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Holy Subdivision!

Posted by Jan Frel at 12:00 AM on May 19, 2006.


Is the rise of Christian fundamentalism tied to birth of the suburbs?

There was a very interesting point raised in a Campus Progess interview conducted by Ben Adler with James Howard Kunstler (which Wiretap reprinted):

Adler: There have been studies that show the exurbs (far-flung suburbs), where mega-churches often serve as the main source of community, are trending very conservative politically. Do you see any connection between the rise in Christianist Fundamentalism and suburbanization?

Kunstler: I do think that the preoccupation with evangelical religion has, to some degree, been a substitute for the destruction of public life in general, which has followed the destruction of public space. And the thing that's ironic and sort of paradoxical about it is that the whole Christian Fundamentalist sector employs the methods of big box chain retail in order to do their thing...."

A corollary point to the rise of fundamentalism was raised in an inverview I did with former GOP strategist Kevin Phillips:

Frel: You say that the resurgence and religious fervor of the Pentecostals, fundamentalists and so on wouldn't be so extreme if they hadn't been kicked out of the public square in the in 1960s.

Phillips: I think that liberals in the '60s and '70s vastly underestimated the importance of religion to the average American. We've always been a religious country -- our bible sales have been just huge, historically. And the notion that there was a new secular era coming in which we could overlook that was a great mistake. There were attempts to get prayer out of the schools completely, take the Ten Commandments off the walls of buildings and so on. All of this mobilized millions of Americans to take up the cudgels for these religious issues."

A question emerges from these two points -- does the massive suburban Christian fundamentalist population exist because it was "kicked out" of the public square (literally) from American cities starting in the '60s? Is there a pattern of high-density secular urban residents who stayed?

Does ideolopolis theorist and Democratic poll analyst Ruy Teixeira have anything to say on this point?

Rolling off of those tracks, there was one other interesting point from the Kunstler interview:

Adler: For young progressives who want to slow the rate of global warming and want to strengthen American communities following the principles of new urbanism, it seems like such a colossal problem to tackle. What can our readers do on the local and national level to change this pattern of development?

Kunstler: ...We have a railroad system in America that the Bolivians would be ashamed of. There isn't one thing we could do in this country that would have a greater impact on our oil use than restoring the American rail system to something like a European level of service. It's something that we know how to do, the infrastructure is laying out there waiting to be fixed and re-used, and the Democrats are not even talking about it -- and I'm a registered Democrat -- and it ticks me off. I would like to see the politically progressive kids out there start militating to restore the American railroad system. The fact that we're not even talking about that shows me how un-serious we are."

I grew up in a L.A. suburb, and when I looked at this 1906 map of Los Angeles' commuter train system, I suppose it's fair to say I felt pretty damn militant. If someone asked me if I'd mind paying a one-cent sales tax to make trains suddenly appear all over San Francisco (where I live) or whatever other town I lived in, I'd have to say yes (I mean YES! OR ELSE). People in cities across America seem to have no difficulty paying sales taxes for stadiums.

Digg!

Jan Frel is an AlterNet staff writer.


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Suburbs can be taken away from the cons
Posted by: maxpayne on May 19, 2006 5:57 AM   
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Last year Tim Kaine won a lot of GOP strongholds in suburban VA even in VA Beach, home of the anti-christ Pat Robertson, even while GOP loser Jerry KILgore ran as a fundie one hot button issue after another. If anyone thinks that the cons are going to give suburbanites any reward for voting for them, they're sadly mistaken. Only the elite will ever get rewarded by these fundies.

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Wow
Posted by: Longdream on May 19, 2006 6:26 AM   
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Finally, somebody mentions without a hint of defeatism one of the most important factors that, coupled with sane rather than contradictory policies toward efficient vehicles, could lessen our dependence on foreign oil, help our environment, and link our communities across the country. Let us ride the rails again. Let us see each other's faces.

