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Greg Palast: Felipe Calderón's new best friend

Posted by Joshua Holland at 8:05 PM on July 7, 2006.


Reporter won't retract "Grand Theft Mexico."

Imagine for a moment that you're Felipe Calderón, a conservative trying to become the next president of Mexico, and you want to rig the election. To pull off your plan, you need a list of Mexican voters.

Here's a simple question: would you want an accurate list of all registered voters that's kept up-to-date by the federal election authorities, or would you want an old list from your buddy George W. Bush that's at least 6 million voters short?

I know which one I'd want, but Greg Palast thinks it's a toss-up.

Three times this week Palast has insinuated that ChoicePoint, Inc. -- the company that he made infamous for removing tens of thousands of Democrats from Florida's voter rolls in 2000 -- may have had a hand in the Mexican election.

He needs ChoicePoint in the mix because it's the only thread that can connect Bush to the Mexican vote. Yesterday, Palast wrote:

I noted that the Bush Administration, under the guise of a secret War on Terror contract, hired ChoicePoint Inc. to filch the voter and citizen files of Mexico... Were the Mexican rolls "scrubbed" with Dubya's help?

The answer is: No; Calderón had no use for voter data from Dubya.

Because what Palast's not telling his readers is that the ChoicePoint story is over three years old. It made a sensation when it was reported in April of 2003. In November of that year, the AP explained that the firm "assembled a database containing the personal information of 65 million voting-age Mexican citizens, information which the U.S. government purchased."

But during the three and a half years since then, voters have moved, new voters have registered and others have died. During the 2006 election there were 71 million registered voters in Mexico (and the 65 million in ChoicePoint's database weren't even registered voters -- they were citizens of voting-age).

Palast wants to make the Bush connection stick so he writes , disingenuously, that his "news team" reports "that operatives of [Calderón's party] had access to voter files that are supposed to be the sole property of the nation's electoral commission."

That's true, they're the sole property of the Federal Election Institute (IFE), but all of the parties have access to the info. El Universal reports: "Although the parties are allowed access to the voter rolls - known in Mexico as the "padrón" - they are forbidden to use them for campaign purposes." Chuck Collins, a scholar with the Institute for Policy Studies who's been helping AlterNet cover the election, told me that Calderón's party "and all the other parties had the voter lists. That's not news. PAN broke the rules by putting the info on their internal web site for their organizers to use."

I've been going back-and-forth with Palast the last couple of days, trying to get him to retract some of his "reporting" so I wouldn't have to write this. At one point, he wrote: "I don't have the answers to all questions and so state in my article. (Indeed you stretch my findings beyond what I clearly say)." It's a fair point; he never says explicitly that Bush was fixing the election with his three year-old voter list. But the title of the piece is "Stealing Mexico," and the first line is: "George Bush's operatives have plans to jigger with the upcoming elections." Ok, it wasn't a fair point.

I also have to note that Palast has been proven dead wrong with essentially the exact same story in the past. In August of 2004, Palast predicted, confidently, that the ChoicePoint data was going to be used to fix Venezuela's recall election:

[Hugo] Chavez is expected to win this coming Sunday's recall vote. That is, if the elections are free and fair.

They won't be. Some months ago, a little birdie faxed to me what appeared to be … a contract between John Ashcroft's Justice Department and a company called ChoicePoint, Inc., of Atlanta.

He used the same kind of dark insinuation in that piece, writing: "Chavez' recall organizers… claim to be armed with computer lists of the registered. How did they get those lists?" It's a valid question, so I put it to Mark Weisbrot, a Latin America expert at the Center for Economic Policy and Research. He said: "my memory is that [the opposition] compiled it themselves."

Chavez, of course, beat the recall with millions of votes to spare in a vote the Carter Center certified as "free and fair." D'oh!

Now, believe it or not, that's not what I asked Palast to retract. After all, it may be silly to connect an old story about ChoicePoint with the 2006 election, but it's factually correct that the company made a list and that Calderón was accused of using some voter data improperly.

I asked him to retract his Guardian post, "Grand Theft Mexico," which hangs entirely on a claim that's simply false.

