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On Zarqawi and milestones and turning points

Posted by Joshua Holland at 9:45 AM on June 8, 2006.


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What will we do without Zarqawi? We can't fight a country, or a group or even an ideology -- we need a bad guy.

My prediction: some new thug will be elevated to brilliant and devious terrorist mastermind in the next month or two.

But, for the moment, I guess we should celebrate this as a turning point in the history of Iraq's entirely home-grown struggle for freedom.

Bush, today:

Bush said the killing of Zarqawi was a severe blow to al Qaeda and offered a chance for the Iraqi government to "turn the tide" in the struggle against the insurgency.

Where have I heard that before?

Oh yes, on May 22, after Iraq's new cabinet was formed:

"The main reason I've come today is to talk to you about a watershed event that took place this weekend in Iraq. . . . We have now reached a turning point in the struggle between freedom and terror."

And on May 4, after Iraq's factions agreed on a new Prime Minister:

"This new government represents a turning point in Iraq, a new chapter in our engagement there, and an opportunity for progress."

May 1:

"We believe this is a turning point for the Iraqi citizens, and it's a new chapter in our partnership."

April 23:

"The formation of this government is an important milestone toward our victory in Iraq."

Dec. 15, 2005, a few days before Parliamentary elections:

"And there's a lot of joy as far as I'm concerned in seeing the Iraqi people accomplish this major milestone in the march to democracy."

Dec. 12, 2005:

"There's still a lot of difficult work to be done in Iraq, but thanks to the courage of the Iraqi people, the year 2005 will be recorded as a turning point in the history of Iraq, the history of the Middle East, and the history of freedom.

Oct. 16, 2005, after Iraq adopted its new Constitution:

"So, again, I congratulate the Iraqi people. I thank you for meeting this milestone."

June 28, 2005:

"When the history of this period is written, the liberation of Afghanistan and the liberation of Iraq will be remembered as great turning points in the story of freedom."

April 12, 2005:

"The establishment of a free Iraq at the heart of the Middle East will be a crushing defeat to the forces of tyranny and terror, and a watershed event in the global democratic revolution."

Jan. 29, 2005, after the first Parliamentary elections:

"Tomorrow the world will witness a turning point in the history of Iraq, a milestone in the advance of freedom, and a crucial advance in the war on terror."

June 18, 2004:

"A turning point will come in less than two weeks. On June the 30th, full sovereignty will be transferred to the interim government. The Coalition Provisional Authority will cease to exist."

March 19, 2004, on the first anniversary of the invasion:

"Today, as Iraqis join the free peoples of the world, we mark a turning point for the Middle East and a crucial advance for human liberty."

July 23, 2003, after the formation of an interim government:

"Now that we have reached this important milestone, I urge the nations of the world to contribute, militarily and financially, towards fulfilling Security Council Resolution 1483's vision of a free and secure Iraq."

**Most quotes swiped from the Washington Post.

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Joshua Holland is a staff writer at Alternet and a regular contributor to The Gadflyer.


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Posted by: russianblue1 on Jun 8, 2006 10:15 AM   
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thesaurus???

Ever since this moron got into office with all his thugs, I am so not impressed with any education Yale and/or Harvard delivers. Someone needs to demand a refund.

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» RE: Can you say . . . Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Can you say . . . Posted by: RoffleTheWaffle
Two points...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 8, 2006 10:20 AM   
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First off... a Yale and Harvard education... as with all other education.. is only effective if you actually TRY and actually WANT to learn rather than just get through it as a technicality on your way to the success assured by being born into such a family.

Secondly... I've said it before, and I will say it again... We have had so many turning points because we are going in a circle... a downward spiral, actually.

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» RE: Two points... Posted by: mazel
Exactly ...
Posted by: ccbite on Jun 8, 2006 11:15 AM   
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Turning point, schmurning point. Four thousandth verse same as the first.

They killed a very bad man, no doubt, but the neo-con war machine is nothing more than a pimp and Zarqawi the prostitute. Now they have to find more whores for the TV viewing public to know and fear a la American Idol style.

Let's not forget that this illegal 'war on terror' is no different than the war on drugs -- it is a manufactured high school play put on by rutting, greedy seahags who, in their arrogant and sociopathic detached state use a chain saw instead of a scalpel to enrich their friends while innocents die. Such a fine line between a murderer and a decider who punishes the evil-doers. I ask again: what did Iraq have anything to do with the war on terror? Hmmm.

