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Chastity Clubs: Bringing the Hymens to Harvard

Posted by Jill Filipovic, Feministe at 6:51 AM on April 4, 2008.


You are not Gandhi or Nelson Mandela for choosing not to have sex.
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I have very little to say about this article, other than:

1. Talking about condoms and safer sex is not the same thing as demonizing abstinence, and if you're under that impression, I sure hope that you were a legacy admission to Harvard, because otherwise that's just embarrassing.

2. You look dumb when you complain that "there is just one lifestyle that doesn't get recognition" and that's abstinence. Abstinence gets recognition to the tune of more than $140 million in federal funding every year. Abstinence is discussed constantly. It is brought up in every single sex ed program. It is the subject of Congressional investigations and debates. It is studied by researchers. It is discussed in the classroom, in churches, in homes, in the news, and on blogs. Abstinence-until-marriage is discussed perhaps more than any other lifestyle choice made by less than five percent of the population.

3. You look even dumber when you complain about how mean and alienating the comprehensive sex ed folks are, and then you say stuff like pre-marital sex "deeply compromises human dignity" and leads to "personal unhappiness and social harm." I can recognize that it is hard to remain abstinent, especially in the face of a very sexualized culture. I appreciate and applaud the personal strength of individuals who decide abstinence in the best choice for them. But what I can't support is the constant attacks on sexually active people. People who have sex do not feel a constant need to tell abstinent people that their human dignity has been compromised, or that they're dirty, or that they are secretly unhappy, or that they're headed for total life ruin. I can understand how abstinent people may feel like society regards them as freaks because it seems like everyone else is having sex, but, statistically, most adults do have sex before marriage. It doesn't mean you're a freak if you don't, but it does mean you're making a different choice than 95 percent of the population. You can't really expect that the choices made by the overwhelming majority won't be normalized; you can, however, expect that your choices be recognized and respected. Unfortunately, the most vocal abstinence crusaders don't do that. They instead choose to tell the rest of us that we're making bad decisions and that we're compromising our dignity as human beings. That's far more fucked up and judgmental than anything I've ever heard a sexually active person say about abstinent folks.

4. You are not Gandhi or Nelson Mandela for choosing not to have sex.

5. I'm glad you've given this a feminist analysis, and I think there are feminist reasons for making your own sexual choices, including abstinence. But thinking that dudes are going to talk about you in the locker room and believing that oral sex is "disgusting" are not great justifications for the no-sex stance. First, if you think all men are dogs who are going to do the locker-room play-by-play, what makes you want to marry one? And why do you think that your guy will change from scum into a prince the day he puts a ring on your finger? Second, what makes you think that the constant "Don't think about sex!" message will actually make people not think about sex? It's the old "pink elephant" game, isn't it? Third, if your abstinence is based in feminist theory about controlling your own body and not giving it over to men, why are you against masturbation? Fourth, could you please just stop pretending that your abstinence is based in feminism and secularism? It's pretty clear that it's not, and your anti-masturbation stance isn't the only clue. If your choices are religiously motivated, that's fine -- but you really don't need to co-opt other movements to try to trick other people out of a condom-lovin' fuck.

6. When you're a dude who authors an article like this and you end it with a competition between the virgin and the whore and then conclude with a quote saying "most guys out there would rather end up with a girl like Janie [the virgin]," you do all involved a disservice.

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Good points, bad writing
Posted by: drmflorida on Apr 4, 2008 6:10 AM   
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When an entry in your list has its own list, you're overdoing the list thing. I have expect Alternet to do a "10 most frivolous lists on Alternet" article one day. Sadly, this posting won't even make it.

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» RE: Good points, bad writing Posted by: herronsmith
» RE: Good points, bad writing Posted by: herronsmith
Time for something new
Posted by: Maya on Apr 4, 2008 7:36 AM   
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How about overhauling this whole dichotomy grounded in anti-sex patriarchy by something new...Sex is a prayer, and a celebration of being alive.

The most profound way to love ourselves and life, through giving to another.

If that was our belief, we would never fear it or those with whom we are sexual.

