peacefully with dinosaurs, or explaining how prayer can cure homosexuality, it's hard not to conclude that religion is simply an accepted form of mass insanity. And in several refreshing turns, religious officials admit that they are teaching illogical fantasy, that their institutions are rife with hypocrisy, and make fun of their religion's more fundamentalist sects.

Some may find Maher's manner to be condescending or overly aggressive, and sometimes it is. Maher has obviously spent a lot of time studying religion to find its weak points and inconsistencies, and he clearly enjoys confronting people about them. But while Maher can be quite pointed, he often just asks people questions so viewers can hear what these true believers have to say. And it's not that he's springing "gotcha" questions — is it wrong to ask a devout Christian if they really believe in talking snakes or how Jesus could be three people at once?

Religulous focuses mainly on Christianity, Islam, and occasionally on Judaism. Eastern religions like Buddhism and Taoism are excluded, which makes sense to me since I see those as being philosophies more than they are religions. And, unfortunately, the movie ends on a preachy, conspicuously unfunny note as Maher unloads his feelings on why religion is a danger to civilization and, combined with increasingly powerful weaponry, could potentially destroy the earth. I actually agree with much of this sentiment, but the tone and placement of this polemic ends a good movie on a sour note.

Still, Religulous is an entertaining, thought-provoking movie that even religious people will enjoy, especially if they’re able to get a laugh at their own expense. If they aren’t, well, that sort of proves the whole point Religulous and Bill Maher are trying to make.

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Jonathan Kim blogs under the name DJK. He is a Co-Producer at Brave New Films. He co-produces the Fox Attacks series and blogs for the bravenewfilms.org and foxattacks.com websites.


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Posted by: ajsz on Oct 11, 2008 9:12 PM   
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While I enjoyed the movie, and thought it was quite funny, I wish Maher had spent a little less time with the, shall we say, most fervent believers, (even as funny and scary as they were), and a little more time with the more rational subjects. It makes for a movie too easily dismissed as just a hatchet job. It is, I expect, preaching to the choir. Perhaps fence-sitters might be convinced to get off the fence, but any of the 'devout' set won't even see it, and will just spout off whatever they are told by Fox or Limbaugh or their pastor, etc. It's trying to be a comedy and a documentary, and is not completely successful at either. And yes, the end is heavy-handed (though not incorrect), but is inconsistant with the rest of the movie. I wish he'd let Francis Collins (Human Genome Project) speak some more, that he let Andrew Newberg (Why We Believe What We Believe) speak at all. That being said, I still recommend everyone go see it, and bring your favorite fundamentalist.

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» RE: bornagainatheist Posted by: patsy6
» RE: bornagainatheist Posted by: popsicle67
Tough call
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Oct 12, 2008 4:18 AM   
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I don't think it's cool to badger people about their beliefs or go around looking to poke holes in their belief systems, just so you can feel superior, or make movies. I think the recent wave of that started as an appropriate reaction to GWB & Co's crusade mentality, and then snowballed into a whole religion-bashing thing.

At the same time, I suppose I'm glad there's somebody out there pushing back against the constant encroachment of religion on our personal lives and state affairs. I think it's ridiculous that all candidates are obligated to describe their "prayer life" in detail, and that I have to say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays", or else be burned at the stake for killing Christmas.

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» RE: Tough call Posted by: helenahanbasquet
» RE: Tough call Posted by: Lilykins
» RE: Tough call Posted by: harryf200
» Not a tough call Posted by: bornxeyed
» Uh, no, part II Posted by: Fog
» RE: Uh, no, part II Posted by: harryf200
» ...a look at the logic ... Posted by: harryf200
» RE: ...a look at the logic ... Posted by: jroth420
» RE: ...a look at the logic ... Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Uh, no, part II Posted by: jroth420
» RE: Uh, no, part II Posted by: Joni50
» RE: Uh, no, part II Posted by: jroth420
» RE: Uh, no, part II Posted by: liz_imp
» Furthermore Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Furthermore?? Posted by: harryf200
» What are you talking about? Posted by: wireup
» RE: What are you talking about? Posted by: harryf200
» True enough but .... Posted by: harryf200
» RE: Tough call Posted by: Marlena
» RE: Tough call Posted by: mainspark
» RE: Tough call Posted by: blitzmesser
Polite Debate
Posted by: aogfc on Oct 12, 2008 4:59 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I think Maher was dead on with this film. Rational debate is wasted on most believers in any kind of effort to convince them of the ridiculousness of the ancient desert dogmas. Atheists have stood by for too long and let ourselves but diminished and insulted by the religious community to the point of where the first President Bush said that he did not consider an Atheist to be a citizen of the US. This film HAD to be made, he said what HAD to be said.. about time someone took on Religion in the public square without letting them getting bogged down with trying to be even handed... I have never seen a religious film that was even handed toward Atheism.
Cheers to Bill... well done... swing harder next time....

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» RE: Polite Debate Posted by: helenahanbasquet
» Polite Debate my ass Posted by: EinMD
» RE: Polite Debate my ass Posted by: aogfc
» RE: Polite Debate my ass Posted by: luckypuck
Pretty hard to argue with sexual assault.
Posted by: Lauren on Oct 12, 2008 9:50 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Maher is not an atheist — he just accepts that he does not know the answers to life's big spiritual questions, and that anyone who claims to know with absolute certainty what God or Allah wants or what happens when we die must be doubted to the utmost. Pretty hard to argue with that.

I hope he feels guilty.

We, Bill and I, argued all that here in the pages of AlterNet. Then he took it on the road to make some money. Isn't he on board as thinking rape was funny? Yes he is.

It is a small world dude, my family got your message LOUD AND CLEAR, rape the bitch. Your scorn was recieved in my home, literally. All around. I mean really, who are my kids and hubby going to listen to? Bill Maher or me?

I don't know what his handle here is, but I do remember arguing religion with him. This part clued me in for sure:

the movie ends on a preachy, conspicuously unfunny note as Maher unloads his feelings on why religion is a danger to civilization and, combined with increasingly powerful weaponry, could potentially destroy the earth.

Yup I recognized it. The tone and 'voice'. I got something for you Bill, She is a Catholic and heads up the NSA spying on little old me. I like the one with space in the middle to write the word TRAITOR or TERRORIST on it.

I felt like I was ripped off leaving the movie. Why'd I pay for that, he should have been paying me. It was my idea.

Bill and I have argued religion before but he has a comedy club, I am just a housewife. He is one of the people who didn't think I had a plan. Cynicism that left me with stitches and a very nasty attitude towards men who think rape is funny.

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» Oh good it's not just me Posted by: EinMD
» Lauren Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» RE: Pretty hard to argue with sexual assault. Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com
Be honest (you too Mr. Maher)...
Posted by: Knowmad on Oct 12, 2008 9:59 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I think if one wants to feel they believe in Atheism it's perfectly okay, if that's what seems right for them.

However, objectively, (I have no religious bias), and at the risk of becoming a target, I personally believe that there isn't anyone on the planet courageous enough to fully ascribe to and believe that their ultimate fate is truly final, and they are nevermore.

Think about it for 30 seconds before you respond. Really think about it: You - whatever that may be - gone...forever.

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» atheism is not a belief, Posted by: harryf200
» RE: atheism is not a belief, Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: atheism is not a belief, Posted by: harryf200
» You are DEAD WRONG!!! Posted by: wireup
» RE: You are DEAD WRONG!!! Posted by: harryf200
» What is a God? Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Hilarity... Posted by: Knowmad
» RE: Hilarity... Posted by: mike1997
» RE: Hilarity... Posted by: Knowmad
» RE: Hilarity... Posted by: bornxeyed
» And for the record Posted by: bornxeyed
» Everyone is Biased Posted by: mejsmith
» I know exactly who 'I' am ... Posted by: harryf200
» RE: Be honest (you too Mr. Maher)... Posted by: aalif ba ta tha
» It's a perpetual game... Posted by: Knowmad
» RE: It's a perpetual game... Posted by: bornxeyed
» You start with a false premise Posted by: bornxeyed
» Make that Posted by: walldodger1969
» Honesty Posted by: EinMD
» RE: Honesty Posted by: Knowmad
» Absolutely Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Honesty Posted by: realtruther
» RE: Be honest (you too Mr. Maher)... Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com
» Honesty, schmonesty Posted by: jmooney
To "believe" anything...
Posted by: loxias on Oct 12, 2008 6:33 PM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...is to refute the intellectual evolution of our species.
Healthy specimens learn, study, grasp, comprehend, perceive, and imagine.
Those that believe got a poor mix of genes.
Can't blame them, though.
Likely a lack of vitamin C in the womb.
Nevertheless, it serves to keep your eyes open.

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» RE: To "believe" anything... Posted by: Knowmad
» RE: To "believe" anything... Posted by: helenahanbasquet
» RE: To "believe" anything... Posted by: Lilykins
» Lily, you are my new God Posted by: wolfgangmo75
» RE: To "believe" anything... Posted by: harryf200
» RE: To "believe" anything... Posted by: harryf200
» RE: To "believe" anything... Posted by: Lilykins
» RE: To "believe" anything... Posted by: jroth420
Is it because comedy pays better that religion needs to be put down?
Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 13, 2008 12:44 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If effort counts for anything, I have spent considerable effort investigating religion to try to discover what is not susceptible to ridicule.

The problem with skepticism is that an honest skeptic would direct the same critique at himself. Must not a genuine skeptic be skeptical of skepticism?

That approaches what I have found cannot be ridiculed in honest religion. Authentic religion provides a discipline for the believer. So, sure, when the finger is pointed accusingly at others, we are likely to find a phony.

I do not share the belief of the Hindu ascetics who own nothing and beg for whatever they need to sustain themselves. However, I would be ashamed to ridicule them.