Saying that in public is sure to conjure someone who will stand on his hind legs and say that commuter rail travel went broke a long time ago, it isn't self-supporting, the rails are in disuse and too far gone to fix. If they're in government, what they really mean is, "It will take business from the airline industry, which pays us handsomely to keep its old, rickety machines flying until they don't." Their other secret reason may be, "Lessen dependence on oil?? And give up show business??"

There is no reason why rail travel can't be the beneficiary of the same kind of governmental help received by the airline industry--a large system of subsidies, tax preferences, and other forms of special treatment from Federal, state, and local spheres. Funding for the one train company we have left has been pared to the minimum over the years.

It isn't logical to me that in all the talk of what we need to do about gas prices--tighten our belts, car pool, do without, stop being hogs, buy new cars--nobody ever mentions a few demands on the rich cheats in government--like take the favorable tax treatment off SUV's and put it on hybrids, and get the trains rolling again.

I regularly ride the train that runs between Washington, New York and Boston, and it's a hassle-free way to travel. If it were easier to travel across the country by rail from more cities, stopping along the way at places other than the well-known hubs, people would see each other, local businesses would thrive, and maybe the mega-churches wouldn't be the only source of rural entertainment.

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» Urban commuter rail works... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: America too spread out Posted by: Longdream
Suburbs often are anti-community
Posted by: chaoslegs on May 19, 2006 7:55 AM   
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Many suburbs lack sidewalks and front porches. We have replaced the front porch with the back deck. Lacking sidewalks, people are most often in their cars, not interacting (except road rage) with their neighbors.

When I shovel my sidewalk or work in my front yard, I see neighbors from blocks away who are walking to the store or the bus stop. I don't know them, but I say hi. And I live in a relatively low density city, Minneapolis.

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Exurbs and far-flung suburbs...
Posted by: Jeffuary on May 19, 2006 8:43 AM   
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DO seem to be bastions of conservative Christianity. I know in my area of Orange County, CA, I see a TON of "Jesus Freaks". Most people my age (I'm 23) are VERY into religion around here, typically the Cavalry Chapels and Rock Ministries of the world. It is kind of a shock to me, as I spent the last 5 years in San Diego, where the under 25 demo trends very liberal (in contrast to the conservative older population down there). I never see people walking around here, and I never see people interacting. Everyone acts like they are afraid of one another around here, so it makes sense that megachurches fill in the social interaction needs of these people. Still, as an Atheist liberal, I feel somewhat like a fish out of water in these here parts.

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Suburban lament
Posted by: GuyIncognito on May 19, 2006 9:14 AM   
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I lived in Tokyo in 2003 and 2004, and when I came back home to Atlanta, I spent several weeks feeling trapped and depressed because it's just so hard to get anywhere around here without a car. A couple times, I stubbornly tried to run my errands on foot, but it's hard to walk to the supermarket nearest to my apartment without nearly getting run over. It's a two-minute trip by car and a dangerous twenty-minute trip on foot, many thanks to the total lack of crosswalks and the almost-lack of sidewalks. I miss trains so much. It's difficult for me to attend cultural events in Atlanta on the weeknights because I'd have to leave work early to sit in traffic long enough to get where I need to go for a reading or concert. In Tokyo, it was always so easy to predict when you'd arrive somewhere because the train trip took very nearly the same amount of time, every time.

The thing is, cities like Atlanta will never have effective train systems simply because of the way they've been designed -- or not designed, rather. There's just not enough population density to allow for a proper rail system. When I think of the distance between my apartment and the nearest train station, I realize that in a city like Tokyo or London, there'd be 3 or 4 other train stations within that distance to make it easy for people to walk or bike to the train. But here in Georgia, there are about 5 apartment complexes and 3 small housing developments within that distance -- that's just not enough residents to support more than one train station. And you see this played out all over the country -- people wanting more than one way to get to work or to the store, but no cost-effective way to put in mass transit that runs from swim/tennis community to strip mall to mega-mall to office park.

