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California to Investigate Mormons' Political Involvement With Prop 8

Posted by Melissa McEwan, Shakesville at 8:02 AM on November 26, 2008.


I quite genuinely do not understand how the Mormon Church can keep its federal tax-exempt status after its meddling in Prop 8.

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California's Fair Political Practices Commission, which oversees state campaign finance laws, will launch an inquiry after a complaint was filed on November 13:

California officials will investigate accusations that the Mormon Church neglected to report a battery of nonmonetary contributions -- including phone banks, a Web site and commercials -- on behalf of a ballot measure to ban same-sex marriage.
... The complaint, filed by Fred Karger, founder of the group Californians Against Hate, asserted that the church's reported contributions -- about $5,000, according to state election filings -- vastly underestimated its actual efforts in passing Proposition 8, which amended the state's Constitution to recognize only male-female marriage.
Broadly speaking, California state law requires disclosure of any money spent or services provided to influence the outcome of an election.
... Mr. Karger's complaint paints a sweeping picture of the involvement by the church leadership, and raises questions about who paid for out-of-state phone banks and grass-roots rallies in California before the Nov. 4 vote.
"Who paid for the buses, travel costs, meals and other expenses of all the Mormon participants?" the complaint reads. "No contributions were reported."
The complaint also touches on a five-state simulcast from church leaders to Mormon congregations, as well as a Web site, preservingmarriage.org, that featured a series of videos advocating passage of the ballot measure and is labeled "an official Web site" of the Mormon Church.
...Mr. Karger said he respected the right of Mormons to vote in line with their religious beliefs, but added "if they're going to play politics, then they need to play by the rules."
Indeed.A spokesperson for the church had no comment on the specific accusations, but said they would cooperate with the investigation. One hopes more readily than they complied with the law, ahem.

Relatedly, I quite genuinely do not understand how the Mormon Church can keep its federal tax-exempt status after its meddling in Prop 8. They want to preach from the pulpit that same-sex marriage is immoral; fine, wev, bigot-a-go-go all you like. But as soon as that belief compels political action, no more tax free yum-yum. That's the rule. Or at least, it's supposed to be.I swear we could solve this fiscal crisis in one fell swoop if we collected from every conservative religious organization the back taxes owed from the moment they got political and thereby voluntarily rescinded their tax-exempt status. Focus on the Family alone could probably bail out the Big Three.

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Melissa McEwan writes and edits the blog Shakespeare's Sister.


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Better yet... If they are going to "Play Politics"...
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Nov 26, 2008 10:38 AM   
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Take away their "Tax Free Exemption"!

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Take away their tax exemption
Posted by: Charlow on Nov 26, 2008 10:53 AM   
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Proposition 8 was bought and paid for by "the Authorities" in Salt Lake City. I do believe that they have violated laws regarding taxation of charitable and religious institutions by sponsoring this legislation. They went so far, early in the campaign, to read a letter in all of their churches in California, that urged all members to support Proposition 8. It is one thing for any church's members to support a political candidate or legislation. It is another entirely for such an organization to institutionally support either candidates or legislation, complete with material, in-kind, and actual financial contributions. Assets that the Mormons' members paid for in their tithe offerings were used as sites for discussions, meetings, and other gatherings in support of Proposition 8. Federal tax law exempts non-profit organizations from taxation, but in exchange such organizations are required to abstain from political activity. The Mormon church has violated this requirement and thus, they should be stripped of their tax exemption. This church is extremely wealthy, with many corporate and land holdings. They are also extremely secretive, not disclosing details of their finances except to a select few insiders. I expect that the taxes this church would have to pay would go a long way toward helping meet the budget shortfall of not only the federal government, but state and local governments as well in areas where they have extensive holdings.

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Because of how tax laws are written and because of the 1st amendment...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Nov 26, 2008 1:41 PM   
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Relatedly, I quite genuinely do not understand how the Mormon Church can keep its federal tax-exempt status after its meddling in Prop 8. They want to preach from the pulpit that same-sex marriage is immoral; fine, wev, bigot-a-go-go all you like. But as soon as that belief compels political action, no more tax free yum-yum. That's the rule.

You can't advocate for or against a person or political party and keep your tax free status.

It's the difference between saying that "Call Joe The Baby Eating Republican and tell him that dining on children is not what we mean by 'family values'"

and saying

"Vote No to Joe the Republican!"

One urges you to express your ideal against eating babies, the other tells you how you should vote in an election.

So, there's the free speech side. More directly related to the CA issue, you get the difference between advocating for/against a person or party and for a ballot initiative to amend the CA Constitution, no? So there's the Federal issue.

The investigation will reveal whether the Mormons broke CA law. Depending on whether they don't amend that part retroactively, of course.

And that, my young ones, is why democracy isn't an inherently good or decent things: you can have 51 of 100 neighbors vote to make you pay for the barbeque; you can have the same amount vote against giving you the privilege of marriage that they themselves enjoy*

*although, technically, that's not what happened...

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» See also... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: See also... Posted by: Longdream
Tax the Churches
Posted by: corgyn on Nov 26, 2008 1:48 PM   
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There can be no true separation of Church & State until the majority of tax exemptions are removed.

The Mormon support of Prod 8 is just the most obvious example, the entire Catholic Church, all those right-wing evangelical temples and the declarations they make about issues and candidates and how to vote should just make us all realize that none of them play by the rules. So let's change the rules!

As an atheist, I have no place to hide money from the tax man. Just because you live by myth & superstitions you get a discount?

Tax the Morons!

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» RE: Tax the Churches Posted by: corgyn
» RE: Tax the Churches Posted by: Longdream
» Unrealistic. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: Unrealistic. No shit. Posted by: Longdream
» Gee whiz. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» P.S. Consult a third grader... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: Nothing at all to say? Posted by: Longdream
» Discussion wouldn't be productive. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» "Why don't you answer them." Posted by: ABetterFuture
The question
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Nov 27, 2008 9:06 AM   
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"I quite genuinely do not understand how the Mormon Church can keep its federal tax-exempt status after its meddling in Prop 8."

Clearly they have sufficient $$$$$ to buy those who might correct this.

Just how much credence can be attached to ANYONE who gets sucked in by someone talking about imaginary gold tablets while they are prohibited from seeing them?

Flimflammery.

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» RE: The question Posted by: Longdream
The POINT SHOULD BE PURSUED. ON MONDAY NOV 3 A GENTLEMAN SAT DOWN
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Nov 27, 2008 4:22 PM   
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with us to have coffee. He was steamed. On Sunday his preacher had told his congregation to vote for John McCain. He was shocked that the congregation did not respond. He walked out.

This happens regularly. The Mormon church does need to be pursued in the courts. The real question probably is not whether they are guilty but rather how far reaching is it. Does every Mormon ward go taxable? Do only those participating wards go taxable? Does the central church hierarchy go taxable?

The churches have not understood. Separation of church and state is a two way street. Their reward for staying out of politics has been religious freedom. They are risking regulation and/or risking a state religion.

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» Good grief. What a backwards notion. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: Good grief, what an ass! Posted by: Longdream
The voters in CA spoke - Prop 8 is the law!
Posted by: robinsdean on Nov 29, 2008 7:15 PM   
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For the second time the voters of California took it upon themselves to create a law that the majority of folks all across this fine nation want - it passed, again, and now Proposition 8 is the Law in California. It is hoped the courts will sustain this constitutional amendment created by the people of the state. It is such a shame that some misguided people want greater rights that put them above equality. Equal is equal - marriage is a legal definition that can only encompass one man and one woman!

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