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Bush: our intelligence agencies report that Iraq fuels terror so we have to stay the course in Iraq

Posted by Joshua Holland at 2:23 AM on September 27, 2006.


The administration's latest feeble spin on a hopeless situation.
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The correct conservative reaction to things like that leaked National Intelligence Estimate that says Iraq is fueling an increase in global terror is to deny reality. But the Bush administration is going in a different direction; they're taking the bull by the horns and releasing their own sections of the classified NIE.

Part of their more official leak is, again, a recitation of what we already know:

The Bush administration yesterday released portions of a classified intelligence estimate that says .... the war in Iraq has become a "cause celebre" for jihadists, breeding resentment of U.S. involvement in the Muslim world and drawing new adherents to the movement...

Reading that, you might think the administration is catching up to the reality-based community, no doubt to the chagrin of folks like Charles Krauthammer and Bill Kristol. But, you'd be wrong:

The jihadist movement is potentially limited by its ultra-conservative interpretation of Islam and could be slowed by democratic reforms in the Muslim world.

Just like Bush's democratization rhetoric! You know, the stuff that's never directed at Saudi Arabia, Egypt or any of the oil-producers in the Gulf.

But that's not all; here's the money quote, and the argument we'll hear from the right's echo chamber from now until the election:

In addition, it asserts that if jihadists are perceived to be defeated in Iraq, "fewer fighters would be inspired to carry on the fight."

Bingo! There's your justification for an indefinite occupation of Iraq: we have to stay the course until we achieve a "victory" that will so demoralize the "global jihadist movement" that they'll take their ball and go home.

The fatal flaw in this argument is that America lumps every Islamic political movement that opposes the occupation together and calls them "jihadists." There's the rub, because "victory" would mean, of course, a political victory, and in order to actually achieve political stability in Iraq some of those we've defined as jihadists would have to be involved in the country's governance.

What the intelligence analysis is saying -- and this is almost certainly true -- is that if Iraq were to end up with a pro-U.S., largely secular unity government without any influence from Iran, Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi army, the Badr Brigade or any of the dozen other Iraqi religious groups -- Shiite and Sunni -- that have opposed the U.S. presence -- if all of those elements were effectively wiped out -- it would be so demoralizing that Iraq would lose all of its potency as a recruiting tool.

But that particular scenario is never, ever, going to happen -- not in a million years. It's a Catch-22: aside from the fact that a legitimate government has almost zero chance of emerging under U.S. military occupation, if it did it would certainly require that a large chunk of the Iraqi opposition come into the political fold.

And as long as people like Sadr, who's been called a radical militant and a criminal by the U.S. for three years, have a seat at the table when U.S. troops leave, they'll make the claim that they defeated the Great Satan and they'll be hailed as heroes across the Islamic world. Their resistance will be seen as a model for opposing superpower bullying and that'll just create a thousand new recruiting posters for extremists everywhere.

It's a matter of when, not if. Because regardless of whether the U.S. leaves with its tail between its legs in ignominious defeat or manages to cobble together enough of a government that we can "declare victory and go home" -- regardless of whether we leave in six months or ten years -- the day after we get out of Dodge Muqtada al-Sadr, or someone like him, will face a crowd that looks just like this rally for Hezbollah last week:

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And he'll say something very much like what Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah told that crowd:

"No army in the world will be able to make us drop the weapons from our hands," Nasrallah said in his first public appearance since the start of the 34-day war with Israel that left Hezbollah's stronghold in southern Beirut in ruins.

He said that only the support of God had allowed Hezbollah to face down the strongest military force in the region and inflict heavy losses on the Israelis.

So Bush's fantasy "victory" -- the one that demoralizes all of political Islam -- is impossible by definition. Saying that we need to wait for it is perfectly circular reasoning; it means committing to more of the Bush Doctrine, more of the same policy mix that the intelligence community -- actually everyone who knows what they're talking about -- has concluded is throwing fuel on the fire of global terrorism.

And these are the "serious people" we're supposed to trust to defeat terror.

Digg!

Joshua Holland is a staff writer at Alternet and a regular contributor to The Gadflyer.


