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Is John Edwards Really a Fighter? He Needs to Prove It on Telecom Immunity

Posted by Howie Klein, Down With Tyranny! at 7:20 AM on January 23, 2008.


Edwards should challenge his rivals Obama and Clinton to go back to Washington, DC and fight against retroactive immunity for the telecoms.
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Why do Senate Democrats keep electing fatally conflicted colleagues as their leaders? They didn't learn their lesson from red state compromiser Tom Daschle, who the Republicans could twist into a babbling pretzel anytime they wanted to by pitting the progressive national party against his... more conservative South Dakota constituents. So when the Republicans humiliated them by defeating their leader with a third rate hack, they promptly selected another vulnerable centrist would could be easily pulled in a dozen different directions by a dozen conflicting needs. To most Democrats-- the real ones in America, not the compromised careerists and bribe-besotted swine Inside the Beltway-- granting law breaking corporate executives (who helped Bush and Cheney shred the Constitution by spying on Americans) retroactive immunity is just plain wrong. (You can see how we got here here and here.) I think there are even a considerable number of Republican voters who would agree. I mean this crap is just plain unpatriotic and criminal-coddling.

This afternoon Jane put up a plea at FDL to the more progressive of the Democrats seeking the presidential nomination, John Edwards, to do what the compromised Insiders, Hillary and Obama, have refused to do: LEAD.

John Edwards should challenge his rivals Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to go back to Washington, DC and fight against retroactive immunity for the telecoms.

The Republicans are not going to let Reid punt and extend the Protect America Act for another 18 months so it looks like the FISA bill is going to come back up again on Monday. Chris Dodd's objection to Unanimous Consent still stands, so they will pick up in the middle of the Motion to Proceed debate.

Glenn Greenwald is also on the case. Corporate Media, of course, is demanding the Democrats-- who are always prone to do so without much pushing anyway-- to capitulate to Bush and the Far Right.

As always, conventional media wisdom is that Democrats will be harmed politically if they don't capitulate to the Big, Strong, Tough Republicans on all matters relating to national security (even though the efficacy of that fear-mongering tactic was empirically disproved in 2006). But isn't it painfully evident that a far greater liability for Democrats at this point than being "soft on terrorism" is their refusal and failure to demonstrate that they will take a stand -- any stand -- against this extremely weakened President and his discredited political party, and therefore prove they stand for something?

The only way for there to be any prospect of impeding Bush's most extreme demands for vast warrantless eavesdropping powers and immunity for lawbreaking telecoms is for the presidential candidates -- Obama, Edwards and Clinton -- to demonstrate (rather than speak about) real "leadership" and take a stand in support of Chris Dodd and his imminent filibuster. There will be campaigns beginning this week to persuade and pressure them to do so -- I will be posting extensively about them here. Any efforts to stop warrantless eavesdropping and telecom immunity is almost certain to fail without the active support of the presidential candidates, who these days have a virtual monopoly on the ability to set agendas and shape media attention.

The three leading recipients of telecom money for this election cycle are, unsurprisingly, [starting with "Mr. Clean Filthy"] the three sitting Senators running for President (with two Democratic members who are key to amnesty -- Jay Rockefeller and [surprise, surprise] Rahm Emanuel -- close behind). That's how "Washington works" -- the process they are all pledging to battle and change. Needless to say, all of the viable GOP presidential candidates will be blindly supportive of whatever surveillance powers and lawbreaking immunity the President demands, but thus far, Obama and (less emphatically) Clinton have both claimed that they oppose such measures and thus pledged to support a Dodd-led filibuster.

But that will have meaning only if there is an active effort on their part. It will be increasingly difficult to listen to Edwards, Obama and Clinton tout their supreme leadership attributes and their commitment to "changing the way Washington works" if they choose to sit by, more or less mute, and allow such a blatant and corrupt evisceration of the rule of law -- and such a vast and permanent expansion of the limitless surveillance state -- to occur without a fight. Any one of them, or all three, has a unique opportunity to actually demonstrate with actions, rather than pretty speeches, their commitment to the principles they claim to espouse.

Is Edwards just another Insider faker or will he stop talking about being a leader and BE a leader? We already know that neither Clinton nor Obama is even capable of such a thing, not in any real sense.

UPDATE: BUSH DEMANDS RETROACTIVE IMMUNITY BY FEBRUARY 1-- OR ELSE

"Putting off the vote for a second time riled White House officials and Republicans on Tuesday, because they insist that national security will be put at risk if Congress does not meet a Feb. 1 deadline to amend the eavesdropping law." So? Who gives a damn if these clowns are riled. The most hated man to ever occupy the White House is going to call Democrats names? Who cares what George Bush or his despised surrogates say about anything? If he doesn't get retroactive immunity for his cronies and campaign contributors does that mean he won't be able to find Osama bin-Laden? Does it mean Rudy Giuliani will put on an evening gown and go on all the late night shows and talk about how he save America after 9/11? Or does it mean Jay Rockefeller will switch parties so he can feel good about all the bribes he takes from the telecom companies he's supposed to be watching?