Knowing the doublespeak form of logic this band of thieves uses on a daily basis, I'm sure they could have killed him sooner if they wanted to but needed their 'ace in the hole' for political timing. Either that, or Zarqawi's CIA credit card was maxed out.

End of rant.

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» RE: xactly ... Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant
Turning points means we're going in a circle
Posted by: lamar on Jun 8, 2006 11:21 AM   
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You seem to imply that Bush is being less than honest. He's told us that there are many turning points, and it's clear we are going in circles. What's inconsistent about that?!

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We've run out of turning points...
Posted by: picaresque on Jun 8, 2006 11:30 AM   
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We've had the elections, we've decapitated the insurgency, and with Zarqawi dead, our work in Iraq should be done, right? Mission Accomplished, this time for real?

Please. Zarqawi was never the central problem in stabilizing Iraq. The problem has more to do with the longstanding history of Sunni control of Iraqi society, and the resultant Shia backlash. The problem is that, when we invaded, and quickly took Saddam out of the picture, we left a power vacuum, one that was exploited not merely by Zarqawi & al-Qaeda in Iraq, but by al-Sadr, by the Iranian government, and by so many other factions that it makes the head spin.

Don't get me wrong. Zarqawi's no prince, and I'm glad he's out of the picture. But this isn't going to make Iraq any safer for its people or for our troops. The quagmire didn't dry up overnight, and Iraq is still a country without an infrastructure.

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» RE: We've run out of turning points... Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant
Well, you can't say the milestone
Posted by: Mutternich on Jun 8, 2006 12:56 PM   
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...didn't make a spectacular plop. NPR news this morning was nothing but Zarqawi, Zarqawi, Zarqawi.

Makes me wonder if they're trying to distract us from anything in particular. Like maybe Haditha?

I once read somewhere concerning the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list -- don't know if it's true -- that they never put anyone on that list until they know exactly where to find him.

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Next?
Posted by: American Reflections on Jun 8, 2006 3:10 PM   
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There's at least a thousand new Zarqawi's waiting to take his place, but before they get started, if we have a breather here, shouldn't we get back to chasing down bin Laden?

Or is that just one of yesterday's excuses for invading Iraq?

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Just an aside, but did anyone notice
Posted by: Kelly on Jun 8, 2006 7:56 PM   
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That this man was supposedly taken out by a CLUSTER of daisy cutters? That body looks awfully unscathed from being blown apart by multiple 500lb bombs. He would have been hamburger and ashes after that. And why would our government NOT try to take him alive? This guy might know where O'l Osama is hanging out or other useful information. Instead they use his corpse as propaganda to sign up a new martyr squad? All this is just a tad convenient.

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» Not that I am an expert... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Not that I am an expert... Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant
Owned
Posted by: nbrown on Jun 8, 2006 9:26 PM   
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Great milestone. Throw it on the pile with the others.

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Puppets and Presidents
Posted by: Wildlander on Jun 9, 2006 12:12 AM   
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Bush's primitive mentality and lack of intellect is most apparent here in stating so openly that he thinks killing is the means to an end.

This chest pounding on TV is so totally primitive and juvenile. What an idiot. It is apparent now he did not win the presidency. He was put there. He does not have the competitency to be a president so daddy had to force the issue.

All he has done is piss of the oppostion. And they will replace this pawn with another in a matter of hours. There are a million of them waiting in line. They have a real sense of patriotism and soverignity. And that is something we have mostly lost in America because of Bush and his big daddy.

We all know our government is no longer serving the people but corporations. Even if some of us join the military, we do it out of financial need rather than any real sense of patriotism. It is a money driven corporate world in America and their world is one of true patriotism. It is called integrity and Bush daddy and corporate america (lower case intentional) has utterly destroyed that in America. Actually, as stated above, it wasn't George junior but his daddy that is the idiot. His son is just his puppet. (Remember the kind of puppets where you insert your hand up the puppets ass?) This is the reason we will lose in the end. Lack in respect and integrity by the American people for their own leaders and government.

Bush is just an asshole waiting for his moment to be filled. And usually, he relies on his daddy for that. Even with his daddy working him, he can't get it right. With comments like this, he just keeps putting it to himself.

