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Texas Supreme Court: Beat a Teen for Jesus

Posted by Amanda Marcotte, Pandagon at 6:16 AM on June 30, 2008.


Violent exorcism A-OK in the Lone Star State, high court rules.
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From PZ, a story that’s horrifying both on its own and for its implications for the rights of all people, but especially women, whose bodies that the churches claim spiritual ownership over in the name of god.  A bit of background: A number of fundamentalist churches believe that sin is caused by literal demons that are invisible but that cling to your body, and need to be expunged by regular exorcisms that are satisfying dramatic to suit their own beliefs that they’re waging war.  Unsurprisingly, this tradition drifts over to sadism towards the sinners themselves, especially if the sinners are the young women that absorb so much of fundamentalism’s fascinated hostility.  Which has, in one case at least, caused what sounds like a version of post-traumatic stress disorder.


Laura Schubert testified in 2002 that she was cut and bruised and later experienced hallucinations after the church members’ actions in 1996, when she was 17. Schubert said she was pinned to the floor for hours and received carpet burns during the exorcism, the Austin American-Statesman reported. She also said the incident led her to mutilate herself and attempt suicide. She eventually sought psychiatric help.
But leave it to the Texas Supreme Court to decide that physical assault, kidnapping, and generally traumatizing young women is a-okay if you say Jesus told you to do it.

Justice David Medina wrote that finding the church liable “would have an unconstitutional ‘chilling effect’ by compelling the church to abandon core principles of its religious beliefs.”
This sort of logic chills me.  I quickly can see the implications for women’s rights outside of just the basic right not to be assaulted during a bout of make-believe over demons that people have convinced themselves is real.  Most of these churches are anti-choice---what if they argue that their religious freedom gives them the right to kidnap and contain women that they suspect of being sexual active or of seeking abortion or contraception?  Is there a time limit on how long a church can restrain a woman because they believe their god gives them ownership over her body? 




I joked the other day about Romanian churches that think they have some legal rights over the bodies of random girls and women in Romania.  Maybe they should set up shop in Texas, where the reactionary court will give them license to abuse citizens. 


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Religion is empirically proveable as a detriment to rational human though
Posted by: thekidde on Jun 30, 2008 7:16 AM   
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The delusional apparently have now taken over the Texas courts - whoopee!

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Sandra Jones
Posted by: nizhonigah on Jun 30, 2008 7:20 AM   
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The Bible doesn't specify beating the evil out of supected sinners.It did approve of stoning in the old testment.Many of these small church groups are led by people who seriously misinterpret the word of God.God loves all sinners and encourages us to pray for those who ar sinning;not beat the tar out of them.

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» RE: Sandra Jones Posted by: Xynyx
Toxic government supports toxic religion
Posted by: leland61 on Jun 30, 2008 7:26 AM   
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And it happens all over the world not just in Texas and not just in the USA.

When church and state were actually wed, the church usually condemned the witch, demon possessed, the heretic etc., but it was the state working on concert with the church and burned, beheaded, racked,and tortured the victim.

In most places this is not longer possible because the state has been forcably separated from the church. This is not, however, true in most countries where Islam is the dominant religion. Islam understands itself as holding all of the necessary legitimacy and authority to control the state - which isn't considered as a separate entity.

Saddam Hussein ran a secular state, reputed to be one of the most brutal in the world, though I suspect that is as much right wing imperialist American propaganda as truth, and kept all of the Muslims in line and Christians and Jews flourished.

Now that toxic Islam has taken over the streets nearly all of the Christians, who by the way have been there since the beginning of the Christian movement, have been murdered or driven into exile.

Texas has a far less toxic brand of religion running amok than does Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia (the current seat of Muslim toxicity) and other countries where Islam is the recognized religion - oh yes and you can add Turkey as well though it is supposed to be a secular society/country - that is - as the Oscar Myer slogan goes "bologna".

