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Government May Have Massive Surveillance Program for Use in "National Emergency"

Posted by Satyam Khanna, Think Progress at 3:32 PM on May 20, 2008.


During a national emergency, an illegal surveillance program may classify up to 8 million Americans as "enemies of the state."
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Last year, former deputy attorney general James Comey revealed that in 2004, he refused to “certify” the legality of certain aspects of the National Security Agency (NSA) spy program. Comey witnessed Alberto Gonzales and Andrew Card try to force a bed-ridden John Ashcroft to approve the program. Comey, however, did not publicly give specifics as to what program he opposed.


CAP’s Peter Swire wrote on ThinkProgress at the time that Comey’s testimony implied that “other programs exist for domestic spying” outside of the NSA program. Radar’s Christopher Ketcham suggests that another spy program does exist: “Main Core,” a program that authorizes “computer searches through massive [unspecified] electronic databases” in order to discover “potential threats” in the event of a “national emergency”:


According to a senior government official…”There exists a database of Americans, who, often for the slightest and most trivial reason, are considered unfriendly, and who, in a time of panic, might be incarcerated. The database can identify and locate perceived ‘enemies of the state’ almost instantaneously.” … One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed in Main Core as potentially suspect. In the event of a national emergency, these people could be subject to everything from heightened surveillance and tracking to direct questioning and possibly even detention.


These so-called “Continuity of Governance” plans, Radar notes, “are shrouded in extreme secrecy, effectively unregulated by Congress or the courts.” “Main Core is the table of contents for all the illegal information that the U.S. government has [compiled] on specific targets,” said a former military operative. Furthermore, the NSA domestic surveillance program reportedly “suppl[ies] data to Main Core.”



According to Radar, a “number of former government employees and intelligence sources with independent knowledge of domestic surveillance operations” say Main Core is strikingly similar to what Comey refused to authorize at Ashcroft’s bedside:



[T]he program that caused the flap between Comey and the White House was related to a database of Americans who might be considered potential threats in the event of a national emergency. Sources familiar with the program say that the government’s data gathering has been overzealous and probably conducted in violation of federal law and the protection from unreasonable search and seizure guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment.

“We are at the edge of a cliff and we’re about to fall off,” said constitutional lawyer and former Reagan administration official Bruce Fein. “To a national emergency planner, everybody looks like a danger to stability.”

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This Takes The Cake
Posted by: QQOblivion on May 20, 2008 3:53 PM   
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I hesitate to comment on this, but they probably already are spying on me anyway.
I bet that the majority, if not all, of those who post to or even simply read Alternet are some of the 8 million Americans listed by Main Core.

Watch as the Mainstream Media stays away from this story. (Why? Either they are scared, they are biased to the right, or they are just much more concerned about those dang flag-pins and about American Idol.)

This story, if true, is one of the scariest to come out about our currently fascist and dystopian government. And that is saying a lot.

I do not know how to properly show my surprise and shock about this story-- well, I am shocked, but I am NOT surprised.
So I will leave it at this:

Is there ANY evil the Bush regime is not capable of!?

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RE: GROW UP
Posted by: Quannah on May 21, 2008 10:35 AM   
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You are ridiculous. Grow up? I see it this way: if I'm on this list, I must be doing something right! Dissent is an essential part of freedom (in case you aren't aware of that theory).

They can come and take me. Political prisoners are not cowards. The very fact that they are political prisoners speaks to their willingness to take the risk of imprisonment in order to exercise their right to speak out about the crimes being committed by our government in their names.

I would rather be in a cell with others who share my beliefs than cowering in the comfort of my home. If that happens, we would all be prisoners anyway.

So take your own advice, and grow up yourself.

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» RE: GROW UP Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: GROW UP Posted by: Quannah
» RE: GROW UP Posted by: Doubtom
RE: Uh....here's a hint:
Posted by: KUCING on May 21, 2008 6:31 PM   
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I DID google Main Core, and guess what I got? 30.500.000 hits.

