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CIA Gave Torture Tips to Pentagon

Posted by Lindsay Beyerstein, AlterNet at 2:00 AM on June 18, 2008.


Senior spook: "If the detainee dies, you're doing it wrong."
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Documents released by a Senate committee investigating the Pentagon's torture-based interrogation methods reveal that CIA advisers had a larger role in shaping the program than previously thought.

According to the Washington Post, a CIA legal expert gave the Pentagon a torture tutorial in October of 2002:

A senior CIA lawyer advised Pentagon officials about the use of harsh interrogation techniques on detainees at Guantanamo Bay in a meeting in late 2002, defending waterboarding and other methods as permissible despite U.S. and international laws banning torture, according to documents released yesterday by congressional investigators.

Torture "is basically subject to perception," CIA counterterrorism lawyer Jonathan Fredman told a group of military and intelligence officials gathered at the U.S.-run detention camp in Cuba on Oct. 2, 2002, according to minutes of the meeting. "If the detainee dies, you're doing it wrong." [WaPo]

The Senate Armed Services Committee is currently holding hearings to determine how the Pentagon developed the torture program that was eventually implemented at Guantanamo Bay and other U.S. detention centers.

After many hours of testimony, a story is beginning to emerge from the hearings. In the summer of 2002, the Pentagon drew up a secret shortlist potential torture techniques (e.g., stress positions, forced nudity, sensory deprivation, solitary confinement...). The list was circulated to the military's own lawyers and to members of the CIA's legal team. The military lawyers rejected the "coercive interrogation" programs as illegal, but the CIA lawyers gave the Pentagon the green light. As you might expect, Donald Rumsfeld's Pentagon sided with CIA counsel.

Committee members from both parties levied sharp criticism at the Pentagon and its accomplices in torture:

"The guidance that was provided during this period of time, I think, will go down in history as some of the most irresponsible and shortsighted legal analysis ever provided to our nation's military and intelligence communities," said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.).

Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.), the committee chairman, asked: "How on Earth did we get to the point where a United States government lawyer would say that . . . torture is subject to perception?" [WaPo]

Good question, Senator. Good question.

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Tagged as: cia, torture, pentagon, guantanamo

Lindsay Beyerstein a New York writer blogging at Majikthise.


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And Which Committees and Sen/Reps KNEW??? CYA Hearings
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 18, 2008 6:16 AM   
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Who's Covering their OWN Asses with this Smoke & Mirrors Hearings (hear but do nothing charade)
Who should have been demanding exact statements regarding Mission and use of our military, Who should have assured they were well equipped and Well trained? Who should have asked Why we were contracting Out services to Private Corps and What the Cost and Risks would be? And Who they would be accountable to? Who should have had a Copy of the Exit Plan in their Mitts BEFORE we deployed ONE Soldier?Who should have barred the Stop Lose Program and excessive Redeployments?
Who Was Responsible for OVERSIGHT OF THE ARMED SERVICES???????
Let me tell you something about Sen Levin, The Senator from the Buckle of the Rust Belt State of Michigan. He has been talking out both sides of his Mouth for Decades! Who failed to Push the Big 3 to retool and Re configure Vehicles after the First major Oil & M.E terrorism of the '70's.Who has claimed allegience with the Blue collar workers while Blowing the Corps? Who couldn't be bothered to fight to maintain Our Jobs? Who Has Done Nothing but sit on his Well Oiled Ass for Decades while his state and all the states dependent on Our production began Circling the Drain.
Do Not Pat this Traitor on the Back- he is the Worst type of Political Criminal there is- A Covert operative Deciever!
MR Levin You not only deserve to be thrown out of the Dem Party,and Public Service- You deserve to be Tried for Co conspiracy on charges of Treason, War Crimes and Crimes agaisnt Humanity.Blood is on Your Hands for your Actions and Inactions for the last 3 decades! this Bullshit ACT is NOT going to Undue the past or save your Ass.You would best served to consider starting to talk about what YOU KNEW and Help US convict these High Crime Criminals- Have some self respect , diginity or Ounce of Real Patriotism DO THE RIGHT THING FOR ONCE!!!

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Proof
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jun 18, 2008 7:58 AM   
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In the news: A report by a human-rights group conducting medical exams on about a dozen former Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib PROVES that these detainees were tortured. (As well as being subjected to the nice little things we hear about, like forced nudity and stress positions, some of the detainees had been electrocuted and even sodomized.)

But George Bush, he says the US doesn't torture.

Bush wouldn't LIE about anything, would he?...

Well, if he DID lie, then he would have been impeached, so he must be telling the truth. So there!

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I Watched the Hearings Until the WEE Hours of the AM, they grilled them.....
Posted by: Turiye on Jun 18, 2008 10:04 AM   
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....Senator Claire McCaskill was great, she was a pitbull. She asked pointed, direct, named each name of the accused, how far and whom ordered these Egregious deniers of the Geneva Convention by ordering Torture and what was done, from Level 1 through 3, in Abu Ghraib And GITMO, nameing Rumsfeld, Gates on up.
Now I need a damn nap....

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Torture and more torture
Posted by: Reader11722 on Jun 18, 2008 12:11 PM   
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Vile torture methods, yet another infringement on our rights by the gov't. Add it to the ever-growing list of violations:
They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great country.

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» RE: Torture and more torture Posted by: Quannah
They are going to have to cast a WIDE net...
Posted by: Quannah on Jun 18, 2008 1:13 PM   
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to catch all the lawbreakers in the government since Bush began to occupy the White House!

The list is long and growing longer by the hour. There is no way that there can't be criminal prosecutions in every department of the Executive Branch!

My question is: Do we have enough room in the prisons to hold them all?

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More MOCKINGBIRD . . .
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jun 19, 2008 10:42 AM   
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More than a decade ago (that having to do with the infamous School of the Americas), and again when the term "waterboarding" first hit the media (and here, incidentally, on AlterNet), I wrote to literally dozens of persons including those in the media and congress, to point out that "waterboarding" and water torture in general drown the victim, then resuscitate him. Rescuscitation sometimes fails, and the victim, dead, remains dead.

Whatever. Ask yourselves why this fact - a rather obvious one, under the circumstances - has never once been mentioned by the media or any of the politicians at any of the much-ballyhooed "hearings."

Ask any of the phony, posturing pundits who equate "waterboarding" to college fraternity hazing and the like how they'd like to be killed, then revived - until they tried to tell their tormentors what the latter wanted to hear, or were dead.

These two facts will tell historians as much about the impending decline and fall of the U.S. as anything else. More, the debate over "waterboarding" parallels many here on AlterNet - demonstrating as it does a politicized hatred of the truth probably unprecedented in history (truth, even having to do with physics and the like, is now decided by popular opinion, rather than logic and science, and I was recently reproved with here on AlterNet for my insistance upon logic during debate; logic, my detractor said, has no place in debate).

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» RE: More MOCKINGBIRD . . . Posted by: Quannah