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400,000 People Landed on FBI's Terrorism 'Watch-List'?

Posted by Steven D., Booman Tribune at 9:30 AM on November 2, 2009.


Everywhere you look, a terrorist!

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The FBI has a Terror Watch List of 400,000 names on it. Does that seem extreme to you? Because it seems absolutely insane to me.

Newly released FBI data offer evidence of the broad scope and complexity of the nation's terrorist watch list, documenting a daily flood of names nominated for inclusion to the controversial list.

During a 12-month period ended in March this year, for example, the U.S. intelligence community suggested on a daily basis that 1,600 people qualified for the list because they presented a "reasonable suspicion," according to data provided to the Senate Judiciary Committee by the FBI in September and made public last week. [...]

The ever-churning list is said to contain more than 400,000 unique names and over 1 million entries. The committee was told that over that same period, officials asked each day that 600 names be removed and 4,800 records be modified. Fewer than 5 percent of the people on the list are U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents. Nine percent of those on the terrorism list, the FBI said, are also on the government's "no fly" list.

I have to wonder if we are slowing turning our "security forces" into the equivalent of East Germany's notorious Stasi where everyone informs on everyone else and thee FBI keeps a record on everyone for any possible "anti-government" comment or association.

I can't even see the value of a list that large. All it does is make it harder to spot and investigate the real terror suspects from the mass of innocent people who likely will never commit a crime (outside a traffic offense), much less an act of terror. Once a list of this size is compiled, however, it takes on a life of its own. I strongly suspect that a list this large has little value as an investigative tool. What it does represent, however is far more ominous: a centralized state security apparatus that cannot stop itself from intruding into every aspect of our lives. As with the data bases compiled by the Pentagon and the NSA, this is just another sign that our fear of terrorism has allowed the Constitution to be gutted like a dead fish.

Hey, isn't that what all you tea-baggers complain about? Losing your freedoms? Well people, when the FBI can add names to a terror watgh list willy-nilly with little if any oversight, when the NSA can read all your emails and text messages, when the Pentagon keeps a data base of Vegan groups and Quakers, don't you think we've crossed a line. Maybe you could show some common cause with us on the left and start demanding our government dial back its absurd attempts to catalog every piece of information about everyone. After all, there's a scary Democrat as the head of the executive branch. I for one don't think it matters much which party heads up the federal government, if the security apparatus of that government gathers and controls all this information and assigns people to "terror lists" under cover of secrecy and national security. This ought to be a concern for every American, regardless of political affiliation.

Because, political parties come and go, but security forces, the people we don't vote into office, never die. Maybe we all ought to spend some time figuring out what they have been doing this last decade, and trimming their powers and limiting their activities. Unless you really do want to wake up someday with a police state. Trust me, Left or Right makes no difference if that is the end result.

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Why...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Nov 2, 2009 11:30 AM   
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Why do you think they do things like take photos of the faces of people at protests?

Oh, but of course... not at those tea bagger protests.

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Smile, You're On Candid Camera
Posted by: QQOblivion on Nov 2, 2009 12:11 PM   
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A stat I find interesting is that only 9% of those on the "terror" list are also on the no-fly list.

I guess either someone doesn't really think all those 400000 people are actually terrorists (because if they are, we are screwed), or someone should probably update the no-fly list pronto!

Ha!

Still, I know they are watching us. (Hello there, NSA!) Big Brother is the new (and permanent) normal.

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Smile, You're On Candid Camera
Posted by: QQOblivion on Nov 2, 2009 12:11 PM   
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A stat I find interesting is that only 9% of those on the "terror" list are also on the no-fly list.

I guess either someone doesn't really think all those 400000 people are actually terrorists (because if they are, we are screwed), or someone should probably update the no-fly list pronto!

Ha!

Still, I know they are watching us. (Hello there, NSA!) Big Brother is the new (and permanent) normal.

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» RE: Smile, You're On Candid Camera Posted by: Sister_Lauren
Injustice
Posted by: QQOblivion on Nov 2, 2009 12:56 PM   
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This has real-world significance. The 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals has just ruled that a man WRONGLY picked up for "terrorism" CANNOT sue the US government for rendering him to Syria to be tortured.

Why not? "National security, blah blah blah".

The constitutional rights group that was defending the tortured man rightfully claims that this ruling basically means that the executive branch can do ANYTHING to us, and not be held accountable at all.

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Here's a suggestion
Posted by: DynamicDriveler on Nov 2, 2009 1:04 PM   
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America why don't you just put all 6 billion names of the planet's population outside of the US of A on that watch list - that way no one can visit or enter your country and you'll fi9nally be "safe"

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This process is clearly out of control. Have we already lost our freedom?
Posted by: Paul_C on Nov 2, 2009 1:37 PM   
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How are we to believe anything these agencies "tell" us, especially since everything has been classified as secret? And we know from past experience that "our" Congressmen are bought and paid for and don't see anything wrong with our new found police state.

Top it off with a "news" media that fawns like frightened little puppies before the tremendous power of our corporate state and you have the final piece of a totalitarian hell.

That 5 percent stated in the article as being US citizens still represents 20,000 Americans being considered as potential terrorists. And, again, that is assuming these numbers are somehow verifiable, but why should we believe that to be the case if no one is overseeing any of this?

We know from earlier testimony and FOIA data that hundreds of dossiers are being kept on citizen groups involved with nothing more clandestine than opposing corruption, war or despoiling of our beautiful country.

Indeed, it has been proven in civil cases that the FBI from its inception has been targeting populist leaders. It would not require much imagination to take that one step further and imagine they have been assassinating them, especially considering the interesting fact that all of our leaders on the left have been assassinated while none on the right have been killed.

We do know that the FBI either facilitated or covered up the bombing of Earth First! activists in 1990 in a larger program of disinformation and smearing their good name.

Again, when everything is secret and everyone is a suspect what is left? What distinguishes us from a police state?

Cheney tried to take us to a military lockdown of our city streets. I think Bush feared that America wasn't ready for that degree of fascist control. But we are so close that you can feel the dank breath of the dungeons blowing across the back of your neck.

Remember this interesting statistic: the top 1 percent now owns 95 percent of the wealth in this country. In all but name we are already there folks. We are already there.

peace,
Paul

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Otto
Posted by: otto on Nov 3, 2009 6:26 AM   
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I always wonder if I'm on that list; anyone know how to find out? FOIA? I missed out on a teaching job in Detroit 15 years ago because I had been arrested in front of the White House years before, but only found out too late why I wasn't considered.

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Apart from the FBI monitoring protest groups
Posted by: zipper696 on Nov 3, 2009 7:23 AM   
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I suspect a large number of unfortunates have been nominated for surveillance by disgruntled people.
The Middle Eastern lecturer that gives someone "F"s, the Pakistani corner shop owner that bans child shoplifters, the Indonesian neighbor who never speaks but leaves each day for work. The Iraqi colleague who gets upset at water cooler talk of his homeland.

It just needs somebody to drop a dime to the Feds for that name to have a file, a background check and some preliminary surveillance. Even if totally in the clear, that file is there forever.

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Gary Webb on C.I.A. Trafficking of Cocaine
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 3, 2009 9:58 AM   
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400,000 ?
Posted by: Doubtom43 on Nov 4, 2009 10:15 AM   
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Gee, I'll bet anyone who has ever written a disgruntled Letter to the Editor is on that list. But the biggest criminals in the land aren't on the list! That's because they get to compile the list folks. They also get medals for choosing those who do get on the list.

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