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Bush Administration Tries to "Cleanse" Evidence Obtained Through Torture

Posted by Liliana Segura, AlterNet at 12:17 PM on February 12, 2008.


Giving Starbucks coffee to prisoners is no substitute for a clean trial.
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Timing is everything. Yesterday the Pentagon announced that it will seek the death penalty against six men accused of masterminding the terrorist attacks of September 11th. Arriving at the heels of CIA Director Michael Hayden's admission last week that three detainees at Gitmo -- including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who is among the defendants -- were waterboarded, the announcement sparked immediate questions about the viability of the evidence against the defendants, who are said to have undergone other forms of "harsh interrogation." As one reporter asked White House Press Secretary Dana Perino: "Is the White House at all concerned that some of the evidence of the confessions by many of these men may not be admissible because they were obtained through waterboarding, which the administration admitted to last week?"

Perino skirted the question, but I would guess 'no.' That's because the Pentagon has deployed a novel strategy to legitimize the process and make it respectable again: take defendants imprisoned in an endless legal limbo and whose confessions have been tortured out of them and interrogate them again, this time asking nicely and without violence, to obtain the same evidence. A few months later, voila: You have a clean trial.

The Washington Post explains:

"FBI and military interrogators who began work with the suspects in late 2006 called themselves the 'Clean Team' and set as their goal the collection of virtually the same information the CIA had obtained from five of the six through duress at secret prisons.
"To ensure that the data would not be tainted by allegations of torture or illegal coercion, the FBI and military team won the suspects' trust over the past 16 months by using time-tested rapport-building techniques, the officials said."
One official described the tactic:
"[Interrogators] went in and said that they'd love to talk to them, that they knew what the men had been through, and that none of that stuff was going to be done to them … It was made very clear to them that they were in a very different environment, that they were not with the CIA anymore."
The Post -- which also pointed out that the prisoners were fed "whenever they were hungry" and given Starbucks coffee -- concedes that it remains unclear "whether the FBI and military interrogators could have extracted the same information without a road map from the CIA indicating what they might say."
"It also remains unknowable whether the detainees would have responded to a friendly approach without first receiving more aggressive treatment."
That's not all that's unclear:

"It is not clear whether the government will apply civilian rules holding that death penalty cases are to be treated with extraordinary care," reports the New York Times, "or how a death penalty might be carried out, or where. It is not even clear how much of the proceedings may take place in sealed courtrooms. "

Nevertheless, the Bush administration insists that the announcement to seek the death penalty came yesterday because it was "ready" to make it.

Unlike previous terrorism trials in which the U.S. has sought the death penalty, these defendants are to be tried in the Bush administration's system of military commissions. As Michael Ratner of the Center for Constitutional Rights reminds us in a recent statement: these are kangaroo courts that "allow hearsay evidence, allow secret proceedings, there is no jury and the judges are handpicked by the administration. It is a far cry from the due process required by our constitution, the Geneva Conventions and international law."

That due process is non-existent at Guantanamo is not news. But the strategy being used by the Bush administration in these cases -- in which "prosecutors and top administration officials essentially wanted to cleanse the information so that it could be used in court" -- is obscene.

As one retired admiral told the Post, "Once you torture someone, it is hard to un-torture them."

Few people have sympathy for the defendants in this case, and death penalty supporters -- especially those running for office -- love to invoke terrorists as legitimate reason to retain our system of capital punishment. But the craven maneuvering in this case should be appalling to anyone who believes in the rule of law in a democracy. As Vince Warren of CCR told the Post, these are "essentially show trials, as President Bush is leaving his tarnished legacy to the next president." Now would be a good time for Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama to say something.

Don't hold your breath.

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Tagged as: 9/11, torture, death penalty, guantanamo, waterboarding

Liliana Segura is an AlterNet staff writer and editor of the Rights & Liberties section.


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Torture
Posted by: Schroeder on Feb 12, 2008 7:10 AM   
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Of course, first you destroy the tapes of them being tortured, then you kill them. The Bush Administration (et al) will never be held accountable. I believe those who are truly guilty of masterminding/planning 9/11 should be punished. However, will we ever know who did what because of the complete and utter incompetence of this administration and their criminal behavior? Perhaps Guantanamo is where the Bush 'regime' belongs. Maybe we should keep it open just for them!

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» RE: Torture Posted by: Dboy
» RE: Torture Posted by: ALANHESTER
Alleged
Posted by: QQOblivion on Feb 12, 2008 8:05 AM   
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I wonder what ACTUAL evidence -- evidence not obtained through torture of the defendants or witnesses -- links the suspects to the 9-11 attacks.
I have zero confidence -- ZERO confidence -- that these suspects are actually guilty of anything.
When reading about this story I read that these suspects are the "alleged masterminds of the 9-11 attacks" or that "the government says these are the masterminds of the 9-11 attacks". But what does average Joe-American hear/read when he hears/reads this story? Just that the suspects are "the masterminds of the 9-11 attacks".
No "alleged" or "the government says" about it.
Americans want blood. After all, the original 19 hijackers are already dead. We can't waterboard them. We can't shove objects into THEIR rectums to force them to talk, as is done to some of those detained in the "war on terror". And we certainly can't execute the hijackers.
So the Bush administration -- which is looking for a public-relations "surge" in this time of elections -- has announced at this period in history that they have got the masterminds themselves. If there was ANY justice, which there is not, the government's case and the treatment of the suspects would be what is put on trial here, not the ALLEGED masterminds of the 9-11 attacks.