Here's the heart of it:

As in Florida in 2000, and as in Ohio in 2004, the exit polls show the voters voted for the progressive candidate. The race is "officially" too close to call. But they will call it - after they steal it.

Reuters reports that, as of 8pm eastern time, as voting concluded in Mexico, exit polls showed Andrés Manuel López Obrador of the "leftwing" party of the Democratic Revolution (PRD) leading in exit polls over Felipe Calderón of the ruling conservative National Action party (PAN).

He explains the significance:

We've said again and again: exit polls tell us how voters say they voted, but the voters can't tell pollsters whether their vote will be counted…

He adds that in the Ukraine, "the divergence of exit polls and official polls" led the Bush administration to refuse to recognize elections in 2004. He's right; it's a serious charge.

But here's the problem in this case: Reuters never reported that López Obrador was ahead in the exit polls. Reuters ran a story that evening titled: "Mexico election too close to call, which they amended an hour later to read: "Mexico election too close to call - exit polls."

That's because no independent exit polls showed a López Obrador lead on Sunday. Reuters reported: "With emotions running high, and reports of irregularities trickling in, most media groups declined to reveal the actual results of their polls. Only TV Azteca reported precise numbers, showing Mr. Calderon with a two-percentage-point lead -- within the poll's margin of error. The newspapers Reforma and El Universal and the TV network Televisa said only that the race was a tie."

Another exit poll, from GEA-ISA -- a firm that always had outlier polling showing Calderón up by suspicious margins leading up to the elections -- gave the conservative a 4-point lead over López Obrador.

So let's be clear: all of the independent exit polls -- Palast says "exit polls" or "the exit polls" four times -- showed either a dead heat or a slim Calderón lead, exactly what the official quick-count showed.

Now, did Greg Palast just make it up out of whole cloth? Almost; here's the Reuters report upon which he presumably bases the column (he didn't deny it when given the chance):

While the top election official said it was too close to call, left-wing candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said his party's exit polls showed he won by 500,000 votes ...

But his rival, Felipe Calderon of the ruling National Action Party, immediately shot back by saying independent exit polls showed him ahead ...

So López Obrador -- a candidate -- claimed that his own exit poll -- one private exit poll with no known methodology, no precise results, no known margin-of-error, no known sample size and no polling director we can call up to find out that stuff (campaigns keep internal polling data close to the chest) -- showed he was in the lead.

Such claims are, of course, standard operating procedure in a close race, and have nothing in common with the kind of discrepancies we saw in Florida, Ohio or the Ukraine -- where multiple independent polls diverged from the official results -- which is the central claim of the column. But Palast won't retract the piece.

Greg Palast is not at all happy I'm discussing these issues. In an E-mail, he wrote: "smearing a reporter as a 'conspiracy theorist' will always get a laugh. From the conspirators." (Isn't he a witty writer? Seriously, I still love Greg Palast.)

But the truth is, this nonsense about ChoicePoint's old, incomplete voter list and the exit polls that supposedly showed López Obrador in the lead only helps one person: Felipe Calderón.

Calderón's position right now is simple: it was a close race, but the election was perfect -- only conspiracy theorists are arguing otherwise -- and López Obrador should throw in the towel. By mixing fact and fiction, Palast just makes his case.

Yesterday's post on GregPalast.com is a great example. Palast raises some really important issues having to do with ballots discovered dumped in the trash and an undercount of presidential votes on ballots that had votes for Senators and Deputies -- an allegation made by credible observers that I pointed to yesterday. But he just had to throw ChoicePoint in there, and that makes what are serious charges look less credible. On Monday, the Washington Post dismissed Palast as "a hyperbolic blogger on the Guardian website."

Greg Palast is jetting down to Mexico as I write this, and I wished him luck. I told him that I hoped he'd report out some good stories, but I also asked him to kindly stick to the facts. They're all we need; as Stephen Colbert says: "the facts have a liberal bias."

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Joshua Holland is a staff writer at Alternet and a regular contributor to The Gadflyer.


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I think you are right, Josh
Posted by: four_legs_good_two_legs_bad on Jul 7, 2006 2:27 PM   
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Palast's reporting here was indeed sloppy. No doubt about it. You are correct. You really nailed down where Palast's reporting was less than perfect. Good job!

