....contact whom? It looks like the author didn't quite finish the article. Could just be my computer, but...

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So who's screwing with this site? Photos must be really bad. I thought I'd finish reading the piece before I went to see the pix. Now I want to know who's messing with the script?

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How nice. Not that any of this is news, and now they can claim it is old news and that nothing like this happens anymore (yeah, right).

Actually, I don't know what to say, it seems I'm all out of outrage, and none of the earlier outrage seems to have worked.

I don't blame who just hope America loses miserably in Iraq and hopefully through attacking Iran really gets it's ass kicked.

Seeing as how that entails further misery and the death of countless innocents, I don't wish for it, but it may just happen anyway.

Bin Laden might just get his wish, the USA might just end up turning into a shadow of its former self.

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I also tire of feeling outrage over & over again; but those who cause it, THEY never tire of exploiting our out-of-outrage safety button... by pushing it as many times as they can. Maybe not consciously, but who'd contend that these tireless causers of outrage after outrage have an acceptable level of consciousness, a reasonable amount of common sense? I'd contend that these serial outragers share a state of unconsciousness, or mass-delusion. Criminally insane would be my diagnosis, considering this latest outrage on the endless list of outrages caused by this Administration . And then there's the immobile Fema homes... there is no end to this Administration's lack of common sense, or morally acceptable leadership, which has proved to be no leadership at all, but the three-headed monster of Ignorance, Money & Power. I am out of outrage right now, but at least I’m not self-delusional; my inclination to easily feel empathetic, combined with what our “leaders” do, or neglect to do, is sure to return my sense of outrage soon enough.

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It is said that evil succeeds when good people do nothing.... and far too many good people in this country are so paralyzed by fear and/or misplaced patriotism that they not only allow but give a mandate for the evil that now squats in the White House and on Capitol Hill.

I will do as you have asked and contact that site to add my voice to the others who want something sane done about the whole situation.

There has to be a special place in Hell reserved for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their cronies!

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What are we going to do about the First Fool? There is now an abundance of evidence to put him on trial in this country for crimes too numerous to mention. There is also good reason to hand the hideous little bastard over to the Hague for crimes against humanity in general and the people of Iraq in particular. Dick Cheney will probably escape the same, well deserved fate. Given the state of his health and the stress he's been under lately (Happy hunting, Dick!) the old bugger's liable to drop dead any day now.

By the summer of 2007, George W. Bush will become the first president in American history to be forcably removed from office. It'll take another legislative body to get the job done - don't hold your breath waiting for this congress to do the right thing - but it's going to happen. Of this I have no doubt. He'll also be remembered, primarily, as the first chief executive in the history of the republic to go to federal prison. I am as certain of that as I am my own name.

This administration's policy on torture was exactly that: Policy. Why else are they refusing to illegalize it outright? Let's get the wheels rolling.

On that happy note...

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
tomdegan@frontiernet.net

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is that those who are objecting to these pictures being released, are the ones releasing them. They don't fear America's moral outrage, and have learned how to manipulate it in many ways. But these pictures and cartoons are causing the Muslim world to come unhinged, which plays into the Republican mantra of making the world safe, while it destabilizes it. I don't trust this government, and they've worked rather hard at maintaining that relationship, even with their latest caper of the hunting accident. Now Rice is asking for millions more to destabilize Iran. If our Congress gives the administration that money knowing their intention, they should all be run out of town.

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I was outraged enough to do something about it when the first pictures from Abu Ghraib were released and that was the last straw for me as a result of the 1980’s when the Iran-Contra scandal broke. South American countries’ death squads trained to torture by the United States’ CIA and financed by our tax dollars was enough to make me sick back then although I was used to seeing bloodshed (I am a military brat who had a father in the Army during the Korean and the Vietnam War). Just in case anyone doesn’t have a clue, that is one of many major reasons why the South Americans (and Middle American) people hate the US government.

If anyone truly wants to make a difference then join a human rights group also such as the Amnesty International organization and the Human Rights Watch. Although these organizations are considered conservative human rights groups among left-leaning people like me, they do excellent work and get real results especially on individual bases. I joined my local group of Amnesty International after attending one of their meetings concerning the first set of photos released from Abu Ghraib and was very impressed with their expertise, their research as well as with the members’ passionate devotion to human rights. Attending AI's conferences and listening to the survivors’ stories of horrible torture at the orders of US “observers” bung tears even to this hardened military brat.

By the way, our government has in its procession pictures and videos that are even more horrendous than the recent ones released. After the first set of Abu Ghraib prison’s information was released, our Senators sat and viewed these photos and recordings of women and boys being raped in front of their husbands and fathers. Again I ask, where has this writer been not to have known this from the news reports? I guess better late than never.

I no longer worry if or when the rest of the US American people (unlike most here) will become outraged more less wake up. I no longer even care about those who insist on supporting the Cheney/Bush regime; they do so at their own risks. Several soldiers involved in the so-called Abu Ghraib scandal where hired as a result of their experience in the US American prison systems. The American people as a whole, unfortunately, will suffer the consequences of the US government’s history of using torture when it comes home to roost.

