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If Clinton jumped off a cliff …

Posted by Joshua Holland at 11:40 AM on December 22, 2005.


The right pulls out a 9th grade classic.
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jump cliff

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The truth slides off the right's spinmeisters like they were coated with intellectual Teflon.

The charge that Clinton authorized warrant-less wiretaps -- based on a distortion of the FISA laws and on the 1993 testimony of one of the right's favorite whipping-girls, Jamie Gorelick -- was bouncing around their echo-chamber on Tuesday and Wednesday.

It's been well-debunked. Media Matters did a number on both arguments here and here. Atrios chipped in, and an op-ed by Gerald Posner, the conservative legal scholar, in the WaPo was pretty thoroughly trashed.

No matter. Today's Moonie Times, for example, spews the same flaccid talking points.

But even if it were true, it still isn't relevant. When I tried a similar excuse, at age 15, apropos of everyone smoking pot at a high school party, my mom broke out the ancient mom wisdom: "If everyone jumped off a cliff …"

Which leads me to wonder: If a future Repub president were to be caught being serviced in the Oval office by some chubby harpy, would the same logic apply for our persecuted culture warriors on the other side?

I think not, which brings me to my point. This spy-ola scandal (our Rachel Neumann hates the 'gates') truly marks the defeat of American conservatism, replaced, tragically, with the whimpy and terrified ideology of the wingnuts who dominate today's right. Truly, you can't call yourself a conservative if you don't understand why the government being able to listen in on your private conversations without a warrant is troubling.

Remember the jabber about "limited government?" I guess it went the way of extinct creatures like the dodo bird and the Republican budget-hawk.

Digg!

Joshua Holland is a staff writer at Alternet and a regular contributor to The Gadflyer.


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Posted by: YogiBear on Dec 22, 2005 9:59 AM   
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The Alternet -- especially now with blogs -- is a supreme source for debunking the lies and spin from the right wing machine. There may be a lot lacking from our policital leaders on the left, but their constituents are doing a bang-up job of fighting the good fight.

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Where 's the scandal
Posted by: reugen on Dec 23, 2005 4:24 AM   
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When your preferred political candidate wins no doubt you will whine less.

Clinton presided over two of the most disgusting operations ever conducted by the federal government: Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Unlike 42, Bush has yet to allow federal agencies to shoot to kill allegedly innocent until proven guilty American citizens as a negotiating tactic.

FDR detained specific ethnic groups. Wilson and Lincoln also had their own misgivings about "civil liberties."

There's nothing scandalous about a president trying to carry out the duties of the position. It's not that simple to make these decisions, especially when you are facing the kind of civilian based threat that America and our allies do. Review the tactics used in carrying out Post 9-11 attacks in Madrid and London and you might respect the enormous difficulties facing the ordinary humans entrusted with protecting our lives.

When your favorite political party learns how to win national elections, perhaps the federal government will conduct its affairs to your liking.

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» RE: Where 's the scandal Posted by: philc77
Where 's the scandal
Posted by: reugen on Dec 23, 2005 4:26 AM   
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When your favorite political party learns how to win national elections, perhaps the federal government will conduct its affairs to your liking.

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» RE: Where 's the scandal Posted by: maxpayne
"But even if it were true, it still isn't relevant."
Posted by: lmiesse on Dec 23, 2005 10:43 AM   
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Really? A Democrat authorizing warrantless wiretaps would not be relevant? I thought the Democrats were all over unlawful search and seizures and due process violations!

And how about Carter getting around the newly created FISA courts in 1979 by using executive order EO 12139 to tell Griffin Bell to rubber-stamp the administration's electronic surveillance requests? According to the order, the CIA and the Department of Defense got free-wheeling spy privileges, as well!

"This spy-ola scandal (our Rachel Neumann hates the 'gates') truly marks the defeat of American conservatism, replaced, tragically, with the whimpy and terrified ideology of the wingnuts who dominate today's right." Quit playing partisan politics and recognize the bait and switch for what it is.

"Remember the jabber about "limited government?" I guess it went the way of extinct creatures like the dodo bird and the Republican budget-hawk." Remember the jabber about personal freedom? Talk about "extinct"!

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