However, mainstream reporting in papers like NYT and WaPo is also just as sloppy with respect to how they assume certain things, about they draw upon a conventional wisdom, about how they ignore examples that would defeat their point of view, about how they regurgitate lies from whatever administration is in power.In areas like immigration, trade, social welfare and taxation in America as compared to other nations, the military industrial complex; in all these areas the mainstream media reporting is profoundly hypocritical and deficient. Yet you concentrate on palast. Interesting.

You seem to want to hold palast to a higher standard than mainstream newspapers with much more resources. I have seen this thread in your writing quite a bit, not just in hte way you have "taken palast" in your recent columns, but also in the way you alertly attack anything that smells of what you call "conspiracy theorist."

I think you have quite a future ahead of you. You certainly know where the big money is and what the big money wants. Congratulations!

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» RE: I think you are right, Josh Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: I think you are right, Josh Posted by: willymack
OK...
Posted by: esoder on Jul 7, 2006 2:36 PM   
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If Palast is wrong, how did the conservative candidate steal the election? ;-)

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» RE: OK... Posted by: Joshua Holland
Cheers
Posted by: kryptx on Jul 7, 2006 2:58 PM   
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As much as I disagree with your opinions, I have an immense amount of respect for you because you reveal through stories like this that being honest is more important to you than winning. Too many political wackos (a sadly high proportion of whom are actually in a political office) reject that notion in favor of always opposing their enemies even if their enemies are playing fair.

I'm not saying that the elections were clean because I don't know any better than you (or, for that matter, Greg) -- this comment is solely about you and your clear goal of honest assessments in contradistinction to many people (and not just Greg -- there are people like this on both/all sides of most arguments).

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» RE: Cheers Posted by: Joshua Holland
All this makes me sad sad sad
Posted by: HeroesAll on Jul 7, 2006 4:06 PM   
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Leaving aside the tension of the election for a moment, it's very sad to see Palast making a flawed argument. I've admired Palast for a while, especially his tenacity, his thoroughness, and his diligence in reporting issues most other reporters won't even touch. I still admire him, though, since none of us is perfect.

And I'm impressed with you, Joshua, for pointing up the weak spots in one of your heroes. There's a very human tendency to look the other way when our heroes stumble, especially in these times of vicious and baseless attacks from the right. Kudos to you.

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??
Posted by: aurora2484 on Jul 7, 2006 4:31 PM   
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Not sure where you're going with this?

I mean, what are you hoping to achieve?

(I don't get it.)

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» RE: ?? Posted by: kryptx
» What Kryptx said (NT) Posted by: Joshua Holland
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» RE: What Kryptx said (NT) Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: What Kryptx said (NT) Posted by: aurora2484
» RE: What Kryptx said (NT) Posted by: Joshua Holland
» the Sith Posted by: aurora2484
» RE: What Kryptx said (NT) Posted by: kryptx
sad: only person defending Josh is his dad (?) John
Posted by: fairleft on Jul 7, 2006 8:24 PM   
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even though all Josh is doing is hammering inaccurate reporting. I am happy he is doing this for left journalists like Palast. In fact it is a service that pressures journalists to improve their standards and accuracy, and therefore their credibility and their readership, and it is exactly what the fourth estate is supposed to about.

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» time is of the essence Posted by: aurora2484
of course there were irregularities...
Posted by: AnaB on Jul 7, 2006 9:07 PM   
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There were irregularities reported before Palast came out with his articles but it is ridiculous to imagine that Mexican politicians would need help or tips from the US on how to rig an election. The irregularities reported were of a different kind. Maybe Palast is wrong about choicepoint but he's probably right about something being not right. Dick Morris was Calderon's political advisor right?
On the contrary to what many people think the Florida 2000 debacle looks like a page right out of the Mexican election playbook.

What I dont understand is how making Palast retract something you dont agree with will get us closer to the truth.

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Palast Blast~
Posted by: Peta de Aztlan on Jul 7, 2006 9:16 PM   
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This was kind of a surprise to me. Is the author saying Palast deliberately mislead people? Or lied by omission? Well he has been right before but I do not get the purpose fo the article. Over the details, the question is was the Mexican election rigged or not?!?

