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Is France a nuclear wonderland?

Posted by Joshua Holland at 12:30 PM on May 2, 2006.


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There are lots of comments on "Bush's Nuclear Madness" over on the front page about how France is a model of successful nuclear energy. But it's not quite the shining example that nuclear proponents would have you believe.

It's true that nuclear power plants generate almost 80 percent of France's electricity, and that by and large the French public supports it.

But the French don't want a nuclear future any more than the American public does; a poll in 2002 found that 61 percent of French respondents "would prefer to phase out nuclear energy."

They support nuclear energy but want to phase it out in the future -- how do you explain that dichotomy?

Part of the answer is waste. Another poll, in 1999, found that seven out of ten French people "tended to 'distrust' nuclear-waste management, this response being similar to that observed in Germany, Spain, and the United Kingdom."

France has the same waste problems that we have. When Dick Cheney said in a speech that France was a model for how we could deal with our waste at Yucca Mountain, the Institute for Energy and Environmental Research answered with a press release:

"The facts regarding the French repository program contradict Vice-President Cheney," said Dr. Arjun Makhijani, president of IEER, who has written widely on nuclear waste issues. "France has no repository, and their siting program faces huge domestic opposition. The controversy that surrounds waste management is a thorn in the side of the French nuclear industry."

The French government's schedule for a repository, like the U.S. schedule, is far too rapid for a careful scientific investigation required for estimating repository performance over hundreds of thousands of years, according to IEER.

The French public's desire to phase out nuclear energy brings them in line with the rest of the industrialized world:

An incident in September 1999 at a nuclear power plant in Tokaimura, Japan, provided a sharp reminder of the risks involved. Considered to be the most dangerous nuclear accident since Chernobyl, the Tokaimura incident left one employee dead and eventually compelled the Japanese government to scale back its nuclear power plant construction program. And Japan is not an isolated example. New nuclear power plant construction programs around the globe have been reduced or eliminated entirely. In Europe, nuclear energy users such as Sweden and Germany are staging a gradual withdrawal. Given this general trend, the question remains whether France can afford to go against the tide.

But France's biggest problem with nuclear energy over the long haul is the opportunity costs; France is falling behind the rest of Europe in terms of investing in clean, renewable energy.

One final note. I would have much more faith in nuclear energy in a country like France, where free-markets are embraced but free market fundamentalism doesn't reign supreme. I don't trust the firms involved in this process and I don't want "efficiency" and the profit motive to trump safety. And that's always what happens in the U.S.

GET INVOLVED: I got an e-mail from Peggy Johnson, an activist trying to build a grass-roots movement against shipping of radioactive waste across our highways and biways. She says: "My organization, Citizen Alert has been fighting the issue of transporting nuclear waste across the country to our state for 31 years. It has been a hard fought battle. We have been frustrated by the fact that we in Nevada know about the problem and people around the world know about the problem, but people who live within a half mile from a proposed transport route know nothing."

If you want to get involved, you can reach her at pmj1@citizenalert.org

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Joshua Holland is a staff writer at Alternet and a regular contributor to The Gadflyer.


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I'll believe in nuclear energy...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on May 2, 2006 1:07 PM   
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.. the second they can actually safely take apart an entire nuclear plant rather than just decom it.

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Not liking it doesn't make it bad
Posted by: Jesse on May 2, 2006 1:11 PM   
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Just because the French public is interested in phasing out nuclear energy doesn't make the technology bad. Their waste problem is in many ways no worse than ours, and they do manage it a lot better, hands down.

After all, most Americans would probably support subsidizing gas to make it $1.50 a gallon but that doesn't make it a good idea.

Somehow, the French have managed to produce a lot of electricity with this and haven't had an accident. The second thing is that when you discuss clean energy, you need to offer up something that generates boatloads of it. Hydro power does well on that score, but the environmental costs of more dams and the physics of electricity itself limit how effective it would be. (The good locations for hydro dams are all basically taken and electricity can only be transmitted for so a certain distance before it no longer works).

I am all for developing renewable energy, but nuclear power may offer a temporary solution as we try to phase out oil and coal. While many homes could probably produce enough electricity with local plants (solar maybe) there are still too many places where you need industrial-strength production for industrial processes.

(Hydrogen is probably a nonstarter and photovoltaic sources are thus far too inefficient).

Also waste is both a bigger and smaller problem than people think. In many ways it is no worse than other industrial waste -- after all, the toxins from plastics don't have half-lives.

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» RE: Not liking it doesn't make it bad Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Nukes are coming. Posted by: medstudgeek
» What about Chicago? Posted by: djwriter
PREDATORY CORPORATISM AND NUCLEAR POWER
Posted by: cry0fan on May 2, 2006 3:37 PM   
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Well, that is almost a good point, Mr Joshua, and perhaps the first I have ever heard from you.

No doubt that predatory corporatism needs to be reined in. But to do that, the Left has to get the white majority back on its side. And that goes back to all the race-guilt issues I bring up here on Alternet, and the issue of jettisoning the Overclass PseudoLeft and refocusing the Left on populist economics instead of race, gender, privacy, environmentalism.

Besides, ALL power sources have their downside. Period. Nuclear has its, too. BUt we aint doing without power. Period.

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talk about flip-flopping! :)
Posted by: Benjaminsjw on May 3, 2006 12:50 AM   
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First they say France is bad because they don't want to join an illegal war, then they say France is actually good because they have lotsa nuclear power. What's next?
Before you know it they'll pick on the french again for eating snails and frog-legs :D

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Being French....
Posted by: The Butcher on May 3, 2006 2:01 AM   
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makes me an expert....TIC ( tongue in cheek)
Facts
Well into the 70's, France was addicted to Petrol... Then the oil shock!
Energy independence became the target!
By 2005, France was exporting $3 Billion worth of electricity to countries that refuse nuclear.....
The cost of production was reduced to 3c/kwh. Making it the cheapest in Europe....
Acceptability to the French populace? campaign for sacrosanct energetic independence, educate the public ( 6 million people have visited Nuclear plants), organize national debates on issues of safety, waste issues etc...Commit to ongoing R&D to address the issues.
Not a model by any means but at least not controlled by profit driven corporations, more of a national project with private partners.. a la NASA?
So the issue in the US is really about who should be driving Energy Policies. Bush is driven by Lobbies. Not a good start.
Nobody likes living in danger or potential danger.
Do not know the figs but just as it is possible to calculate the relative safety of flying Vs car, train walking, we might want to look at the comparative safety of NUKELAR energy Vs breathing in LA.
Finishing Note: last year was the first year that France actually imported less Petroleum ever.
How? not just nuclear but improving road infrastructure, improving mass transit, improving car efficiency. This in spite of increasing energy demands. So the issue is obviously infinitely more complex ..
For those who can read French, go www.liberation.com then Forums and you will read a healthy debate if uninformed about Nuclear issues.

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