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In NYT Interview, Obama Contradicts His Own Policy on Prisoners' Habeas Rights

Posted by Liliana Segura, AlterNet at 2:03 PM on March 8, 2009.


Obama said he thinks all detainees should have "an opportunity through habeas corpus to answer to charges." But his DOJ disagrees.
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On Friday, President Barack Obama gave a wide-ranging, 35-minute interview to the New York Times aboard Air Force One.

The transcript, available here, includes his answers on questions about the economy, Iraq and Afghanistan, whether we are a "nation of cowards," and whether he is actually "a socialist as some people have suggested."

The big headline of the interview was that Obama is contemplating reaching out to "elements of the Taliban" in an effort to duplicate the U.S. military strategy in Iraq.

"If you talk to Gen. Petraeus," he told Times reporter Jeff Zeleny, "I think he would argue that part of the success in Iraq involved reaching out to people that we would consider to be Islamic fundamentalists, but who were willing to work with us because they had been completely alienated by the tactics of al-Qaida in Iraq. There may be some comparable opportunities in Afghanistan and the Pakistani region."

Although his answers were typically deliberate and carefully worded, Obama shared one critical insight on his administration's approach to counterterrorism that directly contradicted its recent actions.

Responding to a question about the policy of continuing renditions -- a policy that is ostensibly still being determined -- Obama emphasized that "we don't torture" and that he will ensure that we "ultimately provide anybody that we're detaining an opportunity through habeas corpus to answer to charges."

But, according to the Times, "aides later said Mr. Obama did not mean to suggest that everybody held by American forces would be granted habeas corpus or the right to challenge their detention."

"In a court filing last month," wrote Times reporters Helene Cooper and Sheryl Gay Stolberg, "the Obama administration agreed with the Bush administration position that 600 prisoners in a cavernous prison on the American air base at Bagram in Afghanistan have no right to seek their release in court.

"Instead, aides said Mr. Obama's comment referred only to a Supreme Court decision last year finding that prisoners held at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, have the right to go to federal court to challenge their continued detention."

Why the prisoners at Bagram would be treated by a different standard than those at Guantanamo went unaddressed. But the contradiction underscored the widespread concern that the Afghan air base has become Obama's Guantanamo.

"Mr. Obama signaled that those on the left seeking a wholesale reversal of Mr. Bush's detainee policy might be disappointed."

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Tagged as: new york times, supreme court, afghanistan, barack obama, guantánamo, bagram air base, air force one iraq

Liliana Segura is a staff writer and editor of AlterNet's Rights and Liberties and War on Iraq Special Coverage.


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I've already biffed this one out on another article.
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 8, 2009 3:31 PM   
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It was a slightly more hysterical one, charging that "Obama Says Prisoners Have No Rights!!!"

What the aides contradicted was not the fact that each prisoner will have his day to answer charges, but whether or not the rule under which the day in court is granted is habeas corpus, and whether the forum is the civil courts or the Courts Martial.

I don't feel the remotest need to go over that road again. If it isn't too much trouble, try to get the FACTS before you start screaming for the President's head on a plate. Or at least acknowledge that you just like screaming for heads, his in particular, or just need excuses for screaming because you like doing it.

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You don't get it..........9/11 wiped out habeus corpus and the rest of our rights forever
Posted by: pfgetty on Mar 9, 2009 5:01 AM   
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9/11 was engineered to wipe out all of the Constitutional rights. Obama will not change that, because he will not expose 9/11 for the inside job that it was.

We will live the rest of our lives with the trashing of the Constitution and constant wars and occupations............unless our society and the United States completely collapses, which is likely.

And all this because of the press.........the msm, but also the alternative media, like ALTERNET. All of the press has conspired to keep 9/11 truth from the American people. Had they no done this, the American people would see that 9/11 was an inside job, and the wars and occupations are contrived, all based on fabricated events and the fear that came from that day of horror.

Our enemy is our government. And our press, including Alternet, works for the government. Any media source that will not engage the 9/11 story, the biggest story in history, is obviously part of the conspiracy.

Alternet...........you could change it all. Expose the lies of 9/11. Now. Don't put it off. Do the moral thing. Our kids and grandkids are relying on you.

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Bagram is a hellhole
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Mar 9, 2009 8:13 AM   
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Ever since the Supremes ruled that Gitmo prisoners had a right to habeus corpus, all the administration has ever done is route prisoners to Bagram. The conditions there are deplorable.

Bush's Living Legacy at Bagram Prison

Obama is no different than Bush on foreign policy. Domestic policy maybe, but not foreign policy.

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Bagram is a hellhole
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Mar 9, 2009 8:13 AM   
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Ever since the Supremes ruled that Gitmo prisoners had a right to habeus corpus, all the administration has ever done is route prisoners to Bagram. The conditions there are deplorable.

Bush's Living Legacy at Bagram Prison

Obama is no different than Bush on foreign policy. Domestic policy maybe, but not foreign policy.

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UNDOING THE DAMAGE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 9, 2009 8:29 AM   
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9/11 provided George Bush with all he needed to become a dictator, and so he did. It also provided him with a nation of people who "did as they were told". That's what fightened people do. He took credit after that for the fact that we were not attacked again under his watch, so he must be doing something right. Much of what he put in place is wrong and should be reversed. But to expect Obama to reverse everything ovenight is too much to ask. If he did that he would set himself and us up for a disaster. The least little thing that went wrong would prove Bush right. Obama is in a tough spot. I understand moving slowly on these changes. It's true there have been no incidents since 9/11, there certainly was a huge one ON 9/11. And there's more to it than religious fanatics and Osama binLaden. Obama can chip away at restoring rights, but a major overhaul is a long way off. Thanks, ANNA

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Rights of Prisoners
Posted by: Urgelt on Mar 9, 2009 11:54 AM   
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There is a legal distinction to be drawn here.

A nation can detain people accused of crimes which fall into its hands; it's a sovereign power. In the US, Habeas Corpus establishes a rule: if you detain a suspected criminal, the suspect gets "his day in court" and the government must present its evidence against him. He has rights.

A nation can also detain enemy fighters, soldiers, call them what you will, captured on a battlefield in time of war. In this case Habeas Corpus is irrelevant. The relevant laws are established by the Geneva Conventions, to which the United States is a signatory.

The legal situation for the prisoners we've accumulated in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere during the prosecution of the "War on Terror" are these:

- There was no declaration of war. "Authorizing the use of force" is not a declaration of war.

- Assertion by the previous President that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to prisoners accumulated in the "war" that is not a war.

- Assertion by the previous President that prisoners accumulated in the "war" are also not entitled to Habeas Corpus and due process.

The prisoners are therefore neither fish nor fowl. They are denied both Habeas Corpus and rights under the Geneva Conventions. They were no rights at all. This is the legal and public relations mess left behind by the last Administration.

The Obama Administration, it seems to me, has to classify every prisoner as to which set of rights pertain, and grant those rights to them.

It would help if we would stop using our military force to destroy other nation's sovereignty without a declaration of war, but I see no sign that Obama is as concerned about that as I am.

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