Peter S. Lopez
Email: sacranative@yahoo.com
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» RE: Palast Blast~ Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Palast Blast~ Posted by: dix
perfect
Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 8, 2006 4:55 AM   
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When Calderon says "the election was perfect" he is lying which indicates to me that if all votes were properly counted Calderon would lose otherwise there would be no point in him opposing a full recount.

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`smiling face
Posted by: ekipnrut on Jul 8, 2006 7:41 AM   
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....Holland makes a 'thorough' elaborate denunciation of
Palast's alleged journalistic crime, thereby at least impli-
edly acknowledging the legitimacy of the election. Ka-ching.
The issiue at least as represented by- Ka ching- Holland is
not whether the underlying substantive allegation is true..
but Rather :) whether a particular account of event sequence
is accurate in every detail. (Your receipt is in the bag Sir..
and thanks for shopping at Rove Mart)
THe fascists here had the motive...the means...and the
opportunity to improperly manipulate the election.
Perhaps Palast did not make a credible much less compelling case....so what.
On the other hand, it is certainly reasonable to hold the usual
fascist suspects as just that...suspect.

As some of the other posts have observed ,what is the point
of this 'fixation' with 'nuking' Palast even if he is in flat out
error.????? Ah yes....Ka ching.
I wonder if Holland will be as determined and implacable in
protesting the racist oppression of Black voters here with
Ohio and Georgia notable examples.

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The real damaging reporting from the left
Posted by: saywhat? on Jul 8, 2006 7:52 AM   
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came from the NYT...remember? judy, judy, judy...and look at bob woodward...this is much more of a concern than greg palast's "i bet ya" queries. investigation is not an exact science and i am soo glad palast is out there poking around....no one believed him when ohio 04 came about

i'm glad the 2nd piece was written because josh clarified his position and his concerns are fair, and as an 'american' i really have to do my own poking around to get some focus on the issues

still - when those aliens were on the asteriod the other day, ready to slam the planet, they just looked around and said "nah, they can blow them up all by themselves"...they saw judy, they saw their puppet strings working on cheney, the lobotomy obviousy proved effective on the president of the usa.... then they saw greg kicking up dirt, and the husband said to the wife, "honey, we better rearrange the sonars down there. some guy with an oldfashioned hat is nosing around."

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Palast Today ...
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Jul 8, 2006 10:01 AM   
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Before I posted the above, I brought all of these issues to Palast's attention. I sent him a lengthy e-mail on Wednesday, we had a few exchanges on Thursday and I posted on Friday.

Palast didn't refute anything I said. Instead, he explained that he had been proven right about ChoicePoint's involvement in Florida in 2000, and insisted that the ChoicePoint contract for Latin America that had been leaked to him (which was from 2001, BTW) was genuine, points that were not in dispute. Then he said "this is burning up my time" and that was that.

Today is Saturday. Knowing what you now know, and knowing this was all brought to Palast's attention on Wednesday, go read his column in today's Guardian.

A couple of Mexican readers take him to task in the comments, but most people (on the left) will accept his story at face value.

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» RE: Palast Today ... Posted by: ekipnrut
» The Fix is On!!!! Posted by: YinRising
» RE: The Fix is On!!!! Posted by: Joshua Holland
The Fix is On!!!!
Posted by: YinRising on Jul 8, 2006 11:24 AM   
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The Devils in the Details.

waiting for it to be traslated but in the meantime for english readers consider this...

To error is human, to really fuck things up requires a computer.

Remember, if it hadn't been for the populist uprising in response to the scandalous desafuero, we wouldn't even be talking about a possible election theft, because they would have already stolen it!

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Fact only matter to a point.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Jul 8, 2006 5:02 PM   
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Josh, the point is to expose the anti-democratic forces in control and win one for the little guy. Any way that can be done is acceptable.

Being to persnickety about "facts" is not promoting a winning agenda.

“All governments are run by liars and nothing they say should be believed.” I. F. Stone

Anyway, how about getting a hair style and some nice close. It is painfull looking at your picture.