All that being said, I would love to see more rapid transit between large cities. The train between D.C., NYC, and Boston is an excellent example. Personally, I'd love to be able to hop on a train from Atlanta to Florida to see my in-laws instead of having to dodge trucks down I-75 for five hours.

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It isn't the urban design, necessarily
Posted by: Jesse on May 19, 2006 10:18 AM   
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One reason that suburbs tend to be more conservative is self-selection. That is, the kind of people who are likely to flee the innre cities for jobs and such will be wealthier and probably don't want to live in a diverse environment anyway. So you're preferentially going to have people to whom owning a home is important, and who would tend to see the world in terms of individuals.

There is also the preferential subsidies given to suburban living through road construction at the expense of rail.

Remmeber, New York City wasn't planned as a high density space, it is that way because of geography and concentration of jobs and reasons to be there.

In a similar vein. many of the suburbs existed because of good rail links in an era when most people didn't own a car.

TO get good rail now in lower-density cities isn't as daunting as all that. What you need to do is use the old right of ways that already exist there and are largely unused. Then you need to divert some money from road maintenance and construction. If the roads are bad enough, or not keeping pace, then people take the train.

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» Hmmm...a grand oversimplification Posted by: ABetterFuture
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mugglesva
Posted by: kenhymes on May 19, 2006 10:45 AM   
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I agree there's a connection between suburban development patterns and the forms which churches have taken. Please bear in mind that there is a lot of diversity among these churches in terms of theology and sense of mission. Some are truly frightening places, full of gay-bashing, millenarian paranoia, and self-congratulation. Others, even some whose theology this Christian finds inconsistent with the Gospels, are making themselves useful and nurturing to people in ways the civil society has opted out of.

The left, both secular and religious, ought to be building its own alternative institutions as it did in the 60's and 70's. Some of these ventures (such as coop and worker-owned businesses, clinics, local advocacy groups) are still up and running, but it has been a long time since their creation was a strong feature of the progressive movement.

When you leave "values" to the right, then the right increasingly defines them. The single most damaging trend since the 70's has been not the right's ability to organize fundamentalists at the grassroots (clearly a big problem), but rather the split in the left between churchgoers and atheists. We used to work together, now we have essentially halved our effectiveness by hurling names at each other.

It's a boring, predictable litany, but: MLK (Methodist), Dorothy Day and the Berrigans (Catholic), William Sloane Coffin (UCC), Gandhi (Hindu), the Sanctuary Movement in the 80's (Quakers and others), the Freedom Riders (a mix of Jews, non-believers, and Christians). Religious people have been at the forefront of successful progressive activity in the US for as far back as you care to look. It's easy to tear delicate alliances and coalitions apart, much harder to put them together.

The right has managed to ignore its own contradictions quite successfully, thank you. This doesn't make them honest, but it makes them very effective. Can we try and accept each other a little better, and get to know each other a little better?
It really is the key to turning back the right-wing tide in the US.

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Suburbs incubators for conservatism
Posted by: Moonray on May 19, 2006 11:03 AM   
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It’s not surprising that someone noticed the correlation between suburbs, churches and conservatism. Suburbs are the world's breeding grounds for materialists dedicated to greed, personal ambition and maintaining their position in society through political power.

People "flee" to the suburbs to get away from urban problems and the high taxes imposed to try to solve those problems.

Churches, of course, reflect the mindset of their congregations. Church leaders pretend to lead their flocks, but really stroke them and cater to them by reinforcing their beliefs in return for substantial financial support.

It's an old, old story that began when the first religion was invented by some shrewd cave man who found he could control his peers by inventing an invisible bogey-man and then offering to keep the "god" happy -- for a price.

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Hafiz
Posted by: fifthworld on May 19, 2006 6:00 PM   
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"Complaint is only possible while living in the suburbs of God" - Hafiz

THERE'S ONE TO CHEW ON!

