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Pseudo-science Blames Coming Depression on Boobs

Posted by Amanda Marcotte, Pandagon at 6:25 AM on April 9, 2008.


Apparently, the patriarchy can do no wrong.

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Sometimes I think the "Science for Choads" section would be better called the "Science Reporting for Choads", but that would be too narrow to include all the people that make science-y sounding claims with absolutely no evidence to back it up. Via Echidne, the latest "science confirms all your gender prejudices" story is particularly nasty in terms of implication and timing.

WASHINGTON - A new brain-scan study may help explain what's going on in the minds of financial titans when they take risky monetary gambles -- sex. When young men were shown erotic pictures, they were more likely to make a larger financial gamble than if they were shown a picture of something scary, such a snake, or something neutral, such as a stapler, university researchers reported.
The arousing pictures lit up the same part of the brain that lights up when financial risks are taken.
"You have a need in an evolutionary sense for both money and women. They trigger the same brain area," said Camelia Kuhnen, a Northwestern University finance professor who conducted the study with a Stanford University psychologist.
Remember: The capitalist patriarchy can do no wrong. That is the first rule. Everything that goes wrong is due to effeminate liberals or actual women.

The war would have gone smashing if not for the effeminate peace movement that stabbed the country in the back, just like a bitch would. Hell, why "stab in the back"? Why not "poison the eggs" to drive home the point? The inevitable abuses when you give men power over women -- rape, domestic violence -- women's fault, of course, for starting shit. Women's inequalities? Women's choice.

But it's going to be hard to explain how a male-dominated financial sector that gambled and deregulated our economy to shreds is actually innocent, because it's some bitches that did it. But here's your proof: These guys would have sober, cautious, hard-working members of society who give back instead of getting greedy if women didn't flaunt the boobage. Housing crisis is all about those terrible women with the sex.

So, we have a finance professor who concludes that this is all the proof you need that women's sexuality is to blame for everything. And in case you didn't get the point, men's stupidity when it comes to the all-powerful female sexuality is to blame for our current economic situation -- you know, instead of greed and deregulation and engineering the tax structure to drain the middle class of wealth and the war.

The link between sex and greed goes back hundreds of thousands of years, to men's evolutionary role as provider or resource gatherer to attract women, said Kevin McCabe, professor of economics, law and neuroscience at George Mason University, who wasn't part of the study.
"Risk-taking is a natural way of increasing your relative success, but, of course, there's a downside to it, what we're seeing right now in the economy," McCabe said.
The truth appears to be more mundane, and is actually expressed in the story, before it's quickly covered up with more convenient quotes that put all the blame on the sexy, sexy ladies.
Stanford psychologist Brian Knutson, a lead author of the study, says it's all about the power of emotion and arousal and our financial decisions. The trigger doesn't have to be sex -- it could be chocolate or a winning lottery ticket.
"It didn't matter if the sexy woman didn't tell you anything about the odds of winning a roulette game," Knutson said. "What really matters is that the sexy woman is having an emotional impact. That bleeds over into your financial decisions."
My emphasis. It's worth noting, by the way, that the sample size was 15 college-aged men, who are a lot younger than the titans of finance, and they didn't bother to test women, saying they didn't know what pictures aroused women. (Which strikes me as pure bullshit -- actual sexuality researchers have shown for long time that while women might be put off intellectually by porn, either because of the contempt for women in much of it or because women know they're not supposed to like it or else they get called sluts, images of sex tend to get women as aroused as men.) But if you read a slightly less sensational version of the story, it turns out that the findings aren't so much that men get stupid when they see naked women -- making it easy to blame women for our current financial crisis -- but that once the pleasure parts of the brain are activated, people are more willing to engage in risky behavior. Which shouldn't surprise anyone that's caved and eaten a donut once smelled while on a diet.
Knutson and his colleagues studied heterosexual male undergraduate college students. The images the men viewed were intended to stimulate an emotional response. Erotic images were used to elicit a positive response, snakes and spiders to prompt a negative response, and office supplies to trigger a neutral response. ...
"If you go to the casinos, people are wearing skimpy costumes, they're giving you free alcohol, there are bells and lights and things like that, which don't necessarily seem related to the odds of the gambling," Knutson said. "But these are cues that might activate brain regions that encourage risk-taking and therefore get people to gamble more."
Don't forget the cheap food!