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» I have zero confidence as well Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Alleged Posted by: Dboy
» RE: Alleged Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Alleged Posted by: bitsfick
» RE: Alleged Posted by: EncinoM
Giving them "Starbucks coffee" means what?
Posted by: rancespergl on Feb 12, 2008 8:24 AM   
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That they're putting on the Ritz? That these poor fuckers have been pleading for Starbucks brand of coffee? That Starbucks coffee is the sine qua non of caffeinated hot beverage choices?

Argggh!!

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One huge problem I see is that...
Posted by: Quannah on Feb 12, 2008 10:42 AM   
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according to the press conference I watched when they announced this prosecution, there is one military judge that will be determining everything. One person. No jury. One judge.

This is a total set-up! It just so happens that by the time the "trial" starts it will be FULL-ON election season! Once again, the Elephants are "tough on terror" - and it becomes a political football! Nevermind there are 6 mens' lives in the balance. And our entire system of justice.

This is total insanity.

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Once you torture someone...
Posted by: Quannah on Feb 12, 2008 4:56 PM   
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Kinda like "once you have a dictator installed, it's kind of hard to un-install him."

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 13, 2008 12:50 AM   
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The Bush administration: Try 'em & Fry 'em

There's no statute of limitations on genocide.

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» RE: Terrorist Posted by: Turiye
Its obvious thats its all a farce.....
Posted by: Smiggsy on Feb 13, 2008 1:12 AM   
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Holding people captive without a fair judicial trial for as many years as these people have been held for is an obvious indication of one thing...extreme prejudice & discrimination.

The US government is behaving abhorrently - same as when the USSR sent people to prison camps in Siberia for no reason, or South African aparthide that saw Nelson Mandella in prison for no reason, or the Nazi persecutions & concentration camps, etc...

Take note, this is how the rest of the world NOW views the USA.

If there is no evidence of wrong doing that cannot be proved in a court of law (military or civil) then there is no justice in imprisonment. So I ask who is the criminal?

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A show trial in a kangeroo court...
Posted by: cordas on Feb 13, 2008 1:35 AM   
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Are we talking about Mugabee's Zimbawi, Sadam's Iraq, the Taliban's Afganistan... Nope we are talking about "God's most blessed nation", the "beacon for Democracy and Freedom" the US of A.

Oh how the mighty have fallen... If Bush and his cohorts had any confidence in their evidence they would hand these people over the UN and the Hague to be tried for crimes against humanity... They haven't got the conviction in their convictions to do this so why on earth should we believe this is anything but a farce!

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Springtime for Cheney and Waterboards
Posted by: hquain on Feb 13, 2008 2:29 AM   
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It's easy to see the plan: show trials, dragging on through the election year; "revelations" at key junctures in the campaign, etc. Use of the process and the verdict as post hoc proof that torture & Guantanamo have saved our fine nation.

But it's so stupid. It will foul the US sense of superiority as irredeemably as torture has fouled the evidence.

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Golly Gee
Posted by: GollyGee on Feb 13, 2008 6:51 AM   
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Launching these show trials now is a very reckless political ploy — how can it be explained except by desperation?

I doubt Rove would have allowed anything like this. Way, way too risky. It's certain to backfire.

So dumb it could only come from the minds of Bush and Cheney left on their own. Further evidence everyone with any sense has now jumped ship.

Nobody, I mean nobody, is going to want anything to do with this baby. Let's see how they back-peddle. Just watch.

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» RE: Golly Gee Posted by: Quannah
fdawei
Posted by: fdawei on Feb 13, 2008 7:24 AM   
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Howard Schultz must be in heaven knowing his coffee has trickled down the throats of the detainees at Guantanamo, and that his brand has received such broad coverage. Perhaps that's a new sales channel - Starbucks in prisons.

Was the coffee served perhaps laced with truth enhancers?

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» RE: fdawei Posted by: badkitty
Firing Squad training
Posted by: GPFrank on Feb 13, 2008 7:51 AM   
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So the sentence is pronounced. With this being military I assume it will be the firing squad.
Will there be volunteers for this onerous job?
Will they be running, rifles in hand/ to be appointed? Will there be the customary 20 or to make it grand, to make it 50? Will they first have target practice or will they be poor shots to terrorize them to the end? Will the convicted scream when the bullet hits them elsewhere but mortally? Will Bush and Cheney, never having fired a shot in anger (except at tame birds) join them to get their chance?

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» RE: Firing Squad training Posted by: Quannah
Do a search on youtube for 'pakistan police brutality'
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Feb 13, 2008 1:19 PM   
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then after watching the video clips decide if you can trust anything, anything at all that comes from KSM or any other alleged 9/11 terrorists.

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ON TRIAL Should Be a Washington-MSM Cesspit
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Feb 13, 2008 1:37 PM   
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As a vile swamp for an established cover-up at 9/11 with endless and criminal blood money hoax "war on terror" much of DC wants to extend for "100 years".

The U.S. isn't just despised the world over for allowing corporate crime to rule the nation as a global Fascist extortion and protection racket. At this point most Americans must be considered effectively mindless or vicious loons, if not some combination of both.

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This is not about justice
Posted by: sausage on Feb 13, 2008 1:54 PM   
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Executing Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and five other Guantanamo detainees as absolutely nothing to do with justice and everything to do with silencing people who, if they ever are released alive, might just spill the beans on who knew what and when, then shut up about it before September 11, 2001.

In some civilized nations our current pResident, George W. Bush, Vice pResident, Richard Cheney, and others in the Cabinet and Pentagon hierarchy are considered war criminals and, should they set foot in any of these countries, will be treated as such. In a sane world redition and a speedy trial for war crimes committed against humanity at the World Court in The Hague, Netherlands, would be just deserts for Iraq, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and domestic intrurusions, breaches and disregard of Contiutional law and custom.

But of course the law breakers of the Bush administration will escape all justice, poetic and otherwise.

The quick executions of the Gitmo-Five reeks of Mafia Dons rubbing out squealers. It is the action of petty dictators and common thugs.

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Legitimizing Guantanamo and "The War on Terror"
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 13, 2008 2:31 PM   
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This is really about legitimizing Guantanamo and the "war on terror." If some prisoners in Guantanamo are not found "guilty" and summarily executed, then, what does that say about the entire Guantanamo operation to begin with? And, what does it say about the billions and billions spent on "the war on terror?" No, somebody must be made to pay, otherwise the entire edifice will collapse. The illegal spying, the eavesdropping without warrants, the war, the torture, the extraordinary renditions. We need culprits, people to pin the blame on. What better then some poor Muslim slugs, beaten to confess while their holy Koran was flushed down the toilet. The perfect setup, and the perfect victims.

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» "We need culprits" ... Posted by: Cathyc
The Guantanamo trial timetable now through 20 January 2009
Posted by: Liamusa1942 on Feb 13, 2008 3:00 PM   
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OK, here's the drill so you can mark your calendars. These six prisoners must be convicted and executed before Bush leaves office on 20 January 2009. He cannot leave any of them alive and available for direct questioning by any legal inquiry or authority trying to determine the ways they were tortured and the kinds, provability and provenance of the evidence used against them. Of course, to execute them, they must be convicted and sentenced beforehand, preferably within the 10 days preceding the election on 4 November 2008. From August through mid-October of this year expect a series of leaks from the Guantanamo tribunals that reveal the horrendous number of ghastly attacks on the United States that have been prevented by an astute, pull-no-punches Bush administration. (These Islamofascists on trial, or their accomplices still at large, would have succeeded in all or almost all of these attacks on our sacred soil if the American people had been reliant for their salvation on those candy-assed, international-treaty-constrained Democrats WHO AT THIS VERY MINUTE ARE TRYING TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY AND CONTROL OF CONGRESS in the upcoming election). During the same timeframe (August-October) there may be intermittent rumors, dutifully fanned in the major American media, that bin Laden has been sighted and we are hot, hot, hot on his tail. But failing bin Laden's capture before 4 November, the American public will be relieved and acquiesce at least in the conviction and condemnation of these six terrorists at Guantanamo (they ARE terrorists, aren't they, huh? The govenment says so, RIGHT?). How do I, a nobody, know all of this? Because I have an IQ above 100, have recognized the cruel and perverse human potential in my own heart, read world history and the foreign press in original languages, and have watched for eight years now the unrelenting duplicity of the Bush administration, the cowardly complacency of Congress and the abysmal and therefore CULPABLE ignorance of my fellow citizens. Just for the hell of it, mark your calendars for the rest of 2008.

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THIS JUST IN...
Posted by: Quannah on Feb 13, 2008 4:18 PM   
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The Senate just passed a bill making waterboarding illegal!!!

Oh, NOW they do it! But they will pass legislation legalizing syping on us and immunity for the telecoms!

This bunch is simply bat-shit crazy.

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You Are All Idiots
Posted by: gradioc on Feb 13, 2008 5:55 PM   
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You people have no concept of what it takes to run an empire. These trials are exactly what is neccesary to maintain the power of the leader. I am so proud that others have learned from my example. Truly, if I had spawned a political child, it would be George W. Bush. - Josef Stalin

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What a deal.
Posted by: mbruton on Feb 13, 2008 10:12 PM   
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At the current price of Starbuck's coffee, a triple vente mocha free with every water-boarding sounds like a pretty good deal.

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