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So let me get this straight...
Posted by: HeroesAll on Sep 27, 2006 4:25 AM   
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...the war in Iraq is spawning new terrorists at a faster rate than the old ones are being killed. But continuing to kill them will somehow result, at some stage, in such a stunning defeat that they'll all be wiped out and anyone with any similar ideas will give up and become model proto-USians. And the stable democracy that the US is going to somehow establish in Iraq will be fair and representative and won't have anyone like Hamas and Hezbollah to cause trouble to the honest, god-fearing, democratic states that have now been properly chastened and come into the fold.

I want what they're on, because frankly we don't get that calibre of hallucinogens here. There's a point here that I'm not excited about, and I'll use the administrations biased framing language for the nonce.

Underlying all this desperate rhetoric is a rather sinister possibility, I think. They're acknowledging that the wholesale slaughter in Iraq is making more Iraqis, and more non-Iraqis, hate the US, yet the Bush admin. continues to claim that victory is possible by staying the course. They claim that they are able to produce a defeat so overwhelming that the jihadists will take their bat and ball and go home.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this imply some degree of genocide? How otherwise do they intend this overwhelming defeat to come about? How otherwise to convince any intending jihadists to give up fighting and take up macrame? How, indeed, to even slow down the production of jihadists, and produce the overwhelming victory, other than with overwhelming force?

I'd love to hear you say that you think I'm crazy, Josh. I'd love to hear you point out the flaws here. I'd really love to hear you tell me why the 'Merkin people are too smart to fall for this crap. I really would.

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» RE: So let me get this straight... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Bush belives what he says... Posted by: ignition
The other argument coming from the echo chamber
Posted by: chaoslegs on Sep 27, 2006 9:42 AM   
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Is that we would have to face these enemies anyway, and by placing the focus in Iraq we keep it out of America.

What I would like to see is the US follow the rule of law. Treat people humanely and get our corporate led noses out of other countries business. If we could get the general populations support (or indifference) then we would be left with the global wackos, or as I like to call them the global Timothy McVeighs! Yes I know I am being overly simple in my argument.

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Stay the Course
Posted by: james2021 on Sep 27, 2006 9:54 AM   
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Shorthand for,

Continue to create terrorists, how else will the
Republicans stay in power, need to have something to scare the Population with.

So there will be no freedom or democracy in Iraq, just a method to insure new martyrs to Islam. The the various groups continue to kill each other. Wait for an opportunity to attack Iran, and ensure a continued OIL supply for US oil corporations.

Continue making the arms merchants rich, Halliburton and the others war proffiters rich, and Republicans in general rich.

Must maintain a contstant state of War, its good for business.

Welcome to America.

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Nothing sharper than a crayon for Bush.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 27, 2006 11:26 AM   
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The Idiot in Chief has F.U.B.A.R'ed in Iraq so completely that there IS NO good way out. Extraction of our troops from that country is going to be painful no matter what we do, and every action we take is fraught with the possibility of inciting widespread war in the Middle East and a massive increase in terrorist activity.

History will record that George W. Bush has committed the greatest foreign relations, strategic and military blunder in the history of the world. (Even today, historians have to go back to the decimation of the Roman Army in Germania at around 4 A.D. to find anything close.) In the meantime, will somebody please, PLEASE, hide the "nuclear football" from him? God help us if he ever figures out how THAT works. . .

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CUT and RUN ON FREEDOM: GOP’S NEW PLAN
Posted by: cognitorex on Sep 27, 2006 7:10 PM   
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I was upset, fearful and angry reading the recent National Intelligence Estimate about increasing terrorism and the sad state of our international relations when I burst out laughing.

Jumping to mind was the neocon's perverted sales' pitch: "The terrorists hate us because they hate freedom."

What if that was true?

The GOP leadership we presently enjoy promotes secrecy, dishonesty, suspension of habeas corpus and other fundamental juridical rights; they promote wholesale wiretapping without warrants and suspending historical "Rules of War" agreements so that America can, on its whim, perform inhumane and degrading acts of torture on whomsoever we may choose to incarcerate.

One or two more stolen elections plus a new gaggle of lies from Dick, Condi et al and poof, our freedoms will be gone and the terrorists, seeing that their main reason to hate us has vanished, well. They’ll just go back to berating womenfolk for racy clothing.