What the evidence points to is not some kind of evo psych excuse to put all the blame for male risk-taking on the shoulders of women for the high crime of existing, but something much more mundane than any one who likes to gamble could tell you -- gambling is fun. And anyone who's made a mistake ever could probably tell you that the promise of pleasure does have a capacity to overwhelm rational thought. You don't really need to introduce erotic pictures into the equation to demonstrate that gambling is risky precisely because the pleasure parts of the brain overrule the rational parts, which is why the cardinal rule of gambling is to bring no more money to the table than you're willing to lose, and to make that decision long before the excitement of gambling kicks in.

But what about the stockbroker they interviewed for the AP? Isn't he an expert in the link between sex and financial risk-taking?
The results of the study jibe with the real life on the trading floor, said Phil Flynn, a former Chicago commodities floor trader and current analyst at Alaron Trading Corp.
"I'm not shocked that it may be part of the deal," Flynn said Friday. "When you talk about all the euphemisms for trading (on the floor), they can be used for sex as well."
("Massaging the market" and "hardcore" were about the cleanest that he and his colleagues could come up with.)
He hasn't actually argued that men walk around sporting erections on the trading floor, mind you. What these quotes show is not that he and his colleagues conflate sex and trading so much as they are sexists who deliberately use sexualized language to send the message that theirs is a boys-only club and women are not welcome. Even if a woman is at ease with sexual frankness, she still won't be able to play along, because I'll bet most of the terms he's using are metaphors that put the trader or analyst in the position of a sexual penetrator, and women can't really claim to penetrate anything metaphorically without sounding a little stupid.

The researchers want to do more studies, and actually put women under the microscope. Want to bet that when they come up with evidence that women enjoy gambling, that won't get a shiny spot in the AP science reporting? I'm willing to take that one up, because even though I'm not a college age boy just exposed to pornography, I do like to gamble.

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Amanda Marcotte co-writes the popular blog Pandagon.


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Uhh...
Posted by: oregoncharles on Apr 9, 2008 8:52 AM   
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granted I haven't read the whole piece, which is just too silly, but the study report doesn't say it's due to "real women", but to PICTURES of them.

Or to be overly precise, to the same brain region that responds to sexual signals. I'm not sure that's a surprise; I'm also not sure you'd get a different result if you showed equivalent pictures to women. Actually, I'm pretty sure you'd get the same result.

We can speculate endlessly about that, as the researcher started to do, but it don't mean a thing if we don't get the basics right.

Ah, yes Mother's Milk and bad toliet training
Posted by: SackofWoe0 on Apr 9, 2008 9:08 AM   
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ok just get over it and keep on trucking Ladies, we know better now don't we.It's difficult as a female (which I am) to carry the weight of all the male decisions on our shoulders and backs. You wanna start with Bush and Cheney just for openers or was it their Mother's fault they declared war???????

EVE WAS FRAMED!!!!!!!
Posted by: magiquarian1969 on Apr 9, 2008 9:25 AM   
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My favorite bumper sticker of all time.

» Or, to put it another way... Posted by: HeroesAll
Yeah, Right!
Posted by: Ethical1 on Apr 9, 2008 9:25 AM   
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When I drive by a house where nobody's home and there's no one in sight at all and I see a big screen TV in the front yard just there for the taking, my first thought is to stop and load it in my car. But do I? NO!

Images trigger desires. It's human morality that stops us at the gates between right and wrong. Bottom line, these men did what they know to be wrong but they did it any way. In America they should be seen as criminals.

Clayton
Posted by: Clayton on Apr 9, 2008 9:50 AM   
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This article is a dumb rant based on a very basic ignorance of what constitutes scientific process. Correlation does not imply causality. For men sex and risk may be related, but one does not cause the other.