And it will; any country and its government that is capable of torturing prisoners of war against humane international laws created as a result of WWII and states that it is above the law is capable of torturing its own citizens. Any country and its government that is capable of slaughtering thousands of people while propagandizing them to less than human status and therefore, not worthy of our compassion is capable of slaughtering its own citizens. In addition, the U.S. government has been either directly involved or indirectly involved in torture, as in supporting the death squads throughout South America since the 1950s, and now in the Middle East. It is just a matter of time before they will label American citizens as "terrorists" and use it as an excuse to jail and torture its own citizens.

As a better writer than I stated: “If we, the people [of the United States of America], allow government leaders to commit unnamed, unaccounted-for tortures upon those we hold in far-flung gulags – in “support” of a war that these leaders can’t explain to the American people or the world – it won’t be surprising when, in the event of domestic chaos at home, they visit like horrors upon their own citizens.” by Michael Nolan, “Martial Law”, 11/12/05, LewRockwell.com

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On January 5, 2006 in the afternoon I traveled to Ramallah and to the Headquarters of ADAMEER [Arabic for conscience]
to interview spokesmen Ala Jaradat who informed this reporter:

“The methods and photos from Abu Grahib and Guantanamo were no shock to any Palestinian who had been in prison between 1967 and the ‘80’s.

"All the methods used in Abu Grahib were normal procedures against Palestinians. In 1999 Internationals, Palestinians and Israelis for human rights threatened a boycott against Israel and that is what forced the Supreme Court to address the torture issue. They did not ban torture and the General Prosecutor can choose not to prosecute those who still use it."

much much more on the WAWA blog and DO SOMETHING page:
http://www.wearewideawake.org

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What happens to a brutalized people--brutalized in part by what is "chosen" entertainment (as horrible as you want), by very forceful, "authentic" context of "American war is good," "those who have fought are heroes--regardless of what they might have done," and now these revelations--are they such revelations? So that we can safely consider: a sane nuclear attack on Iran. Among other things entirely inhumane.

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I think Americans should go on strike. If we refuse to buy anything except the bare minimum for survival --especially boycotting GAS, Walmart, fast food franchises, turn the heat down, don't buy new clothes....slow downs at work.....whatever it takes to bring this econmy to a screeching halt until the Bush and his administration is in jail where they belong.

"But what about the small business owner"...? If even 20 to 50 percent less purchasing is going on, there will be a clear mesage. Torture is unacceptable and we want our country back. No more business as usual.

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there's an axiom at work here that applies across the board:
"You become your own enemy."
Therefore, pick your enemies well. The US always has to have a new crop of enemies. We certainly have been scraping the bottom of the barrel as targets for our hate, venom, and violence. Better yet, as Jesus said, "Love your enemies." Our extremist Christian leaders should try that for the next 3 years of the reign Bush and Company. Not that I'm x-ian but I sure like living without personal enemies.

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"They make violent resistance in Iraq seem like the only justified response." I have lost all respect for this website. Please take back that comment.

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who spent a lot of years in the Army, and specifically in the Military Intelligence Corps, and even *more* specifically inthe 18th Airborne Corps (which is where the "school" teaching these tactics is--or at least, used to be), this is heartbreaking to many of us. To see tactics that we went through in training--tactics we were trained that bad people would do to us!!!--used by our own interrogators on others is such a heinous offense. If someone in my old unit tried wiping crap on a prisoner for any reason, that person would have had aa serious jungle boot enema coming their way. A horrible disgrace.

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Says the Blame "Goes All the Way to The Top”

"We all knew it was contrary to the Geneva Conventions. And we were told that this – these instructions were being given by Secretary Rumsfeld"

Col. Janis Karpinski, former Brigadier General and author of "One Woman’s Army : The Commanding General of Abu Ghraib Tells Her Story"

She was demoted to colonel in May. She oversaw all military police in Iraq and was the first female ever to command soldiers in a combat zone.

Check it out: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10786.htm

Also see interview with Diane Rehm: http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/05/11/08.php

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... the recent polls. What exactly do we do??? I have pondered this internminably over the past 3 years and have come up with no answer.

There is this weirdness to all of this. We know intellectually what is going on and we want to do something within the system which we know is broken and thus that won't work. yet every day we go to work, we grocery shop, we pay bills and talk with our friends.

We go out to dinner, we pay our traffic tickey, file our tax returns, shop for Valentines day etc etc etc. There is a huge disconnect between what is going on and what our lives appear to be like daily.

There doesn't seem to be any evidence of these atrocities and civil rights violations in the conduct of our everyday lives right now so we are unsure how much to risk and give up to fight what we "know" to be the case, but don't "experience" at a visceral level.

That is my problem. I want to fight this as does everyone on here , with rare exceptions, yet we don't have that final push to do it.

I can't remember who said it, but I think it was Samual Adams who said that they put the right to overthrow our government in the Declaration of Independance with the full knowledge that Americans would not abuse that right, why?

He said because if anything we were more inclined to tolerate an incredible amount of it before ever taking any action, thus by our very nature would never abuse such a right.

He was right about that. Anyone notice how relevant these mens quotes are specifically to "today's" situation than at anyother time in history??? Its almost like they are talking to us in this generation directly across time. Its like they are standing right here and understand exactly what we are either going through or will go through if we don't do something.

So, give us some concrete recommendations that we can apply.
We believe this will take care of itself with the 2006 election, yet look at the polls. It won't happen. So, who is willing to give up their life as they know it to fight this??? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND!!!!!! p

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http://tinyurl.com/dwwd5

watch the video

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