Advocates for civil liberties fault the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, for what they see as a weak effort to block the White House immunity plan. Mr. Reid opposes immunity, but his decision to allow an initial vote on the Intelligence Committee plan, with immunity, has angered opponents.

"If Senator Reid wanted to win, he would have put the judiciary vote on the floor first," Caroline Frederickson, director of the Washington legislative office of the American Civil Liberties Union, said. "It seems as if he wants to lose."

...Even if the Senate does approve a bill that includes immunity, it seems unlikely that such a plan could be signed into law before the Feb. 1 deadline, Congressional officials said.

Because the House has passed a measure that did not include immunity, the issue would first have to go before a conference committee to work out an agreement between the two versions. That could take weeks.

And who in the House has taken the most bribes from the telecoms? Not an actual Republican, but Rahm Emanuel. You want to count on him to defend our civil liberties?

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Howie Klein is the creator of the blog Down With Tyranny!


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GIVE EDWARDS A CHANCE
Posted by: DEBKAMAINE on Jan 23, 2008 7:59 AM   
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I am on the run and can't respond to the entire article. What I am responding to is this: How can Edwards stand for anything if the MEDIA IS going to IGNORE HIM?!?!?

I am for Edwards because he has the GUTS to take on corporations and corporate Congressmen. Today, I heard Norm Ormsby say that he likes some things about Clinton and that Inuhof went to one of her parties, because he likes the fact that she "reaches across the aisle." Right now, I am not looking to reach across the aisle, I am looking for Democrats to act as Democrats.

So, with Edwards, I think that he is the ONLY one who is speaking up against the norm, the stranglehold that corporations have on Congress, but HE IS NOT GETTING ANY MEDIA.

I am an Edwards person, so I DO notice that he is left out ALL THE TIME of Clinton-Obama discussions.

I have to wonder.....why is Diebold setting machines in favor of Clinton. Diebold-Bush...remember. Diebold-Clinton...hmmmmmmmmmm.

Let's give Edwards a chance. At least he is NAMING IT.....nobody else is. He is CONFRONTING it, nobody else is. We never were given a chance with Kucinich, let us not kill the only one who IS standing up to government as usual.

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» RE: GIVE EDWARDS A CHANCE Posted by: rew1956
» RE: GIVE EDWARDS A CHANCE Posted by: luckypuck
bad advice for Edwards, sending him to the thorn bush
Posted by: ncvoter on Jan 23, 2008 8:02 AM   
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hmmm Howard Dean was on an upward trajectory until he took on the media, and you want Edwards to do that now.

We all know that the mainstream media is owned by the same people who profit from the war and all of the other mayhem and madness.

Why do you want Edwards to piss off the media?

So they can sabotage his candidacy when it finally may see the light of day?

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Ain't Going To Happen
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jan 23, 2008 9:54 AM   
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Obama, Clinton, and Edwards take a REAL stand along with Chris Dodd? Ain't going to happen. The fires of Hell will be as cold as Hillary's demeanor before these "Democrats" (although I could be being tough on Edwards, but not enough on the other two) get the balls necessary to stand up to the Bush administration.
By the way, Harry Reid has got to go. But the Democrats in the Senate don't have the guts to replace him, let alone to stand up for the Constitution. Cowards. How are they going to be "tough on terror" if they don't have the bones necessary to stand up to the greatest war-criminals of our time, Bush and his boys!?

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jeanruss
Posted by: jeanruss on Jan 23, 2008 6:33 PM   
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I thought this was a weird request. I watched Jane on c-span about a month ago, and the topic was the elections. She barely mentioned John Edwards, ignoring him as much as the msm usually does. Now she wants him to go to D.C., where he has not gotten almost any endorsements and start a fight. I think it's odd to ask Edwards, who isn't even a standing Senator to do this first, yet the two Standing Senators are given a pass. So strange. Just as Edwards star is starting to rise again, they seem to want to damage him. It is obvious that the Congress and the media loathe Edwards. I think he's smart enough to try to win the battles he can. It's the elected officials job to stop the telecoms. Edwards will do what he's supposed to when he has some real power. Look at what they did to Kucinich regarding impeachment just today. These two guys have No friends in the Congress, it is that corrupt.

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» RE: Not so weird Posted by: luckypuck
DEBKAMAINE
Posted by: luckypuck on Jan 24, 2008 12:56 AM   
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You CAN do something! Go here http://www.johnedwards.com/about/contact/form/ and tell him you support him. Tell him not to give up (he won’t). Tell him what you want him to do. Tell him you think that he is being grossly and intentionally under-reported in the media, but there is a vast internet support group behind him. Send him Alternet’s URL and any other URL you know of that contains plenty of support for him.

BTW: After Obama’s comments that Reagan was a good leader about some issues, I have stopped supporting him. Reagan began this slide into the muck we have today with only an eight year respite with Bill Clinton (and there was LOTS of issues on which I disagreed with him). The problem for me is if Obama wins the nomination, I’ll HAVE to vote for him. It was the same with Kerry. When I voted for him I was voting for the best of the worst. Same to some degree with Al Gore. Edwards is the first one I feel good voting for (if he gets the nomination) since Clinton.

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