I'm glad to see this article, very glad. I love Kunstler and his take on things. And I would say that the death throes of suburbanism may hopefully mean, at some point, if we make it, the rebirth of imagination and beauty. "Psyche", or soul, James Hillman likes to note, is only sustained by beauty. Meaning we must see through and bring down this whole gated psychology of fear and apathy to pool our collective powers of insurrection on other fronts that must be fought for human sanity and survival...

Thank you. Thank you.

You're beautiful! Look at you out there!

Thank you. It's great to be here. Thank you.

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They are toxic, man...
Posted by: Ahimsa on May 19, 2006 9:00 PM   
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In its current state, American suburbia is problematic, to say the least, in many aspects.
The landscape of utter homogeneity and hygiene, of socially engineered populations, of manicured lawns, of absolut lack of public space,of ubiquitous surveillance, of cookie cutter themed architecture of infinitesimal quality, of mindboggling sameness, unwalkable streets, and many other treats, affects the mind and emotions.
I bet there is a good piece of statistics that demonstrates that these communities are basically pill-popper ghettos, with parents and children suffering from chemical imbalances produced by depressions (I know that some people will say I said this backwards, but I mean it like this), caused by their sterile environments, both urban and architectural, at home and at work. The world of junkspace (R.Koolhaas) of fluorescent lights and conditioned air, stucco and drywall, irrigated glow-in-the-dark lawns, of Spanish Colonial, Etruscan or Mediterranean fake villas made out of cardboard, of repetition of the same 14 franchises that conform the 4 available malls, the curfews and prohibitions...If in this toxic culture of ours, people didn't run to hide in their churches, I guess that'd mean they don't have blood in their veins.
The problem is the scarcity of options. Urban centers have been hijacked by real estate speculators and their yuppie clients, by Giulianis and corporate hygienists. The city is dead and the suburbs lifeless, and that's how it is.

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» troika Posted by: particle
I forgot
Posted by: Ahimsa on May 19, 2006 9:03 PM   
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New Urbanism is merely a nice make over for more of the same. Only with more complex themes.
To hell with, for it only perpetuates the disease and changes only its form.
Thank you, Truman Show

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Egoistic individualism
Posted by: DaveB on May 21, 2006 8:55 AM   
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Egoistic individualism is a way to experience or understand existence.

Each of us is an individual, existing within the physical boundary of our bodies, but we are also members of a family, society, and species. No individual could come into being or survive without his/her connectedness to other humans and the natural world. But the myth of the individual focuses on the experience of individual identity to such a degree that the awareness of connectedness nearly disappears.

Belief in the eternal soul can be seen as the extension of the myth of the individual beyond the actual physical existence of our individual bodies. The body may perish but the ego survives. The entire mystery of existence is constructed and explained in a way that revolves around the primacy of egoistic individualism.

Leaving the city for a single-family home in a gated suburb designed around the automobile is in effect a denial of connectedness and an affirmation of individualism. As a strategy to deal with the fears and frustrations of life, some of us seek to retreat into a bubble of edited reality and individual control, and to erase from view that which is complex, inconvenient or otherwise discomfiting.

Suburbs may not exactly cause fundamentalist Christianity, but perhaps the two phenomena resonate with each other in way that is self-reinforcing.

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TV Leads to Suburbs
Posted by: TerryS on May 22, 2006 2:38 AM   
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Could it be that the rise of the suburbs
is tied to the birth of TV?

TV destroys social capital and leads to
an anomic society:

http://www.americanreview.us/putnmtv4.htm

New Urbanism attempt to recreate the types
of neighbourhoods found in high social
capital societies.

http://www.seo.harvard.edu/news/1997-11.html

But there is no point in encouraging squares
and housing closer together if people are spending
their evenings in front of the tube.

http://www.tvsmarter.com/documents/democracy.html

http://www.trashyourtv.com/node

http://www.whitedot.org

http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/

http://www.tvturnoff.org/


Remember TV = Soma

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