I don’t pay attention to Maher, so you will have to tell me if he ever gives evidence of any sense of shame. No, that’s not what is essential in religion. It’s just a part of what being human is all about, as when a laugh covers up an abuse.

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» Funny Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Funny Posted by: Knowmad
» RE: Funny Posted by: bornxeyed
» Comedy pays better? Posted by: EinMD
» RE: Comedy pays better? Posted by: harryf200
» Spot on! Posted by: harryf200
» HUh? Posted by: bornxeyed
» Amen! Posted by: bornxeyed
Is It Really Badgering?
Posted by: DR. LARRY MITCHELL on Oct 13, 2008 2:26 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
These religious types, and the churches and ministries they support, have been pushing their agenda in our face for years.

There is nothing wrong with asking questions, particularly of an accepted nonsense.

"Why do you believe what you believe?" If you walk it, talk it- reaffirm your belief structure.

If something doesn't make sense to you, well then- maybe it's time to go shopping for a new belief. In either instance, the individual on the barrel-end of the question has an opportunity to grow.

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The point he was trying to make
Posted by: krim on Oct 13, 2008 3:06 AM   
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is that there isn't any way that we can know for sure. Any religion, including atheism, implies that there is a right answer, and we simply won't know for sure until we die. The problem with religion is not that is gives people comfort or a sense of community, the problem is the right/wrong thing. I'm right, and you're going to hell. I'm right, and now I'm going to kill you.
Religions (all of them) have some beautiful messages of peace and love that we could all stand to apply to our everyday lives. I choose to believe in those messages.

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» RE: The point he was trying to make Posted by: helenahanbasquet
» Numbnuts Posted by: EinMD
» Here's how I see it.... Posted by: woodford54
Who knew (the Jesus story) was not original?
Posted by: rugger on Oct 13, 2008 4:02 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"For example, who knew that the story of Jesus — with its virgin birth, 12 disciples and resurrection — is a variation of a tale that had been circulating the Middle East and the Mediterranean for decades? "

Excuse me, I knew. Once you pull your head out from the brainwashing that we are inculcated since birth, it is obvious that the story of Jesus was a myth taken from various other world religions, something that the ancient Jews wanted to adopt for themselves.

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» Oh sorry. Posted by: bornxeyed
» OK, My Hand Is Up.... Posted by: woodford54
Don't tread on me
Posted by: Sophia4u on Oct 13, 2008 4:21 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Whether there is or is not a God is beside the point. What is important is that our beliefs support diversity rather than oppress it. Don't believe me? Then read your religious leaders thoughts. As in your original leaders and not the self-serving leaders we have today. Every major religion has a variation of the Golden Rule which amounts to treating people well. Christians, Muslims and others who do not follow their own doctrines in this are despicable and are our world's greatest danger.

Additionally, even without the Golden Rule common sense should enable any fundamentalist of any religion to question their own belief if they honestly feel their God is not powerful enough to protect them from the influences of things like gay marriage. When they protest gay marriage they are, in effect, saying Greg and Steve next door are more powerful forces in their life than is their Lord. I find this pathetic. Who'd want to follow such a weak Lord?

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» Excellent posting Posted by: wolfgangmo75
The Movie: A Mix Bag
Posted by: Godfather89 on Oct 13, 2008 4:44 AM   
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I am a Christian but I am an ignostic Christian at that. Ignostics are those who think the definition of God is to simplified and needs to be further expanded upon or just refined for our times. Nonetheless, the movie to me was a mixed bag.

It was Good, in that it showed the absolute stupidity and "simpleton" mentality in the religious world. This movie was more an attack on Fundamentalism than it was an attack on religion however.

It was Bad, in that most people look to the stupidity and latch on to the "simpleton" mentality when trying to explain religious topics.

So what this movie does is appear to make religion look bad. I don't think religion is bad, in and of itself but rather how it is used that can make religion look bad. If only their was a successful movie out their that cause as much controversy to piss off the other side of this religious debate. Perhaps, calling "atheism a religion" or something like that.

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» RE:Science = atheism Posted by: jimidee
» RE: Science = atheism Posted by: Godfather89
Bill Maher holds up a mirror to the religious.
Posted by: Deke on Oct 13, 2008 4:58 AM   
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If they don't like what they see in the reflection, that's not Maher's fault.

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It's simple.
Posted by: wolfgangmo75 on Oct 13, 2008 5:28 AM   
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Where belief exists, reason cannot. Where reason exists, belief does not.

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» BELIEF Posted by: woodford54
Decades?
Posted by: bornxeyed on Oct 13, 2008 5:42 AM   
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The story of Jesus is a variation of a tale that had been circulating the Middle East and the Mediterranean for decades?


Decades?

What millenia is this author in?

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» RE: Decades? Posted by: vade_dyset
» Not decades Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Not decades Posted by: truthfinder
» RE: Not decades Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Decades? Posted by: Meserve
» RE: Decades? Posted by: soulrebeljc
» RE: Decades? Posted by: jroth420
The Ignorant and the Intelligent
Posted by: curiousdwk on Oct 13, 2008 6:05 AM   
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The ignorant are dogmatically certain, while the intelligent are doubtful. Especially when it comes to religion.