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So Joshua, looking forward to where you weigh in on Jeb Bush
Posted by: xbj on Jul 9, 2006 3:43 AM   
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In Defense of Palast, Part 1
Posted by: Graeme on Jul 9, 2006 5:22 PM   
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Josh makes some good points here, but there are some other things to consider:

1) The fact that the Choicepoint data is old doesn’t necessarily mean Calderón didn’t use it. Indeed, as the Republicans showed in 2000 and 2004, old and outdated data is sometimes useful in “purging” unwanted voters from the rolls. Florida in particular used badly outdated data to prevent people who had recently moved from voting in their new districts. Calderón may have wanted to know where likely AMLO voters used to live, for instance, in an effort to challenge their votes in the current election. Palast asks whether the rolls were “scrubbed,” not whether they were completely up-to-date. Such lists take a long time to compile: a 91.5% (or so) complete potential voter list may be better than none at all.

Furthermore, the fact that the story is old doesn’t mean it isn’t worth noting that such an infamous company may just “happen” to be involved in a hotly-contested election in which the current American President (a past beneficiary of said company) clearly has a strong interest in one candidate winning. The fact that this candidate did indeed win (and is a member of a party which has in fact been known to misuse data), despite the exit polls’ predictions (see below), and in an election plagued by claims of inconsistencies and voting problems, makes this “coincidence” even more worthy of attention. In light of this, definitively concluding that Calderón “had no use” for the Choicepoint data is simply an unsupportable assumption.

2) That Palast’s warnings about Venezuela turned about to be unfounded doesn’t mean it was for lack of trying: the Venezuelan opposition has been known to be less than assiduous in its commitment to democracy if it gets in the way of unseating the extremely popular Chavez. With all due respect to Weisbrot, how exactly does he know where they got their data, even if we trust his “memory?” American intervention in Latin American politics is a well-established phenomenon, and it is likely at least that Bush is “interested” in both Venezuela and Mexico. That this might extend to Choicepoint (as it seems it does, in both cases) should hardly be a surprising thesis (and is certainly a “fair point”).

3) Finally, a note about exit polls: they are generally extremely accurate. Indeed they are so accurate that elections are often judged to be fair or unfair based on the degree to which exit polling matched the actual recorded results. As Michael Parenti points out in a very good recent article here, in the last three German national elections, exit polls were never off by more than 3/10ths of one percent with the actual results (prior to 2004, American exit polls were rarely off by more than 1%). The TV Azteca poll’s two-percentage-point AMLO lead may have been within the poll's margin of error, but for that to translate into a 0.6% win for Calderón is statistically very unlikely, if Mexico’s exit polling is as rigorous as it is elsewhere. Given that this was the only poll to actually give detailed numbers, I am somewhat suspicious about the others. Statistical ties (i.e., generally within 3%) may still have slightly favoured AMLO. I would like to see their data to see just what kind of discrepancy between their exit polls and the final numbers actually were. My guess is that a similar 2-2.5% shift towards Calderón is likely.

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Josh Holland's agenda is his career
Posted by: kenhymes on Jul 10, 2006 2:46 AM   
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It's becoming clear, by the tenacity with which Holland clings to this one story, that he is determined to become that most tedious and "useful" of Washington figures, the "sound liberal." There is no other reason to be so determined here.

The election in Mexico, like the latest national elections in the US, is a hopeless muddle, made more so by the use of electronic voting technology. In Mexico's case, the centralization of the count makes it all worse, and more suspect.

The larger issue Palast raises, as have many others in the US, is why we should trust people, reactionaries who have shown their willingness to bully and bend the law in matters of life and death, to play fair when the count is happening behind an electronic smoke screen. Have you heard the defenders of voting machines and centralized accounting defend their trade? They talk in circles, and always end up doing exactly what Holland accuses Palast of: conspiracy mongering.

Fine. Palast may be all wrong on this. But the truth is, no one including Holland can ever really know. And that's the problem. So please stop cretaing a non-issue out of one relatively obscure reporter's possible errors, and keep your eye on the ball. Democracy is in big trouble... what's your solution, Holland?

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a good career as a "tame liberal"
Posted by: four_legs_good_two_legs_bad on Jul 10, 2006 4:09 AM   
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Joshua is probably too young to even realize how the system really works. It is probably just monkey see, monkey do on his part.