A feminist complaining about Psuedo-science?
Posted by: leta on Apr 11, 2008 12:40 AM   
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Anyone else see the irony?

Speaking of "getting stupid" . . .
Posted by: Rune on Apr 11, 2008 1:38 AM   
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"it turns out that the findings aren't so much that men get stupid when they see naked women -- making it easy to blame women for our current financial crisis -- but that once the pleasure parts of the brain are activated, people are more willing to engage in risky behavior."

Yes, and if you give the actual study a cursory glance, you will find that the subjects were not shown any images of "naked women," which renders this imaginative critique rather stupid. The images were of "erotic couples." So, I guess that means the secret ambition of the study was to blame public displays of affection for irrational financial decision making, although what the study actually says is:

"Incidental reward cues can influence financial risk taking, and may do so in part by activating the NAcc. From a financial standpoint, these results imply that anticipatory affect may alter the perception of rewards, and the tendency to weigh them against risks [7,22]. Thus, these findings may lead to methods of determining when persuasive appeals should and should not work – whether they appeal to passion or to reason."

Can there be any doubt of the misogynistic intent of this study? Well, if so, you can find it linked on the web page of the allegedly anti-female professor of finance, who happens to be a woman teaching future leaders of the financial industry at one of the top business schools in the world. Go ahead. I challenge anyone to find any evidence that Camelia Kuhnen has ever "conclude[d] that [. . .] women's sexuality is to blame for everything."

Stupid, indeed.

What the...???
Posted by: ankhet on Apr 11, 2008 2:19 AM   
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Ok, I'm a feminist from way back and this article, or better, rant, is completely off the mark. Those example studies do not conclude that all ills are the fault of women, but rather of men's reckless or confused decisions when their brains' pleasure centers are all excited. What I read in the examples is that the sight of a pretty woman or the excitement of a gamble or risk light up similar areas in the male brain. Nowhere do the examples quoted claim that anything is the fault of women.

Where's the beef? We already know that males' brains light up when confronted with danger and the prospect of sex. But to conclude that misogyny lies at the bottom of that observation is completely wrong. Men's trashing of all things feminine and female, and use of sexual language for everything under the sun has a different source - the same as referring to ships and other machinery as "she" - the Dominator Model that continues to screw up this planet, applied to every conceivable subject.

You blew it, girl! It's tough enough arguing for the dignity of women as a class without this kind of breath-takingly sloppy reasoning.

» RE: What the...??? Posted by: Q30
» RE: What the...??? Posted by: ankhet
Men lack control
Posted by: paulaH on Apr 11, 2008 4:24 AM   
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That's actually what I get out of the quoted material. Men are unable to control themselves sexually. When aroused--which is regularly--they simply can't be expected to make rational decisions.

My question is this: if this is the case, why in the HELL are men running this place? They say a woman couldn't be a good president because she is emotional during her monthly cycle. Well, at least that's only one week a month. Men get aroused every few minutes (or seconds, depending on which "experts" you go by), which means they make stupid decisions that often, at least according to this article.

Wouldn't we rather have someone that might make a stupid decision based on emotion for a few days a month as opposed to someone who does it based on sexual stupidity a few times an hour!

» RE: Men lack control Posted by: scheherezade
Please can't we do better than this
Posted by: PJT on Apr 11, 2008 4:26 AM   
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This has to be the stupidest article I have read on AlterNet in the past six months and there have been some real whoppers. OK there is a study that shows men take risks when they are sexually aroused. NO DUH!! What does this have to do with capitalism?

Maybe it would be easier if we could just blame women for everything, including the fact that most men don't grow up until they are at least fifty, that is, if they ever grow up. Then, at least, this kind of rant could be stopped.

Groundbreaking
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 11, 2008 4:40 AM   
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So...they did a study to figure out that men throw money around when they see erotic pictures?...Ya think?

All this study proves is that the people who did the study need to get out of the lab once in a while.