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8 Million Isn't Enough!
Posted by: ikonoklast on May 20, 2008 6:47 PM   
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Every American should be on this list--because every American should be the enemy of a corrupt, anti-Constitutional government.

It is our right to think, speak, organize, worship, and publish whatever we want--even if we express dangerous or unpopular beliefs. It is our responsibility to preserve these rights, not only for ourselves, but for those with whom we disagree the most.

Sacrificing freedom to preserve security is as anti-American as you can get. If you love freedom, get on the list!

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This is something Gonzales also alluded to during
Posted by: Quannah on May 20, 2008 10:00 PM   
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his "testimony" surrounding not only the Ashcroft incident, but the US Attorney firings. If you remember, he would NOT specify a program. It was an obvious case of obfuscation, yet no one could specifically pin him down.

If this isn't "extra-constitutional" I don't know what is!

And someone remind me again why impeachment is off the table?

I hope I'm on the list! It would be a great disappointment if I'm not.

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What Does It Take to Get Impeached?
Posted by: AlexLawyer on May 21, 2008 12:52 AM   
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Richard Nixon got run out of town for covering up a sleazy burglary and Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about a private sexual matter in a deposition. Bush and Cheney have ordered torture, forced disappearances, assassinations, literally millions of unconstitutional searches, coverups of massive corruption by crony defense contractors under no-bid, cost-plus contracts and many other felonies. Yet Nancy Pelosi says impeachment is off the table, and very few Americans seem concerned about it. We have collectively lost our capacity for outrage, our respect for the rule of law, and our moral compass.

I can only hope that to restore the rule of law, regain the respect of the world, and deter future violations, hearings will be held after the elections and vigorous investigations and prosecutions carried out. Otherwise, we should install a set of manacles on the Statue of Liberty and reword our national anthem and pledge of allegiance.

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» RE: Hint..... Posted by: Quannah
This is nothing new?
Posted by: chuckjs on May 21, 2008 2:53 AM   
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Yes your gov't does spy on you almost all the time. "main core" has been around in one form or another since god knows when.

Yet everyone acts like this is some new startling discovery.

Do you think there wasn't a database of Japanese, during WWII, when they were being rounded up and put in internment camps. Or how about a list of German Nationals to guard against infiltration? Or what about German or Japanese sympathizers that were US citizens?

Do you really think the US gov't did nothing to track communist sympathizers between the end of WWII and the end of the cold war? Remember McCarthy and his commie witch hunt? What database did he rely on for his info?

Do you actually think the gov't did not keep a database of anti-war protesters during the Vietnam War. Hell they were willing to have the National Guard kill them at Kent State.

It's nothing new, but thanks for pointing out that they still do it! I wonder who will be searching my computer tonight?

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» RE: This is nothing new? Posted by: Quannah
"going on up to the Server in the Sky.... "
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on May 21, 2008 8:54 AM   
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"going on up to the 'Server in the Sky'"

Naked Truth: Civil Rights & CNN coverage of international "F.B.I. biometric database - 'Server in the Sky'"

In this zero-sum game, we’re all losers

"shock & awe-ful thing"s: thoughts on "Taking Liberties" & forced drugging of Non-Americans on US flights:
"In a Chicago holding cell early one evening in February 2006, five guards piled on top of a 49-year-old man who was angry he was going back to Ecuador, according to a nurse's account in his deportation file. As they pinned him down so the nurse could punch a needle through his coveralls into his right buttock, one officer stood over him menacingly and taunted, "Nighty-night." ...

The Guardian notes:

"... The plan will make groups anxious to safeguard personal privacy question how much access to UK databases is granted to foreign law enforcement agencies.
There will also be concern over security, particularly after embarrassing data losses within the UK, and accuracy:
in one case, an arrest for a terror offence by US investigators used what turned out to be misidentified fingerprint matches... " ... In Britain, the key database is called IDENT1 and it holds 7 million sets of fingerprints and biometric data. It’s operated by Northrop Grumman, which expects to add facial images, palm prints and video to the database.

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The write to spy on anyone
Posted by: peacekeepertwo on May 21, 2008 9:39 AM   
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The fact that this data, is going to be collected is not a big deal in itself. the problem Comes, when there is no oversite. If this were 1978, this wouldn't be a problem. Go back to the 1978 version of FISA.

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I shudder to think
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on May 21, 2008 10:23 AM   
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what trivial matters qualify a person to be on the list of bad people.

Signed an ACLU online petition?
Posted on Alternet and other "lefty" blogs?
Be gay?
Be atheist?
Be poor?
If they truly crack down, no one will be happy or proud to be on this list.

I can just hear Bill O'Reilly and Glen Beck now..."All those lefties are a danger to us REAL Americans! Lock 'em up and throw away the key!" and then Dancing with the Stars will come on and everyone will cheer and forget.....


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Domestic Disappearances
Posted by: bc430 on May 21, 2008 11:17 AM   
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began a while ago and now number in the high hundreds of thousands. Visit your city/county jails, State and Fed. pens. Some of the inmates are criminals. The majority are there because their existence was criminalized by city, county, state and federal government decree.

Most of them did not reside in your neighborhood or belong to your church, lodge, frat or soro. However, the purveyors of State sponsored terror understood the need to cull the most agressive and willing to "resist" young bucks from the herd. Stop 'em from breeding.

Where are the rest? Active duty military, Natl. Guard, Reserves, on State sponsored drugs, in public school special ed classes and otherwise classified as illegit so as to make it easier for them to not be born or nurtured. Believe it or not, some are even dying from the Aids virus.

Be careful you don't let all the pissed off poor get too run down, marginalized, feared, hated, gunned down and deported. There'll be no fighters left. Who will lead the resistance?

Be careful again that you understand the spirit of Jeff Davis embodied in Hill and Billy Jeff Kkklinton as they reconstitute the "hard working White" confederacy right before our collective wide open eyes. At the Denver convention Hillary just might say "shove your veep spot, give me and the hardest working folks in show biz the state of West Va and go bleep ya self." 'We secede.'

Someone posted above a scenario from full blown police state, to which I suggested the following, when only brainwashed state sponsored mercinaries possess firearms.

And the storm trooper coming to disappear you and or yours and doing all the shooting will no doubt be a GED toting enduring Iraqi Freedom "troop" and Hillary/McCain/Cheney/Bush supporter that "we the people" supported, and our congress super funded again, in 2008 to stay on in Iraq, because 'they' told us to repeat after 'them' - "it doesn't matter how we got there; we are there now and we must support the troops even if we don't support the WAR."

Funny how one thing kinda leads to anutha.

Flawed logic is a bitch that bites asses.


Me? I'm just reporting on the conspiracy while I can.

Peace and

Love...

please.

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» RE: Domestic Disappearances Posted by: EJLima
a dsemantic disticntion without a difference
Posted by: whealeydj on May 21, 2008 2:25 PM   
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between HUAC and Mccarthy

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Republicans Give up their Carefully crafted Police state
Posted by: james2021 on May 21, 2008 3:21 PM   
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Dumbya has swpent 7+ years building up the police state, and do not see him quietly walking away from it. He has frequently stated that he is the DECIDER, (some times spelled DICTATOR) and he likes it that way.

John McBush is no different, neither is Hillary.

With much anticipation, we look forward to the General Election, Unless Dumbya takes over first.

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» DO NOT RIOT!!!! Posted by: Doubting Thomas
JUST BECAUSE I'M PARANOID DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY AREN'T AFTER ME.
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on May 21, 2008 10:52 PM   
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In all honesty I would not be at all surprised to spend my last days in a political jail. The first persons rounded up by Adolph Hitler weren't the Jews, the gypsies, the gays, or the insane; the first persons rounded up were his political enemies. Since he was radical right, it was everyone to his left. That was nearly everybody.

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