It's a plan, you'all. It's a plan.

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(Those angry disappointed retired Generals do have our back, don't they?)

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It's simple: Bush works for the Jihadists 24/7
Posted by: Rune on Sep 27, 2006 8:18 PM   
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Nothing against the logic and insight of the article, but there is a simpler, more universal explanation for all this. The Bush foreign policy is dictated by the Jihadists. Bush says so himself. Civil rights? Sorry, gotta give 'em up or else the "enemy" will benefit. International human rights? Nope, can't obide them for fear "the enemy" will take advantage of them. Pay attention to domestic needs? Haven't got time because "the enemy" will surely overwhelm us if we do anything other than throw everything we've got in the direction of "the war on terror." Withdraw from a failed, stupid, illegal war? Not a chance! That might encourage "the enemy."

In general, everything the Bush adminstration does is determined by the enemy (i.e., some vague conception of some or all jihadists anywhere in the world). The only way Bush could be more subserviant to the will and ways of the jihadists would be if he swore an oath to use every resource at his disposal as president to rally and recruit jihadis the world over. And, given how secretive the Bush administration is and how loyally it serves the purposes of the jihadists even when every U.S. intelligence agency concludes that is exactly what is going on, one would be hard pressed to make the case that Bush has not secretly made just such an oath.

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What "Victory?"
Posted by: NonnyO on Sep 28, 2006 6:08 AM   
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Okay... granted, that if the Senate today votes for that idiotic piece of crap that makes torture "legal" and suspends habeas corpus, and provides retroactive immunity from prosecution for torturers and those who authorized torture (the House already approved that idiocy)....

Under the "old American" government, Bush's war in Iraq is/was:

1) Unconstitutional (war powers belong to Congress; the AUMF did NOT authorize Bush to start an illegal and unconstitutional war anywhere in the world). Ergo: Bush's war in Iraq is unconstitutional by the document our Founding Fathers wrote.

2) Illegal under the Geneva Conventions (he had UN permission to go into Afghanistan to get OBL, but wars of aggression are illegal under the Geneva Conventions which became part of the treaties the US Constitution says we must abide by, so Bush's war in Iraq is illegal - and a war crime under the Geneva Conventions which came about as a result of the judgment at Nuremberg).

3) Bush's "justifications" for his actions were ALL based on LIES, and then he LIED to cover up the original LIES (I'm sick and tired of hearing we were 'misled' into war - we were NOT "misled" - we were LIED to, repeatedly). LYING to Congress is grounds for IMPEACHMENT; remember?

HOW, pray tell, does an unconstitutional and illegal war based on LIES yield - by ANY stretch of the imagination - a "victory?" It doesn't matter how many people die or who "wins" militarily. It's still NOT a "victory."

Furthermore, it didn't take an expensive "secret" study to come to the conclusion that criminal acts which resulted in victims feeling 'terrorized' were on the increase since the invasion and occupation of Iraq. All anyone would have had to do is follow the "news" stories (the kind that were not part of official Pentagon or White House propaganda) - or read the blogs that tell any semblance of the truth about Bush's war in Iraq...! It's NOT a "secret!"

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Our Dilemma
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Sep 28, 2006 6:40 AM   
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Here is the problem as I see it. Victory in Iraq is impossible. If it ever was possible, then Bush squandered that opportunity early on. Bush has committed the United States to a disastrous course of action, which will only result in loss of American power, wealth and prestige in the world.

But the worse it gets the more the American people believe (with lots of prompting from the right) that we need the "strength" that is implied by the autocratic behavior of Bush and the Republicans. Even when people acknowledge that the war was a mistake, they think that we need the Republicans "now more than ever", to dig us out of the hole that they put us in. The problem (for America, not for the Republicans), is the only direction to dig is deeper.

Some prominent Democrats have played into this misperception by announcing that they would "do the war better." All Democrats and the honest Republicans who are left should declare the truth: the situation will only get worse the longer we stay in Iraq. There will be no victory. And we will owe the world an apology for ever electing George W. Bush and his cronies in the congress. I only pray that they can be stopped from controlling the elections.

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