However religion must be looked at more than just a belief system. To many people it is also a values system. And when their beliefs are attacked, they take it personally to feel that their values are being attacked. Instead of being told of the idiocy of their beliefs, they need to be shown that there is no connection between their beliefs and their values.

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So I wonder
Posted by: EinMD on Oct 13, 2008 6:14 AM   
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Does Maher count his death threats by the hundreds of thousands now? I know when PZ Meyers pierced a cracker people went fucking ballistic. I'm curious as to what's gone on with Maher

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Arrogance
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Oct 13, 2008 7:17 AM   
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Unless a person has dedicated themselves to the study of the world's religions, they have no right to denigrate them.

I have my religion, you have yours, or none at all. I do not make a national movement out of crushing your faith, or lack thereof. And so I presume I can expect the same courtesy.

Most atheists, in my humble opinion, are spiritually impoverished people who choose materialism and self-aggrandizement over the hard work and dedication involved in the recognition of our Creator. Some of them are as obnoxious as the Christian fundamentalists. Whatever you believe, or do not believe, should be a private matter. Stay out of my face with your scientific arguments and the old, tired crap about how religion causes all the problems in the world (which it doesn't - greed and the love of power cause them).

The atheism fad will die out, as all fads do. The world's great religions will endure, just as they have endured for thousands of years.

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Decades?
Posted by: heartcore on Oct 13, 2008 7:24 AM   
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[b]For example, who knew that the story of Jesus — with its virgin birth, 12 disciples and resurrection — is a variation of a tale that had been circulating the Middle East and the Mediterranean for decades?[/b]

Raises hand.

Not decades, millenia. The entire story is borrowed from other cultures. This was (and is known) by Christians all throughout history. Christian scholars have a number of theories to explain that which naturally, don't make sense at all. Zeitgeist has a take on it, but it's just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

Much info and other sources regarding this subject can be found here: http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com.

Also anyone who doubts the official Jesus story but can't dismiss it just yet,should get a copy of 'the Jesus Mysteries' written by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy. Eye opener is an understatement in relation to that title.

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» Jesus Mysteries Posted by: doorma
Christianity was originally a marketing ploy
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 13, 2008 7:54 AM   
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Paul, the real inventor of Christianity, saw a chance to merge 2 minority religions of the period: Judaism and Mithraism. He saw the possibilities of creating a religion that would ultimately become the religion of the Roman Empire-- certainly the work of a genius.

Many of the characteristics first applied to Jesus were originally attriputed to Mithra, with the advantage that, unlike Mithra, there appears to have actually been a real person. (Jesus is Greek for Joshua.)

Paul avoided talking about virgin birth to prevent criticism that he just lifted the whole thing from the story of Mithra. He carefully weaved the two religions to form one bigger religion where he could drop some of the more onerous elements from Judaism (such as dietary laws and circumcision) so that he could make converting much simpler.

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» Documentation? Read your bible! Posted by: ReallyBearish
» ''Religion is man made'' Posted by: donl51
To Believe or to Not Believe.
Posted by: Basenjis on Oct 13, 2008 8:47 AM   
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From Mark Twain, who did not believe:

"Man is a religious animal. Man is the only
religious animal. He is the only animal
that has the True Religion--several of them.
He is the only animal that loves his
neighbor as himself and cuts his throat
if his theology isn't straight."

From Mahatma Gandhi, who believed

"God does not have a religion."

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Is this good for atheism in this society?
Posted by: helenwheels on Oct 13, 2008 8:56 AM   
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And I have not seen it yet but I decided to wait for it on DVD. Why? Well, the reviews say it's not that good, and Maher is overly condescending and there's a lot of overkill.

Oh, I get that it's satisfying to see someone publicly denounce the more freakish of the bible-humpers, but I think it harms people's perception of atheists more than doing us any good. Are we bullies because we're atheists? The atheists I know are all big humanitarians.

I do realize it's a comedy and I am a comedy junkie. And, I probably will like parts of it. But to be all happy that an atheistic viewpoint is made in a whacky comedy excoriating the religious? How does this help the perception of atheists in our society? I'd venture to say it harms it.

I won't pan something I haven't seen, and I really like Maher's show and his humor (although I could do w/out the rampant misogyny) but from what I've read and friends' accounts, it appears that Maher just comes off as holier-than-thou (irony intended) and really, as an atheist, do you want to be represented this way?

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» RE: Atheist in Congress Posted by: jimidee
Frankly, I thought it was offensive
Posted by: pgj1949 on Oct 13, 2008 9:17 AM   
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I am an athiest who certainly didn't love this film. While some of the earlier scenes were funny, as the film went Mr. Maher seemed to become increasingly arrogant and disdainful of other people's religious beliefs.
Frankly, that totally turned me off. I thought he was quite disrespectful of people. (I've seen boys like him in zoos, taking a similar joy in taunting the animals.) While trying to demonstrate the superiority of his belief system, he managed to demonstrate the inferiority of his own sense of humanity.
Cynicism is not the same thing as wisdom.