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GOD BLESS TEXAS!!!
Posted by: johnbradleycopeland on Jun 30, 2008 8:01 AM   
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I hope that they get Hagee next! Would love to see him get some "rug" burns! With a multi-million dollar chuch funded by his "christian" followers I guess they get a little bored from time to time and need to beat some demons out of somebody; I only wish it was them! Is this the "christian" nation we hear about so much!
O.K. Who's next?!

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There were dissenting opinions, FWIW.
Posted by: kaminariko on Jun 30, 2008 8:12 AM   
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It went 6-3. I wonder what the result would be if it weren't a Christian church.

"The First Amendment guards religious liberty; it does not sanction intentional abuse in religion's name," Chief Justice Wallace Jefferson wrote.

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Literal interpretations of scriptures - don't you love it!
Posted by: CJC on Jun 30, 2008 9:24 AM   
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This is just one of zillions of examples of how religious institutions are allowed to harrass and even torture people in the name of scriptures.

Ooh, I wonder how the Texas Supreme Court would have voted if the young woman being "exorcised" were Muslim? I bet then the fine justices would be just delighted to reach a decision that would have a "chilling effect" on the "practice of religion" and "constitutional right" would never occur to them.

Hypocrisy, narrow-mindedness, sexism - all alive and well right here in these United States. We miss Molly Ivins!

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The Supremes, hah! If they had it it would most assuredly be 5 - 4..
Posted by: Turiye on Jun 30, 2008 9:49 AM   
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The Supremes of 1947 in Everson v Board of Education of Ewing Twp. decided that the 'establishment clause' was intended to erect "a wall of separation between church and state", problem being when is it time for that wall to have a brick removed? It is to the point of absurdity, beating teens, raping and impregnating teens, this is sadly sick. Then we say "nope can't get in the way of church and state", there has to be a point where this is seen for what it is, child abuse, rape, torture, so far no live burials so I guess the Supremes will, as Antonin fat pig Scalia says, "Get over it already!"

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the real demons
Posted by: robmikejas on Jun 30, 2008 12:03 PM   
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The real demons are the purpotraitors of these violent acts on the "possesed". They who deal the violence, and those who condone it, are as far outside any spiritual grace as anyone can be.It's hard to believe we are actually living in the 21st century.

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And Christianity is Superior to Islam in its treatment of Women Because ...?
Posted by: juniorantique on Jun 30, 2008 12:38 PM   
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What religious whackamoles practice exorcism, witch-burning, and other treatments in the name of their god? It isn't Muslims! And we are in Afghanistan to liberate their women?? (At least this is one reason they gave eons ago) ... this is great, we are providing a fabulous example here Stateside. Sheesh, guys.

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where was child protective services?
Posted by: thealltheone on Jun 30, 2008 1:30 PM   
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If the parents of the 17 year old were behind the church, and this was in the news,(however I live in Texas and did not see it) then why was not child protective services not involved to charge the parents for allowing the abuse? They jumped all over the FLDS people! Texas is not the only state with tons of religious sects. They are everywhere! I am not defending abuse, but what about Scientology? They do it too. Religious freedom may not be right, but it is there for a reason. Does not matter what it is, it can be perverted or a loop hole found. Just like any organized group, all it takes is one bad apple to taint the whole barrel for us all. The girl should file a civil suit against the church and her parents for damages.

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» RE: I am not a Christian but... Posted by: munchkinpup
Texas judges also turned those children back over to the Mormon "harems" they were taken from
Posted by: JLPearson on Jun 30, 2008 3:24 PM   
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and where the young girls will be bred as soon as they are old enough, and the young boys taken out and abandoned as soon as they are old enough to be interested in those young girls. Little outcroppings of the Dark Ages, right in our own backyard. But we consider ourselves the civilised country and the rest barbarians?

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Ummmm......
Posted by: rickiey on Jul 1, 2008 3:35 AM   
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Weren't those women in that church voluntarily?

It seems to me that court upheld the right to be in a church of your choosing, even of that church has moronic practices.

Perhaps I missed something? Were those women forced to be in that church, or not allowed to leave?

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Welcome to the middle ages
Posted by: modeler on Jul 2, 2008 5:28 PM   
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And that in the twenty first century? Only in America!!!

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