People seriously need to improve their critical thinking skills
Posted by: jszymkowski on Apr 11, 2008 5:03 AM   
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This study only makes a statistical connection between the effects of visual input and risk taking vs. brain stimulation. Anyone who wants to debate the accuracy of the data should do so in scientific terms if they want to be treated seriously.

The idea that the study blames the wrong doings of men on women is preposterous.

Can You Imagine the Strain...
Posted by: grumble-bum on Apr 11, 2008 5:42 AM   
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... Of being forced to jump to angry, false conclusions such as those found in this article, every day, for a living?

It must be positively exhausting to be constantly taking information that ably points out that we men are sometimes kinda dumb & excitable, & then torturing it until it supposedly shows a sinister, gender-wide Evil Male plot for further oppression.

& to think that we somehow pulled that off, what with all the naughty images bombarding us, not to mention the myriad stupid, hateful pies we've got fingers in at any given moment!

So, I'd like to take a moment to ask all my fellow male-people to pause in our endless mono-syllabic grunting, risk-taking, bodily fluid-flinging, & blame-gaming, to tip our collective hats to those who toil so ceaselessly to prop up the fiction that we still control everything under the sun (when not driven completely out of control by simple pictures of ladies).

Those of you attacking the article are missing the point
Posted by: stopimperialism on Apr 11, 2008 5:53 AM   
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The author's (excellent) point is that this "scientific" study is structured by patriarchal assumptions. So the scientists are only interested in women as objects that tempt men into risky behavior (that's why they are compared to other temptations, like chocolate), not as people who could possibly have their own desires (that's why the study does not even look at women's desire). The scientists are not interested in the effect this objectification has on women (the way it might lead to discrimination, sexual violence, etc.), nor are they interested in interrogating this "boys will be boys" ethos that allows men to absolve themselves of not only risky but violent behavior because it's somehow biologically programmed into them. So by assuming that men's idiocy and violence is natural, then looking for external causes, this study lets them off the hook.

Finally, the fact that the study's author is a woman in no way mitigates the writer's point, that the study is governed by misogynist assumptions. Women can enforce patriarchy too.

» Hee-hee Posted by: Q30
Hey, who giggled at this shoddy screed?
Posted by: Q30 on Apr 11, 2008 6:02 AM   
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Oops, that was me.

Reactionary
Posted by: gearcake on Apr 11, 2008 6:18 AM   
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From one sensationalist study comes an equally sensationalist article. Lift yo' game.

This article forgot to mention overcompensation for having a small penis?
Posted by: MikeOckhurtz on Apr 11, 2008 6:22 AM   
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Obviously Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell and all of the Izraelis who've infiltrated our government have small penises and are compensating for their lack of girth and length by plunging the world into submission by dropping huge erect bombs all over Mother Earth in an Oedipal orgy even Caligula would not have imagined.

The only way to save the planet is to elect Barack because we all know black men are hung. He won't have the need to fuck the world because you know he's got everything firmly in hand. Of course, there's no telling how big Hillary is. We should ask a psychic.

We just need to stop all this nasty sex!
Posted by: steven w on Apr 11, 2008 6:53 AM   
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It is the root of all evil. We MUST learn to hate it. Do not even flirt. Ask God to take away all your sexual urges if your prescribed pills are not taking the urges for you. And if they are not, get more pills until you do not have these sinful perverted desires. We are all gonna go to hell or prison unless we just stick to porno and leave each other alone. Thank God baggy clothes are in style. Thank God it is no longer cool for young women to date older men. And if we can get women to hate sex even more, we are well on our way to a more perfect society. We will consume even more which would be a big shot in the arm for our economy.

It's a blog post
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Apr 11, 2008 7:13 AM   
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Amanda's taking a beating here because this is a blog post that got promoted to the front page and it's being judged by the standards of a feature article. It's not -- it's just a brief commentary on a study that's flying around out there, and wasn't intended to be a deep analysis.

It's our fault -- we need to better differentiate blog-posts that are added to the front from features.