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Awaiting an intelligent discussion ... perhaps in vain.
Posted by: goodsensecynic on Oct 13, 2008 9:31 AM   
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Today, CNN gave an open mike to some of the politician-preachers who'd been made to look like fools in Maher's film.

It was, of course, easy for Maher because most of the people he "interviewed" were either fools or selfish exploiters of other fools. Or maybe both. After all, one of the complainants said he'd been tricked into thinking he was in a PBS documentary. It's hard to be dumber than that.

But seriously folks, what's the fuss about? I know Americans are exceptional, especially in their tendency to embrace an uncritical and thoughtless "fundamentalist" evangelism.

I also understand that most American Christians (and many of their opponents) have no clue about the authentic history of their own churches and the content of their own churches' doctrines.

I suspect that, if they were to be quoted selected verses from their Bible, they'd either hopelessly misunderstand them, or crankily denounce them (just as they have famously and frequently called statements from the Declaration of Independence "un-American").

So, although I cannot agree with the previous comment that only those who have studied religion diligently and thoroughly have the right to criticize it (whatever happened to "free speech"?), I still await the day when both its supporters and detractors can approach the subject with a solid base of knowledge and, more importantly, a measure of good will.

Meanwhile, although Mr. Maher's film displayed an engaging (but sometimes sophomoric) sense of humour, it could not have done more than open the minds of a small number of people already on the verge of pitching their faiths into the compost heap of their personal histories. So, I fear that I will await a broad, rational and public discussion of religion in vain.

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Drop the ego and god dissapears!
Posted by: sirios on Oct 13, 2008 9:35 AM   
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Religions are an after the fact phenoenom. they are created by those who did not realize they are god, personal and impersonal when the leader,saint,teacher was alive. If the teacher was truly emersed in the essential experience then the chance for transmission from self to self is possible while in physical form. the mind will immediately co op this essential experience of self and then it is the job of the teacher to stop the search mechanism of mind and suggest being still and notice what the inquiry is appearing in, which is conciousness awake to itself without mental definition. Now, once the teacher drops the body, there is little or no transmission of this essential non relative experience available, so the mind being the controller and organizer of reativity starts to make up rules of behavior and conduct in hopes that the perfection of these instructions will end up in the experience that the teacher transmitted while in body. These rules quickly become tools of control for those seduced by power and it is all down hill from there. The atheist and the believer are left with a computer [mind] that does not have the program necessary to solve the problem of transforming relativity into absolute [relativity is appearing in absolute ,so no transforming is necessary] hence rejection by the atheist and acceptance by the believer of "i am not good enough, fix me". the subject of god leaves us with endless omissions, the experience of what god appears in subdues the questions. this little assessment should draw blasphemy from the believers and a big WTF from the atheists.

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» RE: Drop the ego and god dissapears! Posted by: louissepulvado@yahoo.com
And
Posted by: helenwheels on Oct 13, 2008 9:38 AM   
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I really hate the assumption "Atheists WILL LOVE.."

Huh? Talk about stereotyping.

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» RE: And Posted by: donl51
Condescending? Sure, but. . .
Posted by: Talon on Oct 13, 2008 9:51 AM   
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I'm just happy to see anyone take the delusional thinkers to task.
Personally, I'd be more blatant and nasty about it, and that's precisely why I am not the one doing it.
I support most attacks on the mass insanity that is religion.
Religion, if it must exist in any form, should be kept to oneself, private. Religion should not be forced upon the general public.
I, for one, am OK with merely dealing with reality. I'm an existentialist, btw.
Beware of religious fanatics, for where they are, soon heads will roll!

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why the anger?
Posted by: farge on Oct 13, 2008 9:54 AM   
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What's it like in America? Are there movies made by Christians who go around poking fun at Atheist scholars? If not (and I ask this with the hope of receiving a real answer - it's not a rhetorical question), what's gotten everyone so angry about this article? There is so much anger here towards anyone who's even SUSPECTED of being religious, even if they've said they're not. People are being burned (metaphorically) here just for disagreeing. How is any of this supposed to help anyone move forward on this?

I'm just going to put my hand up and say I'm a Christian. I believe in God, and I'm pretty sure my faith's a rational one - there's no way on earth I'm going to claim any intellectual superiority, but I've weighed up evidence on both sides and I'm convinced. Flame me if you want, but I'm here to discuss things rationally. You might as well know where I'm coming from, and I don't want to hide it.

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"religion is a danger to civilization..."
Posted by: jimidee on Oct 13, 2008 9:59 AM   
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"and, combined with increasingly powerful weaponry, could potentially destroy the earth."

Sour note to end a movie on? I would say that it is a major bummer, but true.

