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Updated: House committee passes Bush torture bill by one vote -- two Dems are absent

Posted by Joshua Holland at 7:06 AM on September 21, 2006.


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This morning the House Judiciary Committee voted on Bush's preferred torture bill -- everything done so far is retroactively legal, redefinition of the Geneva Conventions, secret evidence obtained by "coercive investigations" -- the whole nine yards.

First, the Committee voted down the bill, championed by that … by Duncan Hunter (R-CA), 20-17.

I wish I had more details about what happened next. As Reuters put it, "They then mustered absent members to eke out a 20-19 majority to send the bill to the House floor."

On the second go-around, Reps. Adam Schiff (D-CA) and Jeff Flake (R-AZ) offered an amendment that would have at least substituted the language in the McCain Torture Bill, but it was defeated 18-17. Fifteen Dems voted for it, as did two Republicans, but two Dems missed the vote on the amendment.

At first, I was filled with ire towards the two missing Dems -- who were apparently at a press conference about the Medicare drug bill -- but actually this was all procedural shenanigans that took place after they thought they had already killed the bill.

In the end the panel voted 20-19 to send the bill in its original form to the full House. This kind of crap is exactly why we need to get jokers like Duncan Hunter out of those chairmanships.

Update: commenter AngelaRoss caught some of the intrigue on C-Span:

Democrats did kill the quorum. On C-Span they showed Anthony Weiner calling for a quoroum and then all of the Members disappeared into the back room. But the Republicans on their own had the Members for a working quorum (1/3) so they could pass amendments on their own, and ultimately they had the Members for a reporting quorum (1/2), which was when they pulled their shenanigans and reported the bill contrary to the original vote.

When the R's have 23 Members and we have 17 Members in Committee, they can pretty much do whatever they want, but I was proud to watch the Democrats stay and fight. Besides, the two Democrats that missed that original Schiff Amendment vote were on their way back from the press conference but Chairman Sensenbrenner closed the vote contrary to the procedural tactics Dems tried to use to hold the vote open.

Digg!

Joshua Holland is a staff writer at Alternet and a regular contributor to The Gadflyer.


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Posted by: Kungfublood on Sep 21, 2006 8:39 AM   
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The only people that would vote for this bill are Evil Sadistic Debased Brigands,who are Perverted Madmen and Drunken Debased Cowards not fit to see another day outside prison.

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Son of a...
Posted by: Techubus on Sep 21, 2006 8:42 AM   
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.. So is this bill a sure thing before the full House or is there still a chance it gets knocked down?

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» RE: Son of a... Posted by: Joshua Holland
Where Was Steny Hoyer?
Posted by: NoPCZone on Sep 21, 2006 8:48 AM   
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Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't one of the most important jobs of the Whip making sure the members/votes are there come tally time? I am really getting tired of Democratic excuses for all of the nonsense on the Hill.

If you don't have the votes due to a procedural foul up, kill the quorum. That should be obvious to anyone with a functioning brain. The Republicans have steamrolled us for years now, but only because the Democrats have let them. It's time for the 'leadership' to start acting like it.

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» RE: Where Was Steny Hoyer? Posted by: AngelaRoss
» RE: Where Was Steny Hoyer? Posted by: NoPCZone
» A MUST READ! Posted by: Joshua Holland
It's the same old, same old Republican strategy.
Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 21, 2006 8:50 AM   
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First of all, you ask for what you do not expect to get. That way the bargaining process will give you more than you deserve.

Next turn the committees into a gang fight, so that the full House has to deal with something that hasn't a chance in the world in the US Senate, thereby throwing up so much garbage that has to be fought tooth and nail to distract from the real business at hand.

The Republicans are not only wrong, they are dangerous. What better evidence than this issue. But it puts Bush's mask of Big Daddy Protector out there to hide his fiendishness. They a compounded fiends.

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Both parties are the same.
Posted by: Reader11722 on Sep 21, 2006 9:47 AM   
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Governor Wallace was 100% correct, there's not a dime's worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats. These 'opposition' parties seem to agree on the big issues: More Illegals, More Spending, and More Wars. Not too mention, their lack of protection for the Constitution. Democrats have done nothing while we have lost our 1st Amendment rights (detained protestors, banned books like "America Deceived" from Amazon, and fired BYU physics professor Stephen Jones because he scientifically proved the WTC was brought down by explosives, specifically thermite.) Democrats sat by while we lost the 4th Amendment (warrant-less wire-taps). Democrats are not interested that we violate the entire Consitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and a false-flag operation known as 9/11.
It does not matter who wins in November, because we lose.
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» That book is utter garbage Posted by: Techubus
Authoritarian Followers...
Posted by: aussidawg on Sep 21, 2006 11:46 AM   
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is what John Dean calls the personality of those who follow their perceived leader or authority figure (Cheney in this case), regardless of how amoral that authority figure may be. In his book "Conservatives without Conscience", Mr. Dean states that most of the republicans (I assume Ron Paul, R.-Tx. voted against this bill), in the House fit this description.

It would appear his theory is right on target. How unfortunately sad for our country!!! If we don't clean house, literally, this November, we may as well rename the U.S.A. the U.F.S.A. or the United Fascist States of America.

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God da*!it...
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Sep 21, 2006 11:58 AM   
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...Son of a a b@#*h, no good for nothing Criminals! They don't deserve to walk around free... Is there no justice left in the world?!! Grrrrrr!

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Unbelievable
Posted by: Gregor on Sep 21, 2006 9:29 PM   
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Why take the "high" road in society? They have done studies after WWII and have found that with the German prisoners (those evil Nazi types) actually gave more information when treated well and "chatted" with by extreme "niceness" than they ever did when they were tortured. Truth. But yet these leaders of ours are all sharing a brain with a lemur. They cannot think or research or even depend on any analytical skills. We are doomed.

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Bush says he tortured a guy and found out about explosives in the WTC
Posted by: diggins on Sep 21, 2006 9:38 PM   
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Ex post facto laws are unconstitutional...
Posted by: objective on Sep 21, 2006 10:25 PM   
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Article I, Section 9 of the US Constitution forbids ex post facto laws."

All Bills being advanced in Congress will appear to retroactively legalize illegal acts that George W. Bush has taken while acting as president are prima facie unconstitutional.

Even if the Congress passes the Bill that Cheney wrote, their acts will remain illegal. The only difference will be that supporting Members of Congress will appear to reject the Constution they are sworn to "protect and defend," to implicate themselves in the cover up illegal acts.

Members of Congress voting in support of these bills demonstrate either a profound ignorance of, or deep disrespect for the US Constitution, and should be promptly removed from office.

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