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Fox, CNN, CBS Reaction Groups: Obama Won

Posted by Sam Stein, Huffington Post at 9:02 PM on October 7, 2008.


Who won the debate? It's looking like a clean sweep for Obama.
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The insta-polls, which provide viewers with a somewhat skewed but important insight into how each candidate fared say, by and large, that Obama scored a victory in the second debate.



NBC's focus group of undecided Pennsylvania voters had the Illinois Democrat winning by roughly a 60-40 split. Frank Luntz's focus group, over at Fox, showed undecided voters leaning towards Obama because of his position on health care. CBS's focus group of independents had the Democratic nominee winning the debate at 39 percent to McCain's 27 percent, with 35 percent of the respondents saying it was a tie. Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, a Democratic polling firm, had a focus group of undecideds leaning to Obama by a margin of 42 percent to 24 percent.



Meanwhile, SurveyUSA interviewed 741 debate watchers in the state of Washington, 54 percent of whom thought Obama was the "clear winner" compared with McCain's 29 percent. That same polling firm had the first debate as a tie. In tonight's survey: 42 percent of respondents said McCain was too forceful.



And the CNN focus group of undecided voters in Ohio had the margin at an even wider spread: Obama 54 percent to McCain's 30.







A look at some of the specific issues that these Ohio voters valued suggest that they prefer the candidate who, at least on the surface, appears less on the attack. When Obama discussed health care as a right for all Americans, his numbers were through the roof. At one point, female respondents were dialing in at 100 percent approval. When he talked about using diplomacy in Darfur and pursuing Bin Laden in Pakistan, he again enjoyed strongly enthusiastic responses.


McCain had his moments too, mostly when he was discussing economic matters and propping up businesses to turn around the economy. His low points came when he was on the attack. On MSNBC, Nora O'Donnell charted how independent voters and Democrats soured on McCain when he said that figuring out Obama's tax policy was like nailing Jell-O to a wall.



How solid was the consensus that Obama scored better tonight? Even Bill Bennett, ever the Republican optimist, conceded that the Illinois Democrat scored higher marks.







"I confess I so much admire McCain, but I just don't think the campaign is equal to the story,' he said. "I just don't think it's equal to the man, it hasn't been. ... We needed a breakthrough, talking about the economy. I think he was a little better than last time, but he didn't break through enough, and he's behind. So it just wasn't good enough for McCain in terms of what it had to be."


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Sam Stein is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C.


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Wow.
Posted by: Quannah on Oct 7, 2008 10:33 PM   
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When even the FAUX NOOSE focus group thinks Obama won, THIS THING IS OVER.

The rats should be abandoning the sinking ship in 3... 2... 1...

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Could have been better
Posted by: Shey on Oct 8, 2008 3:47 AM   
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Obama seemed to be playing it really safe, which is why I think all the polls say he "won" (I am 100% for Obama/Biden)

People are terrified about economic issues and health care. Probably the major score for Obama was firmly asserting that in America, health care should be a "right", while McCain called it a "responsibility".
McCains plan for giving out $5,000.00 tax credits to each individual, then allowing them to go out into an "open market" of health insurance company's and purchasing coverage is so ludicrous (in addition to being the health insurance industry's wet dream), it speaks for itself.

Two debates now, and McCain has yet to utter the phrase "the middle class". Obama was wise to give him the rope to hang himself.

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» RE: Could have been better Posted by: Lauren
Lousy debate.
Posted by: manatthewindow on Oct 8, 2008 4:09 AM   
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As I watched the debate I gradually became aware of the fact that my head kept shaking, my toes were curling and my teeth were on edge.
Both of these candidates were absolutely feeble and McCain was even worse than Obama.

I honestly think that if a couple of mediocre drama students had been given five minutes to get into character and prepare for this performance they would each have emerged as better candidates for the presidency than these two fakes.

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» RE: Lousy debate? Posted by: zipper696
» RE: Not so Lousy debate. Posted by: gregii
The Winner Is:
Posted by: curiousdwk on Oct 8, 2008 6:02 AM   
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When two viewpoints are pitted against one another, in the final analysis the thing that will strike you the most, is not who was right or wrong, strong or weak, wise or foolish, etc... but who would go to the greatest lengths in considering the other's perspective.

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Bill (Rah rah) Bennett says..
Posted by: zipper696 on Oct 8, 2008 6:16 AM   
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quote:
"...I confess I so much admire McCain, but I just don't think the campaign is equal to the story,...."I just don't think it's equal to the man..."

The tortured logic here is that McCain, acting as an agent of his own campaign, did his own image a disservice by his own actions.

Erm....I don't know what to think when a GOP pusher like Bennett claims the candidate himself is not worthy of the campaign, except, perhaps (and God forbid)that McCain should step down and let The Alaskan Breeder have a run at bringing Funkymentalism into the Oval Office...

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» about Carvel Posted by: gregii
» say what??? Posted by: gregii
We Lose
Posted by: websmith on Oct 8, 2008 10:28 AM   
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Everything in this debate was old news.

Which ever one of these guys is elected, we will continue to borrow, spend, and give away. Our national debt will never be surpassed by any country in the future.

Both of these guys are offering major tax cuts. Tax cuts cost money and neither one of them has said how they're going to pay for them. Obama's tax increases on people making over $250K per year is not going to do it. This will lead to more borrowing and an increase in the national debt that will soon be $11 trillion, which will lead to inflation, which means we will all pay for the tax cuts. It doesn't matter if the tax cuts are for business or Citizens. We will pay.

This is business as usual at a time when our economy is collapsing. "Look", "my friends", this is total madness.

It's past time to stop doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results each time.

http://ewebsmith.com/self/StandUp.html

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» RE: We Win if Obama... Posted by: gregii
Change? How about some real change!
Posted by: Basenjis on Oct 8, 2008 12:25 PM   
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I heard nothing in last night's debate that I didn't already know. It does not seem to get better with repetition. I also did not hear what I most wanted to hear and that is that Obama back up his eloquent rhetoric for change by assuring us that he will bring home those exhausted troops out of Iraq as soon as it can be facilitated, stop trying to be the first invading nation in hundreds of years to leave Afghanistan with even a pretex of victory, and leave Pakistan to its own political fate.

After George Bush, Dick Cheney and their little conniving war-mongering friends have been given a fair trial and their just rewards for what they have put the country and their Middle East victims through, unindicted neocons can be left to weep for all the other small, defenceless nations they failed to conquer.

In the meanwhile we might count the nation's pennies and see what we have left to make things better for the earth's tortured environment and the long-suffering and neglected people here at home. To get to work building a new green and peaceful future right here on our own soil would certainly be a welcome change for everyone.

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Tobi Dragert, Los Angeles Area Impeachment Center
Posted by: Teedee on Oct 8, 2008 12:52 PM   
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Are we fed up yet with these blathering "debates" that answer no relevant questions at all?

For instance, how do these candidates feel about Bush's abuses of power? How do they feel about his putting U.S. troops on the ground in our country, ostensibly for "crowd control" (in case of ... what?), but actually poised for martial law? How do they feel about Bush suspending habeas corpus? About Bush breaking with the Geneva Convention, allowing (encouraging?) torture of political prisoners? On and on and on ....

We need to rise up and demand these candidates be asked and they answer these issues most vital to our democracy! email Bob Schieffer at ftn@cbsnews.com

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