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» RE: Time for something new Posted by: 23skidoo
YOU DECIDE, ARE AMERICANS STUPID?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 4, 2008 9:11 AM   
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After seeing this crap, the answer is yes. ANNA

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Great Response, We Need More With Your Verve
Posted by: terradea42 on Apr 4, 2008 10:11 AM   
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Thank you for this entertaining piece on the hypocrisy of the anti-sex harpies. The quotation "oral sex is disgusting" didn't surprise me coming from that crowd. Consider this: it's easy to avoid something if you're disgusted or terrified of it. Which I totally understand if the only men a these poor, unenlightened women encounter are Republicans or religious zealots. But I digress ... Thank you for this interesting counter-attack. Let's see more of this.

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Yep-Harvard is getting a reputation...
Posted by: g on Apr 4, 2008 10:23 AM   
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... for catering to the nutcases.
Filipovich has it absolutely right. These folks (Fredell and her ilk at the 'True Love Revolution-right, because everyone else's love is fake) are hypocritical in two ways: for pretending that their choice has aaaaabsolutely nothing to do with religion and for pretending that it is about freedom of choice while at the same time telling people who make different choices that they are wrong, dirty and dangerous to society. What do they want, a prize for keeping their panties on? Honestly, who gives a damn. I only feel sorry for whoever's going to marry Fredell. She is so steeped in denial, she is scary. And I am not saying that because she is choosing celibacy, but because she is so intent in lying to herself and others about the reasons to have or have not premarital sex.

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I do believe....
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Apr 4, 2008 11:27 AM   
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I'll stick with the harvard debauchery parties instead.

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It's Time America Grows Up About Sex
Posted by: NoPCZone on Apr 4, 2008 11:38 AM   
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Actually way past time.

Adults have sex (most of us, anyway) with spouses, partners, in LTR and sometimes the one night stand (some of us, again). Fact of life.

When are we as a society, as individuals and institutions start looking at sex as the healthy thing that it is rather than something to be ashamed of? The repression undoubtedly drives a lot of the unhealthy behaviors and attitudes in our society.

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motivation is everything..
Posted by: luzmejor on Apr 4, 2008 12:27 PM   
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...and people who talk about abstinence are admitting they can think and talk of nothing else besides sex and what they are doing at Harvard is looking for a husband so they can finallly do sex for a living and still look respectable.

Maybe applicants should be interviewed for such personal attitudes so they can be set straight before being admitted for study at higher institutions of learning.

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She's damned herself.
Posted by: LeaveMeAlone on Apr 4, 2008 3:31 PM   
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I've been with over a hundred women. About ten percent of them were incapable of experiencing orgasm, no matter what we did. And in nearly every case it turned out the woman had not masturbated when she was younger. Sexuality must be learned over time. If a woman ignores or denies her sexuality she may not be able to turn it on latter when she marries. By then it may be too late. You want to avoid sex for whatever reason, fine. But don't screw up others with garbage about how avoiding sex improves sex later after marriage. I pity this woman's future husband.

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Who's more obsessed with sex, the left or the right . . .
Posted by: hagwind on Apr 5, 2008 10:40 AM   
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. . . or maybe the New York Times? People who are relentlessly, obsessively anti-sex are boring. People who are relentlessly, obsessively pro-sex are boring. People who are relentlessly, obsessively pro- or anti-ANYTHING are boring. If you want to relentlessly obsess about sex (pro or anti), fine, just don't get all huffy when I say I've heard enough.

I'm ready for a bumper sticker: "People who can [fill in favorite physical, sensual, and/or social activity here], do; people who can't. obsess about sex."

Or maybe "Life is what happens when you're busy obsessing about sex."

With an asterisk, of course, and some teeny-tiny print at the bottom: "Life occasionally happens when you have unprotected heterosex; be warned."

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Crap.
Posted by: Longdream on Apr 6, 2008 9:32 AM   
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You want to have sex? Fine.

You don't want to have sex? Good.

You don't know whether you want to have sex or not and then are hoodwinked into not having sex by the statements and reasoning of whichever collection of people you've found on campus who band together to not have sex and can't find their way to the nearest monastery? Whatever.

You want to criticize Harvard for being the place where they do it or don't? What's it to you? It's their endowment.

What I'd like to know is this: We've been parsing, counting, investigating the 170 mil Abstinence Only program in the schools and finding it laughable for years. Waxman made his report in 2004. We've passed how many budgets since we know that it's ineffective, expensive and an insult to the intelligence? We have a Democratic majority in Congress.

WHAT THE FUCK IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO STOP WASTING THIS MONEY AND GET DECENT, STANDARDIZED SEX EDUCATION FOR EVERY KID IN SCHOOL?

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