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Religion, like money, is a root of all evil
Posted by: bettyn on Oct 13, 2008 10:36 AM   
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We have as many religious kooks in this country as they do in the Middle East...and they're just as dangerous. I am so sick and tired of having been force-fed this garbage all my life that I can say right now, I am sick of it and it has made me a total nonbeliever. Growing up in the South for me was just utter misery because I HATED-ABSOLUTELY HATED-being forced to go the Sunday School and church every week to hear the garbage myths and lies that are a part of organized religion. It was always BS to me and still is.

Thank you, Bill, for making this movie.

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» How do you think I feel. Posted by: bornxeyed
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» RE: How do you think I feel. Posted by: bornxeyed
Poor picked on religious
Posted by: Edward George on Oct 13, 2008 10:52 AM   
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This is a tiny voice shouting in the wilderness. Sure it's shrill and exaggerated and should have been edited. That's what always happens with tiny voices with very few chances to be heard. They try to crowd too much in. I'm amazed it is really being shown in establishment theaters. Just look at the polls. An overwhelming percentage of Americans say they are religious, and that includes the countries political leaders. A minuscule number admit they are athiests.

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Maher's Attempt To Offend Falls Flat
Posted by: ScreenwriterThom on Oct 13, 2008 10:53 AM   
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I loved the movie and as an atheist agree with all of his arguments. I think from a cinematic perspective though, Larry Charles should have spent less time shooting Bill Maher's profile in close-up (most of the car driving scenes).

In my opinion we've collectively come to a point where the outrage is gone on this topic, at least among the Christians. Our expectations are that Christians will rise up, protest, boycott and hold candlelight prayer vigils (remember The Last Temptation of Christ?).

But the truth is they just don't care.

Instead, they're ignoring movies like Religulous or books like "Then Why Do I have Toenails?" and instead are trucking in busloads of students and church congregations to see Ben Stein's idiotic tripe or Mel Gibson's gratuitously violent Passion of the Christ.

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» Or Passion of the Christ Posted by: bornxeyed
Hey Bill, one question for ya...
Posted by: christee on Oct 13, 2008 11:41 AM   
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Ok two. 1. Who died and left you boss? 2. Why don't you grow some balls and (with all the money you make on this movie) and track down some truth on other topics like 9/11 and the corruption at the highest levels of the current administration?

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I'm one
Posted by: factbased on Oct 13, 2008 11:46 AM   
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of those people "courageous" enough to believe that when I die, I'm done. I have no faith. I believe things in proportion to the evidence supporting them. That's why I don't believe in god, an afterlife, thetans or jedis.

You should probably get out more if you've never met anyone that doesn't believe in an afterlife.

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Buddhism
Posted by: Roger Király on Oct 13, 2008 12:00 PM   
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Kim writes, "Eastern religions like Buddhism and Taoism are excluded, which makes sense to me since I see those as being philosophies more than they are religions."

Buddhism has a rich philosophical heritage and, as such, is very valuable. But, as seems inevitable, when people are involved philosophical tenets become transformed into doctrine. Hence you have the Yellow Hats against the Red Hats, poisoned Dalai Lamas, Buddhist "Masters" sexually exploiting members of the Sangha, practitioners of "crazy wisdom" punching people in the mouth and then hiding behind bodyguards, and so on. The examples are numerous and disturbing. To me, Buddhism as a religion seems just as stupid, exploitative, and dangerous as any other dogma.

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» RE: Buddhism Posted by: harryf200
» RE: Buddhism Posted by: Dboy
disappointed in the movie, but ...
Posted by: thealltheone on Oct 13, 2008 12:42 PM   
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I laughed, learned something new, like that Holy land place in Florida! OMG! (pun) that was just pathetic! But anyone taking this movie seriously should wake up, come on guys, it's Bill! It's entertainment! That is all! Not meant to be taken serious or literally, much like the bible, new or old. I do wish people would get off the virgin thing, it is also not meant to be defined as we (modern Americans)believe the word to be. It is just the closest translation from that time period, culture and language. The style of the movie is much like Borat. So stop getting offended. IT IS ENTERTAINMENT! I personally thought it made Bill look bad, and I really like the guy, but hey no one is perfect!

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Spiritual Suicide
Posted by: pnsuitec on Oct 13, 2008 1:16 PM   
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It is a tragedy that false religious doctrines, including the depiction of God as jealous, vengeful, and prone to violence, continue to stunt the spiritual growth of both believers and non-believers alike.

Atheists, however, should be warned that what they tell themselves will have much more impact on their lives than anything they will ever hear from someone else.

If, for instance, a person convinces himself that there is no God and no possibility of re-birth after death into God's Greater Kingdom, this thought process will install a set of subliminal instructions in the non-believer that will attempt to shut down his whole being at the termination of his mortal career.

By denying the existence of an "after life," the atheist effectively sets in motion a self-destructive internal program that, barring devine intervention, could cause the mind and soul of such a misguided individual to die simultaneously with his body.

I would, therefore, advise every atheist to, if nothing else, update his or her mental software to include the possibility of survival after death.

And I would encourage them to make a sincere request for God's guidance and deliverance from spiritual darkness. Ask and it shall be given.

There is so much to gain if you simply ask for God's help, and absolutely everything to lose if you don't.

Paul Howard Nicholas
Natural Light Information Service
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» Blargofageal Suicide Posted by: leafsong1
Stephen Roberts said it best...
Posted by: jroth420 on Oct 13, 2008 2:03 PM   
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“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”

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Allen
Posted by: pursah on Oct 13, 2008 2:11 PM   
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Essentiallly EVERYTHING is BELIEF, no matter WHAT one calls it. You BELIVE a wooden table is a solid object. In REALITY, at the subatomic level, that table is mostly empty space. Information that comes to you by way of your five senses is esentially ALL MADE UP.
It is ALL theory. "Exact science" is an oxymoron.

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» RE: Allen Posted by: sirios
» RE: Allen Posted by: bornxeyed
This movie!
Posted by: woodford54 on Oct 13, 2008 2:22 PM   
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I consider myself a very spiritual person, but I think that organized religion and religious zealots are just plain ridiculous and SILLY. This movie made me laugh so much and everyone in the theater was laughing and cheering,etc. I would like to have seen other religions brought into the discussions, but all in all I found it to be right on and absolutely accurate. But, it wasn't scary, and sometimes I think the films about the absurdity of organized religions need to be honest and accurate, but also need to point out how frightening this whole fundamentalist, fascist movement really is. Personally, I'd recommend Jesus Camp. That movie scared the hell out of me!

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» RE: This movie! Posted by: jroth420
» RE: This movie! Posted by: Dboy
Bill Maher on Jesus Camp, September 27, 2006.
Posted by: Lauren on Oct 13, 2008 2:52 PM   
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Bill Maher on Jesus Camp

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How to discredit yourself in one easy step
Posted by: truthlover on Oct 13, 2008 3:16 PM   
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I think the default setting for humans is to not be religious

What an astonishing assertion!

Based on what? Your ivory-tower fantasy?

Looking around the world, non-religious people/reductionist materialists are very hard to find. It's not just America - in fact, my guess would be that America is home to a large proportion of the world's reductionist materialists, the reason being that a lot of Americans are very comfortable thankyou.

I've met, and known of, a lot of Africans, and I have never come across an African who was not religous.

I've travelled in countries that were officially "atheist" and even there, atheism didn't take: as soon as the restrictions were lifted people flooded back to church/mosque/temples/whatever.

In western Europe, the area of the world where people care least about religion, there is a lot of interest in earth religions (paganism).

Primitive peoples always have some kind of shared spirtuality - shamanism, animism, ancestor reverence, combined with a belief in a creator.

Even when someone has no articulated set of religious beliefs, they usually expect to meet their deceased loved ones again, and have a sense that there's more to the world than meets the eye.

Since the author of this piece is so ill-informed about this glaringly obvious fact, you have to wonder about all the other statements.

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» In case you haven't noticed Posted by: bornxeyed
Why do people need to believe?
Posted by: wireup on Oct 13, 2008 3:16 PM   
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As someone who was born and raised an atheist, it has always puzzled me as to why anyone would need to believe in god.

Is it fear of the unknown?

Is it fear of death?

Is it fear that this life is all we have?

Is it something else?

Why?

I don't believe in the existence of god. I think the idea of "god" is manufactured by man.

The stories that surround god are utterly ridiculous. How can any thinking person (forget about those who don't think) take these absurd stories so seriously.

It's a puzzle!

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» "I blame the ego..." Posted by: harryf200
The word "Religion"
Posted by: moona on Oct 13, 2008 3:21 PM   
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The word "religion" means to rebind or to re-connect with the Creator of the world. All the major faiths known throughout history were founded by an exceptional figure who announced that he was the messenger from God for His time. The truth of His claim can be judged by the major influence He had on the society of his day. Abraham, Moses, Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Jesus, Mohammad, everyone of them predicted that, in the course of time another would follow them to continue the holy connection. and all of them also predicted that there would, someday, be a Great Teacher who would unite the followers of all religions. Now is that time! If you are a true seeker it is your own responsibility to investigate the claim of Baha'u'llah, the Founder of the Baha'i Faith that He is that great teacher who has brought true guidance for this troubled world. Listen to no-one! Go to www.bahai.org and read for yourself.

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» RE: The word "Religion" Posted by: bornxeyed
Evidence?
Posted by: factbased on Oct 13, 2008 6:21 PM   
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What was that evidence you found for the existence of god? Typically, the evidence given is old books or an authority figure. But sometimes it's a personal experience.

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What about Jewish Zionist Settlers?
Posted by: munchhausen on Oct 13, 2008 7:53 PM   
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While I applaud Bill Maher for going after the absurdity of religious fanatics he left out one particular group of crazies who are murdering Palestinians, destroying their homes, and stealing their land because they believe God gave it to them. The only Jewish person Maher interviews is an anti-zionist, which is very telling.

Why does Bill Maher completely avoid these criminal religious whackos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5OOGBRHq8A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrzxiQFgym8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0fM58jBYzY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0fM58jBYzY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQVgwkjSzEw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMA3baJa6tg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7mC8lInLU4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOGsrlp0KVo

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» Hey Zionists! Posted by: bornxeyed
» EXCELLENT! Posted by: realtruther
But But But I AM a religious fanatic!!
Posted by: Nightstallion on Oct 14, 2008 4:04 AM   
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I believe, you need a little comedy to get through life, Dante Aligheri produced a laugh or two but by and large his Comedy was not divine TO ME!

I believe it should be considered a felony to ram religions up ones soul without permission! If God is so inclined to perform that mind rape then let him apply it himself and leave humans out of it!

I believe J.C. was a fignewton of a fevered imagination lodged in a brain incapable of Orgasm. Impotency and Ultra-violence seem to go hand in hand a lot.

Yeshua Bin Yuseph Bar David on the other hand did try to wise up the marks to the: "Thou art God" concept 22 hundred years before Valentine Michael Smith. (face it christians you'd nail him again in a heart beat if he didn't agree with your take on him) He was not a really lovable or subserviant sort from all tales I have ever read.

In fact more than once he scared the be-Jesus out of his followers. And never no place little Christian Proselyte did he ever condone war or killing only your preacher does that!

Tell you what you guys leave religions alone and be responsible for your own rotten ass and let them try to make it without a herd to flock around with.

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Paul Bigioni
Posted by: Bigioni on Oct 14, 2008 6:24 AM   
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Bill Maher is a funny, intelligent guy, but it is way too easy to interview a bunch of fringy freaks and extrapolate from there that all religious people are nuts. What worries me is fundamentalism, as distinct from religion generally. Maher unwittingly displays a kind of fundamentalism - secular fundamentalism - which find religion intolerable. Tolerance is what we need - from religious and atheist alike.

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» the above comment is inappropriate Posted by: realtruther
http://www.alternet.org/rights/45138/
Posted by: Lauren on Oct 14, 2008 9:28 AM   
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There are readers who keep complaining about my posts. I cannot provide the history they seem to require, I would be happy to be interviewed, but that does not seem to be what they want.

I found another story I had linked in my email. So this is it:

http://www.alternet.org/rights/45138/

I have been at this for years, if anyone does not understand me by now... I figured it was just because they didn't want to. Yesterday we had another power failure that I believe was a way to stop me. I believe this because of what I wrote. Like a child learning my limits, I know what they won't let me tell you.

It is a very interesting pattern. Did you listen to Democracy Now this morning? 'They' spy on me.

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I have no problem with religion.....
Posted by: dollyrocker98 on Oct 15, 2008 9:44 AM   
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What I DO have a problem with is elected officials trying to make/pass laws that are based on personal religious beliefs. It's fine to think, believe and live as you wish. Those who happen to think, believe and live DIFFERENTLY deserve the same respect!

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Bill Maher is religiously and dogmatically devoted to the 9/11 Myth
Posted by: realtruther on Oct 16, 2008 6:37 AM   
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And if you ask him to explain how and why he believes ridiculous things like buildings self-imploding (WTC7) or totally disintegrating in seconds as a result of a plane crashing into the top an hour before, he simply gets angry and starts insulting you. That is true faith-based belief!

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Appearences my dear friends
Posted by: mike_burns on Oct 16, 2008 9:40 AM   
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"Those who believe in the ridiculous can be made to commit atrocities".
Voltaire
If you really look at it, religion is the cause of most evil in the world. The belief in God is a method of control. Those who believe in God find it easier to hate. When you are ignorant, religion fills the gaps in your intellect. Jews hate Arabs. Arabs hate Jews. Christians hate Arabs, sometimes Jews. Hindus hate Muslims. Muslims hate Hindus. Religion is there to give you the illusion that you are better than most people. It makes you feel like you are a profoundly changed person. In reality, you haven't changed at all. Your perceptions of your self has changed. You keep doing the same old evil things, while feeling good and righteous about yourself. At least an Atheist will have to deal with his own conscience. Oh yes, they do have a conscience. They don't have to have it delivered from on high.
Religion is good for making a person to press a button, that can kill millions, and feel good about. I would like to see the end of religion.
If religion practiced what they preached, there would be no more hunger or suffering in the world, but that is not what they are about. They are about making greater amounts of money, by building more and bigger churches.
They at least need to loose their tax exempt status, unless they really practice what they preach. Every church should have a soup kitchen, and a place for the homeless to sleep during the winter and hot summers.
I believe in truth. If God is truth, then I believe in God. To follow God, I must believe lies, then he is not God. I welcome the peace of nothingness.
Final point - Those who believe in divine justice, will not seek to bring justice to the world. Only we can bring justice to this world. Religion is the way very evil people at the top can continue to steal from the rest of us. They will be judged when they die? What a sad joke.

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