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» RE: Puppets and Presidents Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant
And STILL-Not A Mention Of Osama Bin-Forgotten...
Posted by: Nez46 on Jun 9, 2006 3:29 AM   
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Everyone makes such a big deal outta this and once again, the American peoples memory is as short as the wing of a fruit fly. Ignore, divert, mislead, obfuscate, confuse....Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Hussein, Zarwhoee???
Sheesh, it's no wonder we're viewed by the rest of the world as a bunch of ignorant thugs.

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Remember the Hydra
Posted by: cynyk on Jun 9, 2006 5:23 AM   
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We must keep in mind that the Al Qaeda terrorist network is not a pyramidal organization. Like the mythological Greek Hydra, it has many heads. History has also shown the killing of insurgent leaders does not necessarily stem the violence. Michael Collins was assassinated in 1922 but the lethality of IRA-inspired terrorist acts increased geometrically over the next several decades.

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» RE: emember the Hydra Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant
TURNING POINT GLOBAL INTIFADA
Posted by: AlienSlave on Jun 9, 2006 6:43 AM   
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It would be nice to just remove one man and in effect change a culture. Remove Pat R. and no more Christians. Remove the President and no more American dream. The kindling point for a Global Intifada is very close. Most of the world hasn’t been indoctrinated from birth with consumerism and they just don’t lust for it like the USA. Listen to the voices coming from the East and you’ll understand why people followed this man and his death will not affect their culture or their distaste of the Democratically elected Terrorist leader you keep in power and rally behind your way of life or culture.
AlienSlave

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» RE: TURNING POINT GLOBAL INTIFADA Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant
Staying on message
Posted by: John Holland on Jun 9, 2006 6:57 AM   
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Hey, ya gotta give the guy credit-- he does know how to tow (and spout) the line.
Check out the tackiest headline on this story in today's NY Post. It's a front-page head shot of Zarqawi's bruised dead face with a thought bubble coming from his mouth that reads "WARM UP THE VIRGINS." You can see it at nypost.com.

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» RE: Staying on message Posted by: glitchsystem
Something Positive.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Jun 9, 2006 7:21 AM   
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When one is going in a circle aka "turning point," one can enjoy a different view, ah?

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I was thinking
Posted by: famouspipeliner on Jun 9, 2006 9:24 AM   
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I was wondering what end it served to kill Zarqawi and associates. If they knew where he was, wouldn't it have made sense to at least attempt to capture and interrogate him (and I don't mean torture)? I am also wondering why no one asked this question.

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This is the War that NEVER Ends...
Posted by: kenadrian on Jun 9, 2006 12:36 PM   
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There are no "turning points" in American foreign policy. This war, like the "war on drugs" before it and the "war in Vietnam" before that and the "war in Korea" before that, etc., etc., is nothing more than a CONTINUATION of American aggression designed to keep the wealthy rich, the poor in their place, and the rest of us in anxiety.

America in seeking to police the world has become police state to its own people and an aggressor to any foreign interest that defies it's business interests.

China will be its downfall. That's my prediction.

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» RE: This is the War that NEVER Ends... Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant
Memory Hole
Posted by: redjenny on Jun 9, 2006 1:55 PM   
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Most everything that happens goes down the mainstream media's memory hole never to see the light of day again. That's why Bush et al can get away with the incredible repetitiveness which.

For an interesting article with some background and context read Greg Palast's recent Article on how the thug Zarqawi was "invited" to Iraq.

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Get your war on
Posted by: Deidzoeb on Jun 9, 2006 11:16 PM   
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Get Your War On! David Rees covered this kind of territory in Dec 2005 when we "turned the corner" because of Iraqi parliamentary elections. "Dude, Iraq has seen more corners than a two-hundred-year-old hooker made out of Rubik's cubes!"
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/gywo.corners.gif

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» RE: Get your war on Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant
Eventually, he'll be right.
Posted by: mythbuster on Jun 11, 2006 12:15 PM   
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The thing about turning points: Eventually, Bush will be right. Of course, when Iraq is able to heal itself from our "liberation," I'm sure we'll take credit for it. Please recall: Our contracters slapped a coat on paint on some pre-existing schools and claimed that Iraqis could now go to school for the first time. Maybe they meant Afghanistan....But since Bush is in the credit-taking mood, I would like to thank him for turning a secular Iraq into a Shia-fundamentalist state. And thanks for destroying the Christian community in Iraq. And thanks for setting the stage for ethnic cleansing.....Thanks, George, thanks a lot.

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» RE: ventually, he'll be right. Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant