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White House: We "Definitely Want To Consider" Using Waterboarding Again

Posted by Satyam Khanna, Think Progress at 1:10 PM on February 6, 2008.


Despite its hedging, the White House made clear today it very well may commit illegal torture again.
White House: We ‘Definitely Want To Consider’ Using Waterboarding Again

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In congressional testimony yesterday, CIA director Michael Hayden confirmed that his agency used waterboarding on three al Qaeda suspects. In 2006, Hayden banned the use of waterboarding in CIA interrogations. The Pentagon also banned its employees from using it, and the FBI said its investigators do not use coercive tactics in interviewing terror suspects.

But in today's gaggle, White House said that it may approve the use of waterboarding again "depend[ing] upon circumstances":

"It will depend upon circumstances," spokesman Tony Fratto said, adding "the belief that an attack might be imminent, that could be a circumstance that you would definitely want to consider."

Later, in a press briefing, Fratto tried to distance himself from these remarks, claiming that he only was talking about "the process" of approving waterboarding. "I'm not speculating," he declared.

Fratto said this morning that if used again, waterboarding would "need the president's approval" and would notify "appropriate members of Congress."

Last week, Attorney General Michael Mukasey repeatedly refused to declare the practice illegal. Yesterday, Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell and CIA Director Michael Hayden "left open the option of reinstating it."

Despite its hedging, the White House made clear today it very well may commit illegal torture again.

Transcript:

QUESTION: Earlier, you suggested that it would not be ruled out for possible use in the future.

FRATTO: Again, I think I'd refer you to the testimony yesterday where the intelligence chiefs didn't rule anything out.

What I did talk about was the process whereby the administration would consider any enhanced interrogation techniques.

And that process includes the director of the Central Intelligence Agency bringing the proposal to the attorney general, where a review would be conducted to determine if the plan would be legal and effective. At that point, the proposal would go to the president. The president would listen to the determinations of his advisers and make a decision.

If he made a decision to authorize a specific interrogation technique, part of that process also involves going to the House and Senate Intelligence Committees and the chairmen and ranking members of the Judiciary Committees and to inform them that a change in the program has taken place.

QUESTION: But the fact that the process exists suggests that it could be used again? You're not ruling it out.

FRATTO: I'm not speculating at all on what circumstances in the future would cause the director of the CIA to make a proposal in that way. That's something for Director Hayden to address.

What we do know is that they're taking -- they take the interrogation program very seriously. They understand that it must be done with safeguards and under the rule of law.

Every interrogation technique used in this program was brought to the Department of Justice, and the Department of Justice made a determination as to its lawfulness. And that allowed the Central Intelligence Agency to move forward with their program.

Any change would follow the process that I just outlined.

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Satyam Khanna is a Research Associate for The Progress Report and ThinkProgress.org at the Center for American Progress.


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If the US government really needs to interrogate people
Posted by: www.democratz.org on Feb 6, 2008 7:24 PM   
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Then they need to use feathers and tickle a person until the person gives out the information.

Help us take back America.

Go see http://liberal.democratz.org

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If things were normal
Posted by: willymack on Feb 6, 2008 8:17 PM   
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And we still had a democracy, a statement such as the one made in favor of future waterboarding would be enough to topple the bush regime, but things aren't normal, are they? Too, too sad.

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THINGS ARE NOT NORMAL ...
Posted by: wilty on Feb 7, 2008 5:50 AM   
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As evidenced in what is being said, and the swagger in Mr. Fratto's repotorial style, I would say that waterboarding is being utilized,
as of right now, as I speak.

This is the Bushian way, all the way, all the time, with smoke, spooks and mirrors.

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Real Purpose of Torture
Posted by: pathways on Feb 7, 2008 6:47 AM   
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And as Naomi Wolfe points out in her book "The End of America", the real use of torture is not against the person being tortured but to "instruct" the remainder of the population.

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Nerve..
Posted by: andrushka on Feb 7, 2008 6:59 AM   
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Had Mrs. Pelosi had nerve, courage, guts, whatever you call it, to start impeachment procedures, we would not have to listen to Mr. Fratto's insanities! And those criminals in the White House and thereabouts, would be somewhere else (maybe being waterboarded themselves.... that would be funny!)

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Hypocrites
Posted by: QQOblivion on Feb 7, 2008 7:27 AM   
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Correct me if I am wrong. But haven't both Michael Mukasey and Mike McConnell said that waterboarding WOULD be torture if done to them personally? But when done to anyone else, well, then it is legal and not torture, I guess.
That just about sums up how Republicans in general feel about lots of issues. Me first. But the imprisoned, the weak, the wrongly-accused, hey, they can all go to literal Hell, in Republicans' opinion.
These people (those in the Bush administration) are evil, pure and simple.

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» RE: Hypocrites Posted by: jingles
who would jesus torture?
Posted by: whealeydj on Feb 7, 2008 12:42 PM   
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maybe the first attorney general under president Obama or Clinton will revisit whther those who advocated torture should be sent to the Hague for crimes against humanity.

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Side note
Posted by: 2dogarage on Feb 7, 2008 1:24 PM   
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In case anyone is wondering what is wrong with that reporters head, those are ashes, the Catholic season of Lent is upon us.

Wonder if refusing to pander to the corporate media agenda is on his list of things to give up for Lent?

I'm assuming not until hell freezes over.

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Deb
Posted by: debmcd on Feb 7, 2008 2:59 PM   
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Yes, I think waterboarding should be used. Definitely. On every single person in the government, intellegence community and the military who thinks it's okay to use. Maybe then we'd have the correct answer to "is waterboarding toture?"

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DID JESUS DIE IN VAIN?
Posted by: outrider on Feb 7, 2008 3:20 PM   
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There is nothing, absolutely nothing, as evil as torture except Bush and those who support torture in any form for any reason.

Any Congress person who fails to take any and all action necessary to impeach Bush and Cheney is condoning torture and is as evil as Bush.

Any candidate that supports torture is not worthy of the Presidency.

Any church that does not expel any member, including Bush and Cheney,who supports torture has lost its right to call itself a Christian church.

If the super power has to resort to medieval methods of obtaining intelligence, even assuming that it was effective, it can claim the title of the most evil wannabe empire in the history of the world.

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The vast majority of the Congress and the rest of the Federal Governement are Traitors, period.
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Feb 7, 2008 8:51 PM   
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Congress has set aside their two primary functions: Congressional oversight, and being the sole body capable of (legally) creating laws. They've sat there and allowed ALL of their Constitutionally derived prerogatives and DUTIES under the law to be usurped by cronies of this illegal Administrative Branch and by that branch itself, by the international corporations that are buying up our government, writing our laws to be rubber-stamped, and destroying everything else they touch, ESPECIALLY the electorate. This country - ALL OF IT - is being treated like a corporation that has been victim of a hostile takeover - which it has been - and is now in liquidation - which it also is. There is NO thought being given even to the money that could be made in the future if a few things were conserved and treated as the renewable resources they are - or were. They just do a scorched-earth harvest of everything they can get their slimy hands on and move on to the next thing they can steal and destroy.

Their clear intent is to leave America eyeball deep in generations worth of unpayable debt, with no resources remaining with which to repay it, no educational system capable of producing workers beyond the educational level of ditch diggers, and no rights that haven't been or can't be set aside at the whim of rulers we never elected, not elected officials - those are already nearly extinct creatures (like wolves, honey bees, polar bears, patriots, and anything else that can't be sold for a profit). There won't be any elected officials. Just holders of stolen offices and appointed, unqualified appointees, rich people looking for ways to steal the money out of any remaining entitlement programs, retirement funds, and the educational system (what's left of it) for their bonuses, and crony industrial representatives appointed to castrate all remaining government agencies and offices that were designed to protect We the People, our rights and the Commons Bush has been giving away right and left like they were his own personal property. Any intellectuals and activists will be occupying either graves or the gulags built by KBR. You know: the ones with the interconnecting train system that has cars with built-in leg-irons and handcuffs. Maybe they'll add a special ventilation system - the formula for Zyklon-B still exists, after all, and it worked fine last time.

CONTINUED ON NEXT POST

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CONTINUATION OF ABOVE POST BY IAN MACLEOD
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Feb 7, 2008 8:52 PM   
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I quit flying Old Glory the day we went into Iraq. Getting out there every morning cost me, too - I'm 100% disabled and in intractable pain, especially in the mornings, as well as taking care of a wife in end-stage COPD; it HURTS to make myself move come dawn, especially when I've been up most of the night, or several nights in a row because of my pain or her breathing trouble and pain, but I did it. That flag was a gift from the German friend who called me from Berlin in tears and woke me 9-11 morning to tell me to turn on the TV set. When he came to visit, he brought me that flag from Germany (made in Taiwan), which couldn't be had anywhere here at the time for love nor money. There were mujahideen all over Germany at the time, and someone had broken the rear window of his car, having seen that flag in the back of his car through the window; my friend was proud of it, and considered it a mark of honor to have such enemies. The only other two flags I had at the time were the flags I was given at at my parents funerals, six months almost to the day apart, as they were both wartime veterans, like my brother and like me. I actually considered flying one of those - for a short time.

I won't fly the American flag again until MY America is alive again. The way things are going, I doubt I will ever fly that flag again, though I pray I'm wrong. If I am wrong and we come out of this as the America my entire family risked our lives for in every generation as far back as I can trace, I'll fly that flag every day of my life for as long as I live.

Right now though, it looks like they'll all three go into an old Hope Chest one day, (assuming I don't have to hide them more carefully), as memorials and proof that once there WAS an America worth joining up and fighting for.

Ian

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