That is really how the politics of America remains on course and continues to make American politics the lap dog of the rich--once they have the system in place, the new generations are trained automatically and are given no real choice in political philosophy. Joshua aspires to be a tame liberal because that is what he sees on TV--tame liberals.

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» RE: a good career as a "tame liberal" Posted by: Joshua Holland
Don't shoot the messenger
Posted by: daw13 on Jul 10, 2006 6:41 AM   
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I'm not crazy about some of Holland's editorializing either, but in this case he's doing Progressives a great service. WE are not THEM. We must care deeply about keeping our house in order. There is a thin line, sometimes, between journalism and activism. Palast can be formidable in both roles. But it is in his best interest as well as ours that we respectfully help him to maintain the separation.

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LeftCoastOldDog
Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive on Jul 10, 2006 10:09 AM   
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Joshua Holland..I think your some kind of NeoCon plant! Most of the commenters on this article have been sucked into kissing your feet like YOU ONLY know the truth. You attack Greg Palast like he wanted to date your daughter or wouldn't suck your cock. You worked very hard in this overly long article to discredit Palast and poo-poo'ed the “news” about ChoicePoint Inc. as a story that “is over three years old.”
The “fact” that ChoicePoint was involved in the Florida voter rolls scandal “ three years ago” doesn't mean they're now free of all bad things. I don't think the top management at ChoicePoint has changed. They were probably rewarded by the BushCo thugs for the fine job they did in Florida! “Now we have another job to do in Mexico.” No act of criminally messing with voting should ever be forgotten! ChoicePoint is forever covered with shit and it smells!
Repeatedly you attack Palast and reassure everyone that ChoicePoint is “OK”. This is extremely suspicious and smacks of NeoCon discrediting by repeatedly attacking the messenger and not the message. Sir...you are the SUSPECT ONE here!

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» You're. An. Idiot. (NT) Posted by: Joshua Holland
Wait a minute
Posted by: Techubus on Jul 10, 2006 11:35 AM   
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I'm seeing people attacking Josh for being a "sound liberal," "tame" and being a neocon plant simply because he is demanding that journalists stick to facts?

You people are full of shit. I have no use for 'journalism' of any stripe that makes unfounded claims and baseless assumptions without at least some credibility behind the claims. We shoot ourselves in the foot everytime we cheerlead a liberal blogger, regardless of what he is saying, just because he's on our side. That is the same crap we accuse the neocons of doing, to then turn around and defend our own spinners as anything else is the pinnacle of hypocrisy.

I'm glad to have someone that bothers to fact check things like this. His point in this article was spot on. The election may have been stolen or rigged, but if we rely on false information to try and make that case it will never stick. Even worse, that false info will likely overshadow any actual facts that could have made the case.

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» RE: Wait a minute Posted by: Graeme
This just in... Calderon's bro-in-law wrote voting machine software
Posted by: xbj on Jul 11, 2006 2:39 AM   
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Could it be ANY more obvious?

Mexican "election" hacked

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WHy do you give Bush so much credit?
Posted by: carybrief on Jul 12, 2006 10:18 AM   
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Bush has a huge reason for helping Calderone steal the election, just as he had a huge reason for stealing it here in the USA. If you stop listening to the propaganda and really listen to the facts they are clear. ballots boxes were stuffed, voter lists purged, 7 hour lines in the rain, machines not working in certain areas where the opposition was strong. It happened here, and this Government, the US government has a very, very long history of stealing elections for teir candidate. Any one who trusts Bush is a blind fool. Just today proves it. Novak admits Rove wasin on the Plame outing. Maybe he did not put out the initial leak to Novak, but he had something big to do with it - still against the law. We are in big trouble here.

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When Alternet readers don't want truth...
Posted by: bassman on Jul 12, 2006 7:37 PM   
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I have been reading this site for years on a daily basis. When Alternet readers stop caring whether the facts they are repeating are true, then the purpose of this website is over. Thank you, Josh. What you do is important. Should progressives hold themselves to a higher standard? Of course. One bad fact can take the focus off of a lot of truth.

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